Looks like the retro look car will be released next year:
Aww...I thought you meant 2007 lol...I guess 2008 isn't too bad. I can't wait for it.
Saleen announced in a recent press release that they will be working with GM and the Camaro to make a Saleen camaro they also said that the V8 would be a 420 or 430 hp engine. OHH yes. The new maro will be a hell of a street brawler and its gonna whoop the mustang.
I don't like the styling. It's strange, kind of like the new mustangs. Just
the dimensions are odd.
I don't even see how that looks like a camaro in any way.
It'd be cool when it comes out, though.
Oh yeah and they need to give it a unique camaro emblem and ditch the chevy one. That'd make a big difference I think.
Meh... seeing as how its suppose to be 4000+lbs and around 350 hp... it'll prolly be the same margin as years before...
The Camaro already has it's own. I'm too lazy to upload it, but you can google it.
I know it does. But that pic has the chevy symbol on it.
will it be sold in the uk? maybe as the new vauxhall monaro?:laughing:
Did you read what I wrote? haha. Saleen said that the Camaro will have a 420 or 430 hp engine. Not the Saleen camaro the GM one.
Why, will you be buying one? lol jk. Looks lovely....:drool:
Yeah you said that saleen said the Camaro will have a 420 to 430hp V8? How does that NOT sound like you are referring to a saleen Camaro? And where did you read this? Call me dumb but I highly doubt the Camaro will come out with more than 400hp MAX because if it did adn saleen came out with a version it would be competing with the Corvette.... for some reasno I don't think that is in their best interest? :screwy:
Maybe...It's like $30,000 I think. How much prostitution could that take? :laughing:
Quite a bit more than someone of your... *ahem* "Size" could muster... :laughing:
I wear size 12 shoes. You know what they say about guys with size 12 shoes lol...And besides, I've got a program that'll either help me...or make me go blind :laughing: JP.
Blind more than likely....:ohcrap:
I wear 16 shoes. I used to wear 17s but yeah my feet shrunk :(
I wouldn't be surprised if they released a 500+hp version to compete with the shelby gt500
Btw, this is off topic but I have to ask: Does anyone think chevy styling has gone way down the shitter? I mean wtf is this
That has to be the ugliest thing I've seen in a while, no matter which angle you see it from.
They almost got this one right until they got to designing its ass
And there is just no excuse for this
WHAT THE **** IS THIS THING ANYWAYS????
It's like a truck-shaped convertible...I know it is one of their "high end" models but god damn, who came up with that? A truck is a truck and has its intended purposes, a sports car convertible is what it is and has its intended purposes. Who thought it'd be a good idea to combine the two? I haven't seen too many of 'em thank god.
How can you fit 16 shoes on only 2 feet? :doh:
Cause they're so big it takes 16 shoes woven together to suit them each.
But yeah they're size 16...american.
How tall are you? lol...That's almost a foot and a half long!
Then you go and read this:
I really like the idea behind it :wink2:
i cant wait to see the transam come out after the camaro... i guess its coming out a couple years after... thatle be something else
I dislike the Camaro's and Challenger's wheel/rim setup. But that can be fixed quite easily, but might leave the wheelwells looking a bit empty.:2cents:
I'd rather not call you dumb and just simply present you with some factual
Not saying official talk, but that is Steve Saleen talking. Take it as you wish and research the subject.
I hate chevies. And I must admit that is one of the most incredibly badass cars I have ever seen, and if I had enough money I'd buy one in a second. I wouldn't care if it broke down every friggin' day, just to be seen in a car like that would be worth it.
I kinda like the SSR too. It's dinstinctive, you can say that for it.
My beef with Chevy is not so much that their styling is bad but that their engines suck and their cars break down constantly.
abit like GM's European Vauxhall!
i like the pic of that ssr thibg with its roof up, nice colour combination too!
whats the first Chevy pic of?
but i do like this....http://www.bigtex.com/img/2005/auto/auto_chevy_hhr.jpg
what is it?
You should really do some research before you make such general statements
like this. I understand you drove a shitty cavavlier that always broke
down. But dont make general statements about all chevys when you drove the
next step above an aveo and also one of the worse performin chevys.
