at the local chevy dealership they just recently got in a 2004 corvette V8 5.7 , 6 speed man. with under 200 miles, yesterday the dodge place just got a 2000 dodge viper V10 , 6 speed man. with over 27,000 miles and naturally there have been what if's about them racing. if they did race would the viper make the corvette look like a joke or does the corvette stand a chance?
in drag racing, the viper will own the vette, even if its a z06.
yeah dude...straight out the Viper would smoke the Vette
Yup... the Viper would and should own... gotta like dodge!
Hmmm.. Thats strange.. Everyone seems to be wrong so far...
1998 Dodge Viper RT/10
1/4 mile: 12.30
2004 Z06 vette..
1/4 mile: 12.05
Oh, and the new Z06 suspension setup means that it will also handle better too... :banghead:
And yes, my recent attitude is but a vain attempt to make up for the lack of VW being here... :ticking:
::points back to an old thread::
9 Second BMW (http://www.car-forums.com/talk/showthread.php?t=1226)
Now what say you?
:laughing: :laughing: :wink2:
My ex got a 330 diesel for her 17th then wrapped it round a tree 2 months later, her dads Internal Sytems director of O2, so he bought her a daewoo matiz and a appartment in manchester to make up for it. why did i dump her again???? :-s
...and the relevance is...???
Anyway, what kind of viper are we talking here? Theres tons of them you monkies :hi: . Now look, take a Hennessey Viper and DAMN! 0-60 in 2.something seconds! F*ck! Vette would look like a damn lawnmower out of fuel.
Ya I was wondering the same thing. I was also going to point out the same facts that R34RB30DETTV did but alas I was too late. For the Money the new Vette is even cheaper than the Viper too. That leads me to think, which would I rather drive? That is a tough question as well
Not if we were comparing it to your 2.0s vette that you were talking about earlier this month. They should be pretty comparable then, huh?
the vette is obviously cheaper, by a large margin, so why not just slap on a turbocharger on the vette and smoke verything for less money?
you picked the rt, which i think is a convertible. its a little slower and
heavier than the gts coupe version, but no matter, we are comparaing cars
that were made 6 years apart.
Also, post a link to where you got those numbers.
you definitely can't compare a 1998 Viper to a 2004 Z06...and when one
compares the 2004 Viper to the 2004 Vette...
" Even when compared with the $70,000 Viper, this Vette can hold its own. Sure the Viper with 450 HP will take it off the line, but not by much, and the Z06 is better balanced and easier to drive."
Acceleration 0 to 60 4.2 Seconds
Top Speed 171 (Manufacturer's Figures)
1/4 mile Acceleration 12.6 Secs. 114 MPH (Manufacturer's Figures)
and the Viper...
Acceleration 0-62 mph s: <4.0
Top Speed mph (km/h): 190 (306)
how about them apples. :laughing:
speaking of the 2k4 viper, i was reading an article in motortrend about the
viper vs ford gt. check it out here
seems the gt has better 0-100 but the viper wins in the 1/4th. these cars are monsters.
Those 2 second vettes were not even really vettes anymore. Not one stock screw was on the thing probably.. :mrgreen:
Ya... I remember reading that the Viper beats the Vette... must have been quite recently that i read it
Ok, now here comes the Lietenfeilter (however you spell it) Vette... Ok, now heres a serious can of whoop ass... 0-60 1.6. 0-100 2.8. 0-200 6.5 secs and 254.7 mph.. Ok, so now we have mentioned the fastest road legal car in the world i think we can all agree the vette wins.. Oh and for those figures i had of the viper, they were the fastest i could find, i took the best of both cars twice now and the vette has kicked the vipers ass, BOTH TIMES.. Jus grow up, put down you baby bottle and accept the vette is better, epsecially when you consider the cost... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
I have a seriously hard time imagining that this car is street legal. IF it is, what street are we talking about because I want to move there!! :thumbs:
Yes, it is.. It is the L98 '88 vette sledgehammer that was tuned even more.. We discussed it on this forum bout a month ago... Have a look 4 it if you can b bothered/if you think its worth it... :thumbs:
dude...youre the one who needs a reality check. you cant compare a
Lingenfelter Vette to a normal Viper. its like comparing apples and
Yeah. It's no use explain that to airheads that know, know, know there right. I'm just staying out of this.
dude, are you blind. i just posted a link to an article where the viper
challenges the gt, and wins in the 1/4. 0-60 in 3.9 and 1/4 in 11.77. the
hell are you talking about, you obviously didnt find all of the numbers.
comparing 2k4 vette to a 2k4 viper is more even, and the viper will win the
dont be another ignorant fanboi.
