Tire problem

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K i dono if ive told everyone or not, but i wrecked my car. both tires on the passanger side went flat in the wreck, and just outa luck a couple months before i bought a set of 96 camaro wheels and tires that are new and will slip right on. But the problem is that my car has 245/60/16 which came out stock on the v8's. The camaro wheels are 225/60/16 which came out stock on the v6's. (To my knoledge which is extreamly limited). So i have 4 good firebird wheels with two good 245's on em and 4 good camaro wheels with 4 good 225's on em. Should i put all the camaro wheels on wit tires, or put the two good 245's on back and 225's on frount or what combonation should i use, becuase if the 225's are two small for the car i dont wana have them fried off in a week. THanks!

And oh yea one of my friends has an old caddy with a big block in it and she said i could have the engine if i would get the shit outa her yard, so im thinkin of maybe starting a project. Any suggestions on what i should do?

posted by  83transam

First off, your wheels aren't "225/60/16" (The camaro wheels are 225/60/16), the tires are. The crux of the matter is determining what size the wheels you want to use are and then figuring out if the tires will fit on them safely. This is what I would do. There is so little difference in width between the 225's and the 245's that the wheels are probably the same width. Certainly not more than 1/2" diference. I'd pick out the set of wheels I wanted to use and mount two with 225's and two with 245's. Then you'll have the classic big and little look, no matter how slight it may be. The only problem may come if you have four wheel ABS. It's hard to tell because you didn't bother with that one tiny bit of info that helps so much. Year, make and model.

As for the Caddy question, it's pretty much the same problem. Not enough info.

posted by  vwhobo

I know i ment the tires i just called em wheels cuz i was thinkin fast, i thought id told everyone i got a 1994 firebird formula with the lt1, Yes i have 4 wheel ABS and both wheels are stock, i didnt know if the bigger tires will fit on the camaro wheels which have smaller tires or vise versa.

I dono what size the engine is in the caddy thats why i didnt say but i think they all have the same big block and its the big block. Its all stock though. For seggestions i ment do people think i could make sum money by buyying an old muscle car and w/o an engine and put it in and sell. Or buy one and keep it and race it. I dont really know THats why im open for ideas so i can have an idea of what to do. But thats all the info i have BB Early Caddy engine thinkin its a 472 or summin not really sure so dont bitch at me if im wrong.

posted by  83transam

Yeah, wheels and tires have so many of the same letters it's easy to get confused. BTW, just so you know, not everyone on this forum finds your personal life to be so intersting as to remember if or when you mentioned what kind of car you own. Last I checked there's about 12,000 members on this site and it gets a tad confusing.

With four wheel ABS you may or may not be able to get away with the difference in tire size. First you need to figure out what the difference in circumference is and go from there. You can do the numbers, that's not my job either. When you figure it out,I'll tell you if you can get away with it.

Once again, as far as the Cadillac goes, without sufficient info, there's no reason to even venture a guess. And while you're at it you might want to check your attitude at the door and try typing English instead of whatever you're using.

posted by  vwhobo

Dammit, I forgot this in both posts. I want you to take a picture of your 245/60-16's and post it in this thread. I'll bet you dollars to donuts that you don't have 245/60-16's on anything. How lucky do you feel?

posted by  vwhobo

Ok listin im not trying to be a dick, actually i am in a good mood. You sound like you need to check your attatude. The caddy ? was OPEN FOR ****ING IDEAS which means throw out a random suggestion ( i think it would be cool to buy a 68 camaro and put it in there and fix it up) for example. The Tires are EXACTLY the same just one is not as wide same wall heighth same wheel size, just different widths. A possible answer could be Yes You can Put 225/60/16's on the back with the camaro wheels and it will work just fine, the differences in size is so little that they wont spin out to easy since they are not as wide. Do you see the point of the question ??????????? i dont want an aswer of NOONE CARES ABOUT YOUR PESONAL LIFE, CHECK YOUR ATTUDE, NOT ENOUGH INFO EVEN THOUGH ITS OPEN TO ****ING SUGGESTIONS :banghead:

posted by  83transam

Why the hell would i not have 245 60 16's thats what came out stock you smart shit? Wait its 50 not 60 my mistake but still what diffrence would it have made?

posted by  83transam

Okay, listen to me very carefully. A 225/60-16 and a 245/60-16 are different widths AND different heights, which means the circumference will be different. That is assuming that you have 245/60-16's, which you almost absolutely don't. You can prove your tire size with a picture. You can prove that you have at least half a functioning brain by listening to what I'm saying and learning.