Ever heard of the LSx series engine toted as some of the best V8s every built. Take the LS7 for one. A 7 Litre V8 that revs to 7K rpms and makes 505hp and 470 ft-lbs of torque. Has a dry sump lubricating system. 6-Bolt Mains. The LS7 heads flow over 360 CFM and have 2.20 intake valves. The C6 Z06, the only car this engine is in, avoids the gas guzzler tax. And a TON of other high tech parts.
Also the S/C 2.0L in the Cobalt is a great engine. they have been puttin down (at the wheels)completely stock more power than they are rated at from the factory. Sure they have a weak link, the head gasket. But most engines do have a weak link. Change out the head gasket and CRANK the boost. They are making some awesome power with this little engine.
I have an old Chevy engine, the LT1. and this thing hasnt given me any problems. I hurt the tranny racing but the engine just keeps on chuggin. It makes great low end torque but doesnt mind revving to 6K.
You should probably do a little more resarch on the Chevrolet engines.
That is the HHR
Personally I love where GM styling is going.
I love the new look of cadillacs.
Look at the Solstice/Sky.
G6 is also a pretty sleek lookin cr especially for like 17k.
The new vette is gorgeous
I also really like what they did with the silverado/tahoe/suburban.
I see, well I stand corrected then, everything I had been hearing from Motor Trend and other sources said that 400hp would be the premium, just as well had Enthusiast sited that I wouldn't have questioned it so much. 600HP Saleen camaro, thats nuts. Won't be near as light as the Corvette but I dare say it would overtaked a Z06 easily.
i think the new HHR looks like a bigger PT cruiser... which already = YYYUUUCK
Oh no! Doing research before you make opinions. Oh my gosh, you can't
contradict HIS opinion with facts. Thats what he believes so he's entitled
to it. Surely you "Mr. My opinion entitles me to believe false information
is true" can not disagree with that.
He thinks all Chevy's suck because the one he had broke down and it didn't make any power, so they ALL suck regardless to any relevant proof you have. An apparently his opinion (although based off a few rare occurrences) is very valid.
I find it incredibly odd that you of all people, after bitching that you're entitled to your invalid opinion because you believe it to be true, are telling someone else that they have not done the proper research to have faith within their own opinion. I have one word for you. "Hypocrite"
I wouldn't agree that everything he is saying is true. After all GM can at anytime scrap the motor specs and change it to something else, and they have been known to do this. These are also cars that are coming out in 3 years. A lot production can be done between now and 2009, so I wouldn't rule out the 400-450HP premium SS Camaro.
Well, I'm glad someone likes them. Wait, no I'm not, because then chevy
will continue to make them!
Can someone at least agree that the malibu maxx is ugly as shit?
Yes the corvette looks great. The sky looks good, but it needs a special sky badge instead of a saturn badge.
Is the HHR supposed to be "retro" styled?
Your right. He said he didn't like them, thats his opinion and he is
entitled to it. About them breaking is mostly what got me started because
saying all chevys break is the equivalent of saying all Hondas are slow,
which is just stupid.
And also I dont remember when I referred to something as sucking I merely stated what I would prefer but never discrediting the other. For example.
I said "I hate OBDII" and gave my reasons why but never discrediting its superiority, not "OBDII sucks"
I said "I would rather it be RWD" not "AWD sucks" which would have been a retarded statement.
These are soley preferences
HE said "their engines suck", not Id rather have a mopar or HEMI motor in there.
the malibu looks absolutly discusting. as for the sky, theyre actually prety nice. i also like the solstice (which is the same car). i actually sold my mother one. then we realized how impractical they actually are... not a dail driver car by any means...
Yeah almost as stupid as say. "I think my Evo Rally Car should be RWD"
because I'm an uninformed person who thinks RWD is the end all of car
Almost as stupid as saying "I hate OBDII becuase I can't tune it"
There is no difference. And you're still trying to find ways to weasel out of the fact that you've made some pretty invalid opinions. Don't contort words, or try and attempt to use wordplay. He said Chevy's suck, so by your standards his opinion is correct and does not need your information to render it in any shape or form.
Haha Your funny. You say Im the one contorting worlds but you clearly your
quotes are the words that clearly been contorted.