OK, everyone has their own numbers for testing vehicles, results may vary.... so lets just drop the 0-60 BS as our main criteria for judging which car is better and focus on other things.
I DID, I COMPARED A 2004 VETTE AND A 2004 VIPER, THEN I COMPARED AN EXAMPLE
OF A MODIFIED VIPER SOMEONE PUT INTO THE EQUATION AND SO I GAVE ANOTHER
EXAMPLE OF THE VETTE KICKING ASS...READ IT PROPERLY...
*IN MEMORY OF VW*... THINK, TYPE, SUBMIT... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Hmmm.. oh, wait.. I DIDN'T!!! I COMPARED IT TO SOMEONE ELSES MODIFIED VIPER!!! Look below..
Just because i proved you wrong before... :hi:
well then you need to clarify what you're comparing mate...
and sources for the numbers you got would help a tonne.. :thumbs:
who cares, you cant drive either very fast around a corner.
"Mate"? You really are becoming a brit..! Well i typed something into
google and a website popped up with figures on it and i used those..
True true..! And neither can carry four people or a weekends luggage, especially if a gal is involved..! Hell, they coundn't evena carry a weekends shoes..
Hey, for those of you that kinda know me, sry 4 my bitching contest, you all know i don't start trouble, but i jus had had a bad week.. s'all..! :screwy: :mrgreen: :thumbs:
True... very true!
Correct! I think we should just settle down alittle... everyone gets different stats! No need to b*tch about it! This is a place to learn, not a place to b*tch against each other...
What is really puzzling is how the GT had better time 0-everything, had a
higher trap speed, and still a slower 1/4 time. What that means is
basically the GT was faster to 100 mph, and somewhere between 100 and 124
the Viper Caught it and passed, the GT started to accelerate again, and
re-passed the Viper. (After the 1/4 was over.) Sounds kind of fishy.
The Viper is much better suited to drag racing than is the GT. The GT is a track-racing car, and would outclass the Viper in the twisties. (Hell, it outclassed a Porsche GT3 and a Ferrari Challenge Stradale.)
whatever man, i dunno wat you are saying, but screw it. alls i gt to say is
im standing by MTs numbers, and the result is viper>vette in 1/4. end of
yes, quite puzzling. always a problem with mag testers, dunno what exactly the conditions were, driver, etc.
u gave the times on a dodge viper year 1998, he said dodge viper year 2000, and yes the viper would smoke the corvete. the 2000 dodge viper is faster, and Zo6 i dont like, and it sucks, the look of it blows too. :tard: :driving:
This is why i like the reliant scimitar, well once you have got rid of the essex engine, its amazing what diffrence a bit of tweeking does for it, alloy frame you just double the tube wall thickenss, same strenth 1/2 the weight, take shunted jag xtype and fit the running gear and you have a lightweight 240bhp AWD sports estate for under 2k!
Most propably to do with gearing and how wide the torque bands are on each car.. :2cents: Alternatively it may just be the drivers.. You know, human error... :screwy:
I would call it a draw. I mean one stronger in one spot than the other is. One mabey faster but the other may have more tourqe. So I call it a draw.
Have you seen the new GT3R?? stripped out version of the GT3, no carpets, radio, perpex rear screen, fixed perspex windows, no stereo, carbon fibre bonnet, they have taken 150kg out of it.
No I have not,but it sounds like it sucks,I was talking about the GT and the 2000 viper.
its quicker than a ferrari modena, its a track only car
Hate to break it to you, but just because you dont like it doesnt take away
100 hp or something...
I dont personally like it either, but I still respect it...
That GT3R sounds pretty nifty...
GT?? What GT? GT means Grand Tourismo... Now how many cars could that
I will assume you mean the Porsche GT3 RS.. Oh and they have only taken 85kg out of it... :mrgreen: :thumbs:
It's actually EXACTLY the same speed as the 360 SC though.. :thumbs:
No.....GT means 'Grand Tourer' :thumbs:
Uh there might be a difference in culture here. I have heard it as Grand Turismo (sp?)
