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We need an American car to beat the crap out of the imports at their own game
Although the Mustang, Camaro, and Firebird are good, theyre in a completely different class :banghead:
Dodge is doing a good job with the SRT-4 though :clap:
The current Cavaliers, Neons, and Focuses won't cut it
GM should scrap the Sunfire and bring out a new Cavalier with a V6 :hi:
Ford should put the Focus with a V8 crammed into the front into production
Dodge should expand on the SRT-4 concept

Pontiac should have left the Fiero in production with a V8 the engine compartments crammed but the Fiero really goes
and besides it had the looks

posted by  nitehawk_87

what about the cobolt, z06, viper

posted by  importluva

the V8 wont fit in a focus, besides which you dont want another muscle car you want a AWD sports car, the focus could be a good place to start. If i may be so bold. The jag x type, i think you have those, is 4x4 and the 3 litre duratec sport is 236bhp so its certainly got the makings of a sports car. all the runing gear should fit in a focus, unless you can live with a jag. Its velatively tuneableprobibly get about 300bhp out of it then a bottle of nitros. lighten it what do you think?

posted by  cinqyg

The Focus is soon to be offered with a V8 conversion in the States, It'll cost about $11,000 though, but with RWD and a 4.6litre V8 ya cant go wrong...so I gues that means, with a little bit of modding and some shoehorning lol, a V8 will fit in the Focus! :ticking: :thumbs:

posted by  Cliffy

still wont be AWD, which is 1/2 the problem, they need to improve the balence of the car, with that V8 in the front it will behave like a truck, weigh in the front, drive in the back, wheel spin city.

posted by  cinqyg

It's all good really though, that shouldn't be a problem, most RWD cars have that set up, evern with large engines! :ticking:

posted by  Cliffy

well, the Cobalt I wouldnt count quite yet...

but yes, the viper and the new 'vette, and maybe even the new mustang are certainly import-killers IMO.

posted by  SuperJew

most of them arnt designed as front wheel drive to start with, the engine will probibly end up infront of the front axle. thats never good

posted by  cinqyg

Again, take a Mustang and go aftermarket shopping. It really is no different than what you would do to a burner, only its an American car.

posted by  Voda48

You cant beat em at this rate... :2cents: :2cents: :2cents:
CANT GET MAD!! I USED THE :2cents: OPINION THINGY!

posted by  StiMan

First of all cliffys right about the V8
ive seen pics of one modified with a V8 thrown in the front
its sweet although cinqygs probably right about poor handling
it could do some awesome drifting in a parking lot though
cuz theres no walls to hit :thumbs: when u slide way beyond your control
the other thing is that the mustang and especially the z06 and viper are in a completely different class than a civic
although the mustang is around the same class as a prelude or sumthing
(i dont know my jap cars too well)

posted by  nitehawk_87

so this stock V8 focus, were do you think it will compare to a stock rice car?

Civic type R
MR2
scooby
skyline
NSX

??

posted by  cinqyg

The Focus wont be stock...hence why you have to spend an extra 11 grand on it, also, the V8 will weigh soooo much that the handling will be evened out! :thumbs:

posted by  Cliffy

isnt the cobolt the 'new' cavalier?

posted by  importluva

The V8 focus was developed by Kugel Komponents, a street rod manufacturer, and sold through Ford Racing. You can buy turn key verions for stupid money, or just buy the BOLT IN kit. they have kits for both the older 5.0 and the 4.6 Cobra engine.

Oh, and it actually HELPS the Focus handling becuae the car is less nose heavy than stock. What's that? Yup. Less nose heavy than stock.

How? Well, I'll tell you how.

The stock Focus has a transverse 4 cyl that weighs about 300 lbs. This engine sits entirely ahead of the front wheel centerline. the transaxle is directly OVER the centerline of the wheels. This means that almost 400 lbs of drivetrain weight are carried ahead of or on top of the front wheels, giving the whole car a 65% front weight bias. This is the same whether the car is FWD or AWD (as in the Euro RS).