As for your Cadillac angine, get this through your head. Without knowing what engine it is, it's really hard to give you any realistic ideas what to do with it, although I'm about two seconds away from sugesting you stick it up your ass.

You may not be trying to be a dick, but you're doing a good job of it anyway. A stupid dick at that. How this conversation, and the information you receive from here out, is entirely up to you. So, do you want to be an ignorant f*ck, or learn something instead? The choice is yours.

posted by  vwhobo

You call me a name and still want help in the same post? Amazing. At least you've displayed the ability to admit you're wrong, so there's hope for you yet. Read the other post and get on the stick.

posted by  vwhobo

OK since im an ignornt ****. WHy the Hell is a 245 which is width 50 which is heighth and 16 which is the inner wheel be different cicumfeneces than a 225 50 16 when the only diffence is the width? tell me why in a sinceable mannor and i will admit you are right. its a simple ?. as for the Caddy THEY ONLY MADE ONE MOTHER ****ING BIG BLOCK AND THATS WHAT IT ****ING IS. like for instance the sun is yellow- me not enough info cuz i dont know which sun it is - you

ANd please tell me i dont under stand why can i not have a 245 60 16?

posted by  83transam

b/c 50 is the aspect ratio, meaning the sidewall height is 50% of 225 and 245, respectively. so caddy has only made one big block for all these years? you shouldn't have any problem identifying it for us, then... :thumbs:

posted by  dodger65

I'll keep this simple for you.

1. You made the statement that the tires are the same height. That means you get to justify your statement to me first. Then I might spend the time to educate you.

2. Are you sure about that? I mean really? Tell me which years and models have the small journal cast crank and which ones have the large journal forged crank. You seem to be full of knowledge, share it.

3. Find me a link to anybody, anywhere that sells 245/60-16's. Any online business will do. Really, any, go ahead and try.

posted by  vwhobo

Ya know, it makes for a much better learning environment whan people have to work for it. Spoonfeeding is for pussies, and that's just what you did. Thanks a lot. :banghead:

posted by  vwhobo

sorry, i'll leave... :doh:

posted by  dodger65

Well i thank you very much You actually answered one of my questions nicly and i understand it so thank you, as for the caddy ? its older i said i thought it is a 472 and they only made one big block (TO THE BEST OF MY KNOLEDGE WHICH IS EXTREALLY LIMITED) and i also said i wasnt sure so dont bitch me out if im wrong

Im serriously not trying to be a dick if i am then sorry just tell me what i should do, explain the reason and thats all im asking for. I said i dont know everything so dont say i did thats the point in being in here is learning and asking qeustions and if your wrong than be corrected not critisized. And summin else when it comes to the engine of my car, dont ask me who knows more because unless you know everything than dont bother making yourself look stupid.

posted by  83transam

Did he really? Then it shouldn't be too much trouble for you to determine the circumference of each tire. What is it? That's the only way to know if you can make it work.

posted by  vwhobo

The only Cadillac big blocks I can think of are the 425, 472 and 500, there may be more (and honestly, I'm not sure if the 425 is considered a Big Block).
Oh, I forgot the 429 (made from the 390)... would a 390 count as one?

posted by  car_crazy89

I'll re-respond because you've edited your post. I don't know anything about the "engine of your car" and never pretended to because you don't even have enough information to tell us what it is. Don't get mad at me because you're unable to provide required information. And if the point of coming here is learning, then why are you fighting it so hard. I tried to provide you with quality information and am still willing to help but you threw up every obstacle that you could.