LOL...When I saw your reply to this thread, I put my thinking cap on....my theory is...they mean the same thing :ohcrap: ...and it's 'Gran Turismo' I believe :thumbs:
Yes, it stand for Grand Turismo (spelling... I dunno) I believe that Ferrari or some other Italian make first used it and then the other car companies just plain copied them... :2cents:
He he he.. Diffrence in culture..? Umm.. no offence Voda but me and cliffy
are but a few miles apart.. I guess diffrerent people hear difrrent
Oh and cliffy, i do believe that tourismo is italian for tour, or tourer! :thumbs:
Ya... I know that it is Italian...
im going with the Viper because I'd say that overall it's faster and it's bulky appearance looks strong and fast. The Corvette looks slick but I don't think it presents it's power like the Viper
I would go with the Viper, because I always think of the Corvettes as a
middle-aged man's car. I almost never see anyone under about 40 driving a
Vette. Vipers, on the other hand, seem more "youthfull". Maybe I'm just
This kinda reminds me of a video I downloaded off the internet, where this guy turboed his viper, and it make ~860 hp. Then he dragged some sportbikes. The viper owner bought a stock $80,000 viper, put tens of thousands of dollars worth of mods on it (I'm guessing about $40,000), and dragged some sport bikes with a 40-60 mph roll-on (which is better for the car). He dragged a few different bikes, mainly Suzuki Huyabusa 1300's ($10,000), with varying degrees of modifications. He got owned by 'Busa with less than $1,000 worth of mods on it. I felt so sorry for the guy.
Ya well I have also seen a couple of vids where the oppoisite was true. When I get back home I will post them up for people to look at.
EDIT: I'll create a new thread instead of hijacking this one.
You and your bikes... Once the bikers crash going very fast they have a smaller chance of survival than the guy in the Viper, so it all balences out! :2cents: :screwy: :thumbs: :laughing:
Automobile drivers just need to learn how to drive. Way too many motorcycle fatalities are because of stupid car drivers. :cussing: :banghead:
Way too many? More like pretty much all...! :screwy:
LOL....You wanna try driving in London?....it might be different in the US, but over here most motorcycle fatalities are caused by stupid motorcyclists who think they are invinsible...not only do they risk everybodies life, but they give respectfull car drivers...and motorcyclists for that matter, a bad name :ticking:
I agree there are a few bad apples that give motorcycling a bad name, but there are plenty of non-stunters and responsible riders out there too.
Who the hell gives a sh!t? The idea of a bike to me is to thrash the hell out of it.. All i can do is to pin open the throttle in every gear untill i run out of road.. And evidenetly from my accident 2 weeks ago 2morrow i leave it too late sometimes.. But hell, i just got back on the bike and carried on being insane.. :screwy: And that is why bikes are more fun than cars :hi: Although cars do brake and corner better and have a higher top speed.. And at the top fuel end of drag-racing cars are faster in acceleration there.. :orglaugh: But none the less bikes have more bang for you buck and are a hell of alot more fun in any case.. :thumbs:
It is just like that here! I was driving down the DNT (Dallas North Tollway) today and a motorcyclist drove right between my car and the Elantra in the other lane... Motorcycles and thier drivers are crazy, and they blame everyone else when they die... :screwy: :banghead: :cussing: :2cents:
How can one blame somone when one is dead? lol jk.....I hate it when motorcyclists blame everyone but themselves :ticking:
Sorry.. but you obviously knew what I meant..
Wanna rethink the red part?
LOL. Since when do cars have higher speeds than bikes and quicker braking?
You screwball :mrgreen:
Two words.. Relative Roll-axis.. Think about it... :ticking: :thumbs:
I wish I had a choice of a V10 Dodge Viper!!
Never fair though.. the good ole Holden 5.7L Gen III V8's that come in Holden SS's are damn sexy.... sound hot too!
:cussing: That's what I'm talking about....If you think that the Viper takes the Vette.....Watch out for the easter bunny....he's coming personnaly to bring you an egg...and it's a Dodge! :screwy: It's funny how all of these people know so much about these cars, but don't own any of them! :twisted: Thats like saying the Prowler could beat?????? Nothing!!!! Wishfull thinking Dodge fans.... :laughing: bring
hold on here what the hell dont you guys get its a 04 viper vs a z06 ok---- the viper will win in a race not by much iv seen a z06 with only exhuast and a intake pull a srt-10 viper soo its nothing like the viper will put 10 cars on teh z06 but it will beat it in the 1/4 but the thing is the vipers unconfy like a mother f-cker and really small inside -- its not a daily drive type car like the z06 is and have a vette my self i can tell you its a pretty nice ride- the facts are tho a stock viper will beat a stock z06 - it dose have what 500 hp compared to 405 hp but the vette still is right on the vipers ass and with the new z06 coming out with the 7.0 427 should take care of the viper - both of the cars are nice the vipers are alot more rare but thats because i cant think of any one who would want to drive that car every day - most of you gusy just talk right out of your ass - just because you like the other car better- the viper dose look better and performance is also better in a viper just for what 30g more lol any way if i had to pick i would take the z06 because its cheap to mod and its easy to drive
Learn how to type. I cant read this for very long.