The V8 version caries a 400-500 lb engine and a 150 lb transmission. But, the engine sits barely over the front wheels, and the transmission STARTS back at the firewall, and goes rearward. This means that at least half of the engine transmission package mass is carried rearward. In fact, the total weight on teh front wheels is reduced by around 100 lbs. At the rear, teh mass is increased by the rest of the difference. So, even though the total weight goes up by about 200 lbs, the balance is shifted rearward so it's actually at 55% in front. Since total weight is kept around 2600 lbs with the 5.0, it's actually rather light and powerful. the 4.6 liter version hits almost 2900 lbs, but that's still quite a bit lighter than a Cobra...

http://www.kugelkomponents.com/focus/focus.html

http://www.theracingreport.com/gallery/display.cfm?ID=1417

http://www.ford-v8-focus.com/

posted by  ChrisV

yeah..its spelled "Cobalt"...here's a pic of the coupe..

http://www.chevrolet.com/cobalt/images/gallery/Exterior/popup_ext_gallery02 .jpg

and here's one of the sedan...

http://www.chevrolet.com/cobalt/images/gallery/Exterior/popup_ext_gallery03 .jpg

theres multiple models...here's the official page from Chevy. http://www.chevrolet.com/cobalt/index.htm

posted by  SuperJew

I just cant see a V8 in a Focus...

posted by  StiMan

...what I like to call THE ultimate sleeper. :rock:

posted by  SuperJew

Boy would I have some fun with that on the round-a-bouts lol :hi:

posted by  Cliffy

Yes... I believe that Focuses are pretty pathetic little cars... :2cents:

posted by  StiMan

as do I...and even the SVT only has 170 hp. a damn shame.

posted by  SuperJew

I'm assuming what you call the SVT is what we call the ST170?....Even the RS was a disappointment.....TORQUE STEER :banghead: :banghead:

posted by  Cliffy

yeah Cliff, its probably the same. :thumbs:

posted by  SuperJew

The slowest car (last time I checked) in the tables of Road and Track is the Focus ZTS at 105 mph...

posted by  StiMan

they are slightly diffrent, mainly so that the americans dont complain the steering is to heavy, there are some external lighting diffrences. and little things like that.

did you see the alfa 156 on topgear m8?

posted by  cinqyg

Agreed. My neighbor here in Iowa City has one, a blue Focus SVT. While it looks ok, the thing is slower than hell. I'm Sorry but my Jeep beat its 7.7 second 0-60 time.

posted by  Voda48

7.7 second? My Stock Camry CE (99) with 133 hp does it in 7 flat...

posted by  StiMan

Like I said, it is sad :doh:

posted by  Voda48

You're complaining about a 7.7 0-60?....that is far from a bad time lol!




I know about the lighting differences, The US Focus has two orange sidelights in the radiator grill, that or they are the indicators, I just assumed they were sidelights due to moth US cars having lights like that (like Volvo's have....on the side of them...)

And I didn't see Top Gear on Sunday night if that's the episode you are refering to! :thumbs:

posted by  Cliffy

Yeah, because 0-60 and 1/4 mile times are the only measures of whether a small sporting car is good or not...

:banghead:

Hell, my Fiat's slower than that, and it's still a blast to drive.

posted by  ChrisV

7secs out of a Camry sounds a bit far fetched to me anyways...also, I still say 7.7 is far from slow!

posted by  Cliffy

nice, the cobalt is a nice improvement exterior-wise. too bad chevy put the ricer wing on the ss. :banghead:

posted by  importluva

thats incredible for a camry, i cant believe it. i should try racing a few cars sometimes :mrgreen:

posted by  importluva

yeah sundays was a good one, paul mckenna hypnotised "the shirt". He forgot how to drive! They then convinced him that a toy 911 was his brand new one and jerermy crashed into it. ooh so funny.