You say I said I thought my EVO rally car should be RWD. haha If you actually go back and read what I wrote you would see I actually said I wouldnt be rallying the car and I rarely have to drive in foul weather so I deemed the AWD extra in my case. I know that if your rallying a AWD car is your best friend.
I said I hated OBDII because when I am tuning it im always worried my computer is going to freeze, fry my PCM and then put my Daily Driver down until I can get another PCM. Good try though:thumbs:
it's a 5 door hatchback, and very practical. Practical cars are often not
swoopy style leaders, and they don't have to be.
Yes. It was designed by Brian Nesbitt under Bob Lutz at GM. Same team that brought us the PT Cruiser while at Chrysler, except that instead of being patterned after a generic '30s Ford, the HHR is patterned after the '50 chevy Suburban. Like the PT, it's a great use of space inside, comfortable to be in, and yet economical. I almost replaced my PT with one late last year, but got the Range Rover instead.
I actually miss that PT. Great general purpose car.
5 door hatchbacks are not all style leaders, but they're not all "ugly as shit", either. escorts, chevettes, they had 5 doors. not pretty, but not ugly like the maxx... it's too bad the maxx isn't at least "aesthetically neutral":wink2: :laughing:
I'm sorry. I don't like Chevy's. The only Chevy I ever liked is my W/T,
which does break down more than my Neon, but I still like it. It's got
Now if only you could take a W/T and make it run like a Dodge ...
Ok I know that, but this one in particular is ugly, even amongst other 5
Especially that part of the ass that sticks out, like it's half way between a hatchback and a sedan..
I believe that would be the point...
I like that part. I like the boxy styling of everything but the grille, but I'd probably want to customize it anyhow.
The point? No. There is no point. It's ugly as **** and serves no
And chrisv the grille is the main thing that caused me to criticize chevy styling...!
Me thinks somebody has been adopting a slightly arrogant attitude lately....Just an observation...:thumbs:
Sorry. Just I am conditioned to react defensively to certain people on these forums.
I believe what you "should" be saying is that you are conditioning yourself
to react defensively to people who present you with facts and logical
thinking as opposed to your biased and uneducated ways of thinking.
For example: you've never designed a car nor have you been educated on how TO design one. What makes your opinion of a particular piece of body styling somehow more valid than someone who has relevant experience or someone who has been educated on automotive styling?
Sorry, I must chime in on the 5 door hatchback thing. Form following
function doesn't have to be an ugly thing...
Technically this was a 5 door hatchback (although it didn't really resemble one untill you put your groceries in it...
I for one actually liked the HHR. It's mostly because I was able to pinpoint what retro car they had in mind while developing it. We had one pull in at work some time ago, a white one. It looked awesome. It was lowered, with 18's, and fog lights.
*edit* OK, so maybe the subbies are more wagon than hatchbacks but they still have 5 doors and they still look great!
Cars are designed to be aesthetically pleasing. My post said, "it's ugly".
Where were your "facts" and "logic" to defend its design?
You had NONE.
All you could say was, "IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THAT LOLZ" <<< I guess that's the best you can do in the "fact" department, eh, little kid?
No shit it's supposed to be like that. I'm sure they didn't design it like that by accident. I said it's ugly as shit. Bottom line.
Man you are really bad at arguing. I hope you never become a lawyer.
Back on topic...
Here's a good gallery of the camaro, and a bit of info on it.
No, It's "Ugly as shit" in YOUR opinion. Not bottom line....:thumbs:
The bottom line of the what I said is that it's ugly as shit, in MY
Why is that so hard to swallow for you?
Jeeze clifford, you take me the wrong way sometimes.
If you stated that clearly in th first place, we wouldn't have this letdown in communication. A bit like you trying to explain how to change gear, lol.....:laughing:
Bah **** you clifford. What do you know anyways!!!
:orglaugh: That's sig worthy...
I'll take that as a statement that was intended as it sounded, as you didn't use any smillies that suggested you were using humour/sarcasm. I'll let it go this time, as I try not to let teenagers with a year or so's driving experience get to me...:thumbs:
Clifford WHAT IS UP YOUR BUTT HOLE, MAN? (don't tell me, I don't really
wanna know!) I was joking, that's why I put the exclamations, and didn't
even choose to respond to what you said, because I didn't think we were
being serious with one another.