So how's your tire math coming? I don't have all night.

posted by  vwhobo

the tires then are 225-50-16, 245-50-16 i was wrong about the size i admit it, i dont know how to calculated it or w/e but thanx to the dodge dude i understand why i was wrong and learned something so far i havent learned anything from you so you can help me if you want or not.

and yet agin it doesnt matter the size of the damn engine in the caddy, let me refraze the question in Your own opinion if you were given a BB caddy motor not knowing the size or anything, what would be your first thought of what you would do to it, excuiding finding out the size of it cuz thats apparent i mean would ya find a body to put it in? if so what kinda car be creative would you sell it, melt it? blow it up? burry it in a hole for future kids with metal detectors to find?

posted by  83transam

Hey 83transam, do you only get the engine or can you have the car too? If it was the whole car then it'd be a good demo car (maybe endurance car)... otherwise could find an old caddy without and engine for cheap, throw it in and either sell or race/derby it.

posted by  car_crazy89

here are the specs to my car-
350 cubic inches, 5733 cubic centimeters, 5.7 liters, cast iron block, 2 bolt centers and ends
stroke: 3.48" bore:4.00" comp ratio:10:4:1 combustion chambers:54 cc Factory redline is 5700 rpms, pistons are eutectic aluminum/silicon alloy
conecting rod Mat. is powdered metal
crankshaft is cast iron
cylinder heads are cast aluminum with 2 valves per cylinder ( total of 16 vavles 212 CFM flow
Valve diameter is 1.94 intake 1.5 exhaust valve overlag is 41
vavle springs: 85 lbs seated
camshaft: 205/207 duration at 50,.447/.459" lift, 117 lobe seperation angle
rocker arms-1:5:1 stamped steel timing chain: powdered metal butt link.
fuel delivery EFI sequential port
injector size is 3 gps, 24 lbs/hr mass aiflow
48 mm twin butterfly
aluminum intake manifold

posted by  83transam

i get the whole thing...that would be damn fun all it needs are tires and one wheel is bent but other than that its just what time has done to it. I dont know if there are any demos around here or not but that would be cool shit

posted by  83transam

Tire Circumference - example tire 195/60-14

195/25.4=7.68 tire width in inches
7.68*.60=4.61 sidewall height in inches
(4.61*2)+14=23.22 tire diameter in inches
23.22*3.14=72.91 tire circumference in inches
.

Without knowing what engine it is, it's impossible to say. A Cad engine might be able to be a good street engine, or it may be junk. It all depends.

posted by  vwhobo

Ok i see now thank you, so the circumference of the 225's would be smaller? I think the caddy engine is a 472 i wouldnt bet my life on it but i would bet alot. I was thinkin about buying an engin stand and rebuilding it into summin really badass and then buying like an old vette body to put it in. But i also think the idea of demo durby is pretty baddass to cuz i like terring things up

posted by  83transam

Plus, you may get lucky and be able to reuse the engine afterwards.

posted by  car_crazy89

The last 472 I built went into an '82ish ElCamino backed up with a 200R4 and an mini-spooled 8.5" 10 bolt. The guy I sold it to still drives it to work every day and races it at least twice a month. In the last four years I don't think he's even changed the plugs and it'll still turn the tires into a puddle of black goo anytime.

Oh yeah, better check your math again.

posted by  vwhobo

yea its a 70's model...oh do the 225 have a bigger circumfrense?

posted by  83transam

Math. It's all in the math, or do I need to revisit my statement about spoonfeeding?

posted by  vwhobo

kk i got 80.28" for the 245
and 77.30" for the 225 so the 225 are smaller around and that would throw shit off right?

posted by  83transam

Pay attention to the tire sizes and the numbers you're plugging into the equation. You have the 245 right, but the 225 is way off.

Good night!

posted by  vwhobo

i tried agin and got 77.33

posted by  83transam

post how you're coming up w/ that (like he did w/ the 195/60/14's... i'm coming up w/ a different #...

posted by  dodger65

225/25.4=8.85
8.85*.60=5.31
5.31*2+14=24.62
24.62*3.14=77.30


The 8.85 went on forever so i rounded to hundreths when i didnt round i got 77.33

posted by  83transam

your formula was for a 225/60/14.....

225/25.4=8.86
8.86*.60=5.31
5.32*2+16=26.64
26.64*3.14=83.64

that's for a 225/60/16. for a 50 series tire, it would be closer, so see what they really are....

posted by  dodger65

Oh i c i got 80.52 when i did it like that with a 245/50/16

posted by  83transam

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