They based the whole show around "Bling" even put an escalde on test "drive" :laughing: is to strong a word but you get the idea.

posted by  cinqyg

I saw the bit where they test drove the Escalade...Great stuff to watch, I was on my way out the door to go to the pub at the time....you have to prioritise these things...believe me, it was a dificult decision to make lol :ticking:

posted by  Cliffy

Hey I didnt say it wasn't fun to drive. It prob is. I am just saying there isn't much in the way of getting thrown back into your seat as you hit the gas.

posted by  Voda48

horses for courses, in a skyline you get a G meter

posted by  cinqyg

well with the cellar got the best of both worlds.

posted by  cinqyg

IMO Ford had its chance to do this with the ford probe. This was supposed to be the new mustang but plans were changed. The least they could have done was give it a powertrain similar to that of the old mustang SVO's with turbocharged 4 cylinders. I have owned 2 mustang 5.0 liters and loved them very much....I am now building a 93 Probe and have to say, Ford really dropped the ball on this car, handles nice and its pretty to look at....if ford would have thought it through the probe could have been the American Import Killer. :doh:

posted by  Cantesoleares

Here is a question for you guys:

We are talking about import killers, would a Plymoth Laser or an Eagle Talon count in this department?? They were pretty fast in their day, and you can mod the heck out of them if you want. The only catch it they are largly Mitsubishi thus are they really an American import killer????

The same goes for the Dogde Stealth AKA Mitsu 3000gt

posted by  Voda48

I am dead serious...

posted by  StiMan

I had an 1.8l Prelude that couldn't top 9secs :ohcrap:

Still, if you say it's serious...who am I do say otherwise! :thumbs:

posted by  Cliffy

Those are the stats I have...

posted by  StiMan

you know I tried looking up stats for that car online and came up blank. I might try harder. 7 seems fast but that is the general trend of cars nowadays.

posted by  Voda48

Well they were built by mazda and are basically a MR2 chasis with FERWD set up.

posted by  cinqyg

The 7 sec. is from a 1997 (Same 5 year sector) and I got it from a site online... took awhile but it sounds right because it is a very light, nimble car and if you drive the one I have you would also go with 7 seconds....
Look at the attachment... I am at the middle of that page...


Nevermind: http://www.car-forums.com/talk/showthread.php?t=1765&page=3&pp=15

posted by  StiMan

Ya I am going to have to disagree with you on that. One of my best friends had a 1997 Camry in high school. We used to always race around town and I always dusted him. I really doubt 7 secs. No I just have to back my statement with some facts.

posted by  Voda48

1998 Toyota Camry LE 2.2, 10.40 s
http://www.car-videos.com/performance/speed.asp?Speed1=0&Speed2=60

1998 Toyota Camry, The optional 194-hp 3.0-liter V6 0-60 mph in 8.7 seconds, as opposed to 10.9 seconds for the four-cylinder engine
http://www.internetautoguide.com/reviews/1998/1998_Toyota_Camry.html

2000 Toyota Camry, The optional V6 engine 0-60 times in 7.8 seconds
http://www.epinions.com/content_23890660996

the best bet*
Toyota Camry LE V-6 (1997) 194hp 209torque 3219lbs 16.2 (1/4 mile) @ 86mph 8.0 (0-60)
http://www.hondahookup.com/honda_racing_chart.php

This is just some info I have found

posted by  Voda48

Gregg! The 7 is what I got from a site as well. From what I have experienced with the car the 7 seems just... perhaps I am wrong, but...
I dont really want to disagree with you here Gregg...
The 7 surprised me at first two, but from the experiences I have had...

posted by  StiMan

Hey I'm just telling you what I have seen on the web and what I know from my real life experiences. Thats all bud. If yo say 7 it must be. I don't know what mods you have done to your car so I will believe you :thumbs:

posted by  Voda48

Aight guys I know Im new, But my boyz are holding it down. Import killers is what my boyz and I have been doing for years. We are not only a nation wide car club but we are now global with points set up in England and australia and even in russia The ford Escort has so many modifacations that you can do to it, it is insane. check out and check out some of the crazy stuff we have been doing. There isn't a honda in my area that has touched my car. Then i sold mine to project another one, and the motor went on mine so now it just have to continue to rebuild.

posted by  Derb

I am afraid that me and my "boyz" are only giving Z's to your Escort...

posted by  StiMan

No mods that I know of... just simply that it has some miles so its 0-60 is better than stock... perhaps I just got the info from a bad site...