Stop being a woman. It's making us all look bad :oops:
EDIT: And I thought you'd know it was a joke cause I called you clifford!
In that case I appologise. You must be able to see how it looked from my
point of view though. Exclaimation marks simply make you look more
By the way, you didn't have to edit the word 'ass'...I wouldn't have told you off, lol
I thought saying ass made me sound more like an ass which is what I wanted
to avoid lol
You're my only true love on these forums. Don't break my heart so often. :asshake: :confused:
True brit was my other love but he's not man enough for me
Ok darlin'.....Sorry :laughing:
You may be lucky:
anyway elchango36, the Subaru Impreza and Legacy arnt classed as hatchbacks (not here anyway) teyre classed as estates (station wagon i think?)
We just call them hatchbacks. We call what you would call hatchbacks "hatchback coupes."
I'm pretty sure we call them wagons...I think a hatchback is more
And also hatchbacks have a hatch door whereas wagons have a trunk gate.
It's a little different I guess.
as we can prove, there are lots of meanings where ever you are!
like a 'hot hatch' would be a Civic Typre R or Vauxhall Astra VXR (basically, a performance hatch)
a 'hatchback' would be anything between a mazda 3,
ford focus, vauxhall vectra
estates would be anything with a tailgate
There was a time when the Vectra, Mondeo, or similar cars were called Fastbacks over here, lol. I guess it was because they were bigger than the standard size hatchback?
there was the V6ST Mondeo and the SRiV6 Vectra if thats what you're thinking???
Oh yeah I forgot about fastbacks!
They better alow me to get this car as a stripper so its not so damn heavy
as in power nothing and a few things deleted.
So did you guys hear the announcement about the camaro convertible aparently there are some pics and the production car will actually come with some 20s and 21s just like it was showed with which is strange cause itll have bigger wheels than the vette (according to the press release.)
good news, I cant wait to see the production version
If you guys re-read my original post, I stated that even though the Subbies were not hatchbacks, they had the shape and opening tailgate and they look fantastic. Oh and true_brit is correct, we call them station wagons.
looking at this pic, dont like how the grille goes into a steeper arrow than the bonnet and front bodywork!
but i do like the orange and black!
Nope. I was refering to those models in general, lol
oh, thats what i was thinking anyway!
Doesn't even look like the camaro its representing, but I like it.
the new camaro looks bad ass the coupe look so much better tho
I think that's the point. Like the new Mustang, it's a blend of a number of older forms, with distinctly modern and unique surfacing and styling cues. It's not a replica of any particular Camaro, unlike, say, the Challenger.
I thought it was repping the 69 camaro.
I think the mustang definitely looks a lot like the old mustangs.
In both cases, not a particular year, simply an era. The Camaro has
elements of the '67 and '69, as well as modern elements, like the scoop,
lights, fender flares, proportions, etc. The Mustang has elements of the
'65, '67, and '70, but completely modern surfacing and detailing. The
Challenger is like an actual '70 Challenger that's been cleaned
I like all of them, of course. ;)
Sounds about the same to me.
Also you say the new camaro has elements of both the 67 and 69. Not tryin to be a dick, im just askin a question. Would you point out a styling cue that is from the 67 and not the 69. I was always under the impression that about the only difference was the addition of side markers, addition of the body crease and slighty revised rear taillamps, but then again Ive never been a fan of the 69 maro.
The sides of the '67 do not have the sweeps off the tops of the wheelwells,
and they have a decidedly pinched lower bodyline under the doors. The new
camaro has those side details, unlike the '69. The grille, however, is
aping the '69s that angles back at a different rake than the leading edge
of the hood and had teh headlights inset.
See the difference?
Notice the pinched doors and the round fenderwells. That's '67-68. The grille is '69, as are the slits ahead of the rear wheel, and the taillights are unique to the concept ( but separated more like the '2nd gen started out with: )
I am using the same approach with the GTO that I am rendering in photoshop. A blend of the mid to late 60s goats (or GTO models)