posted by  StiMan

We might just have a production-made, able American Import Killer in the same class as the ricers. Ford's new Saleen Focus N2O. Stock with a 10 lb. nitrous bottle(75 shot). Lightweight too. About the same stock hp as a Civic Si. Then we can't forget the goodies. Recaro racing seats, white face guages, full Saleen bodykit, etc... So finally folks, at least in the stock class, before ricers spend thousands, and us good ole American faithfuls spend hundreds we have a winner!!

posted by  2001STANGPLAYA

Haha sorry Voda, you're not getting away with that one. You pop the hood of a Talon,Lazer, or Stealth it says mitsubishi. I refuse to believe that any DSM should ever be considered American. Talons and Plymoths are ricers at heart. So is the Stealth. What do you mean "they were pretty fast in their day"? They still are fast. A decently modded GSX, TSI, or RS(AWD of course) will pull 12's with about 1k of upgrades.

The Cavalier/Cobalt is a joke to me. I always thought that the Mustang and Camaros still dominated imports on the 1/4rth. The Focus is a nice car, never seen to many of them that were fast.

posted by  DSMer

If you read carefully, I think Voda48 poses the question and doesn't make a statement. You didn't really "catch" him getting away with anything.



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posted by  BavarianWheels

No I meant catching him as I noticed the question going unanswered. People began to talk about 0-60 in 7 seconds with a Camry? Who cares its a Camry, there is no racing aspect involved in a Camry?

posted by  DSMer

True.. the camry is most certainly a family car...

posted by  StiMan

From my readings, alot of the people posting here want to beat the ricers at their own game by dropping v8's into everything. It might only be me but isnt the ricers game the 4 cyl. and the elite ricer cars such as the supra's and the skylines run the 6 cyl. with the wankle rotary as an exception of course.

posted by  littlledevil696

Thanks Bav. I dont quite get what DSM is getting at here but I'll let him run with it. Anyways I know that they are still fast, I have one of those "old ricers" (Laser RS Turbo)

posted by  Voda48

No No Voda, I was ribbing yah like. You know aha you're not getting away wit dat one :). You know ol buddy ol chum ol pal humor?



Its not the question of "When will GM or Ford produce a car thats an import killer". The tallent is allready out there. Its up to the consumers, car enthuisiast, and tunerz to find it. There are plenty of cars that compete with imports and stand a chance of winning.
Z06 vs Skyline/NSX/Supra
Caddilac CTS-V vs IS300
Focus vs Civic Si
Cavalier/Neon SRT vs Prelude/DelSol/Integra/Civic
Camaro/Mustang vs Supra/300ZX/350Z

Ladies and Gents of CF, the competition is out there. You just gotta find it...

posted by  DSMer

The SRT-4 is considered a Neon. But yes, I am in agreement- the current compact cars don't have what it takes.



The Cobalt, like importluva said, is a new Cavalier. And the plans for a Cavalier SS don't look so bad. It's sad that the car is ugly as sin, though. I don't see the reason to scrap the Sunfire, though... but it is in dire need of serious refreshment.

The Pony cars you mentioned before are just that- pony cars. Mustangs, Camaros, and Firebirds aren't really made to contend with Asian competition. And I don't know- I'd prefer Ford make a kickass version of the ZX2 rather than the Focus.

posted by  Patrick

All cars are made to contend with others. Since contend is nothing but a label for competition. Labeling something as a "Pony" car does'nt mean people can't race it at the track. I honestly think the potential is out there...you just gotta find it.

posted by  DSMer

I think Dodge is starting to get on track this year. They're bringing back their rear wheel drive cars. Not these crappy front wheel drive sh*t boxes. I think all the American companies should start looking for their answers by using common sense. Rear wheel drive cars do better burn outs, they sell and basically they just OWN. Then again AWD cars can be pretty cool. I'm starting to think the American companies are trying too hard to be like the foreigners when they should be going oldschool. Everyone respected cars back in the 60's and 70's because 1.They hand immence power and 2.They were just plain cool. All you answers are in the past, you just have to realize it.

posted by  A-Poc

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