Hmmmmmm, A corvette is for the over 40 crowd ? I'm 28 and I'm on my third vette. As far as the whole viper vette comparison, viper would win. But if you talk about the simple bang for your buck factor, a vette is hard to beat. The price on that viper is steeeeeeep, For the money I save on a vette I could mod that sucker up and show viper boy some taillights. I've driven a GTS coupe the are super fun, but hopefully you like heat cause it got pretty toasty in that interior. Everyday drivability is a big factor and the vette beats the viper hands down. If I only want to drive my $ 70,000 to $ 80,000 viper one day a week that's not money well spent in my eye's. When the 2006 Z06 comes out I think viper salesman have some tough compettion from the bowtie boy's.... :wink2: :wink2:
What you ned to remember, ode, is that Viper owners are buying a bit more
exclusivity, and cars that aren't often confused with secretary cars, like
basic Corvettes often have been.
Both cars are excellent cars, and Z06 rock. But the truth is, the Viper's more exclusive and that commands the higher price.
If it were my money? Well, look at me in this one:
As for bang for the buck, I can make a Pinto outperform you car for a lot less money. But is it a better car because of it?
The previously posted numbers don't compare cars from the same year. Here
are the latest available versions of both cars (all numbers from
Chevrolet Corvette C6 Coupe $53,815
400hp LS2 V8
1/4: 12.9 @ 112.3 mph
Top speed: 186 mph
60-0: 114 ft.
Slalom: 67.0 mph
Dodge Viper SRT-10 $83,795
1/4: 12.2 @ 119.6 mph
Top speed: 190 mph
60-0: 114 ft.
Slalom: 68.6 mph
...and coming soon:
Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 $62,500
500hp '427' LS7 V8
1/4: 11.7 @ 127.0 mph
Dodge Viper SRT-10 Coupe (GTS) $86,000
1/4: 12.1 @ 121.0 mph
Modifieds? Here are the current best from each car's most respected builder (all numbers from Nov '04 Car&Driver SuperCar ShootOut):
2004 Lingenfelter 427 Twin Turbo C5 Corvette $149,187
800hp 427 Twin Turbo V8
1/4: 11.6 @ 136 mph
150-0: 682 ft.
2004 Hennessey Venom Twin Turbo SRT-10 $162,054
800hp Twin Turbo V10
1/4: 11.1 @ 141 mph
150-0: 705 ft.
Well, I never knew that a vette was for secretary's. As far as a viper is concerned your right. I believe that you are getting some exclusivity with the viper, hence the higher price tag.I guess that I like the way I can feel at ease knowing I can drive my vette everyday, without frying my nuts off ! And as far as the pinto, why would you destroy/mod a superb piece of automotive history like that ! :hi:
Hehehe. Vette's gopt that reputation in the '70s and into the '80s with low
power, automatic equipped models that were bought by all sorts of
non-performance people. They are still available in comfort and convenience
models, but the Viper was pretty much a raw race car (the new ones have
changed that a bit, getting a bit more comfortable).
I never fried my nuts off in that Viper, or the one I drove on the track.
As for the Pinto, my first SCCA race car was a Pinto 2 liter, and they make excellent road racers and drag cars.
The point being, since I can make one of these quicker than a Corvette or Viper for less money, does tham make a new Corvette a bad buy in the "bang for your buck" competition? Of course not. So slamming on the Viper for being more money than the Vette is beside the point.
Never at any point would I slam the viper in any way shape or form, more expensive are not. I like the viper, it's just my opinion that when I drove one for two days it was just very warm and uncomfortable for me. Just to let you know, as of right now my secreraty mobile is pushing around 425hp. And may god be your witness, you shall burn in hell for chopping the all mighty pinto. lol :hi: :hi:
Hmm. Sorry to respond, then. I see every sentence in this post:
As cutting down on the Viper for reasons that teh vette can be cut down on by onwers of other cars. I mean, why buy either a Viper OR a Vette, when you can only carry two people? Hope you like being alone..." see what I mean? Everyday useability is way low on both of them for a family guy like myself, when I need to be able to carry more than one other person in my daily driver. Once it's a given that it can't BE a daily driver due to only being a two seater, then any daily driver requirements are GONE. In fact, looking at a sports car as a practical daily driver is just the wrong way of looking at it, especially a high performance one.
All the Vipers I've seen have A/C and are no more uncomfortable than lot of other fast cars (and some not so fast ones, like my non-A/C equipped Fiat in my sig)
I mean, most of what you were talking about was how it wasn't a good investment for YOUR money, but since I could beat your Corvette for less money, then even your corvete isnt' a good bargain for your money, compared to what you could have built.
The point is, you LIKE your Corvette, and decided the cost is worth it to have what you want, which is why the Viper isn't any worse of a deal, as it's worth it to the owners for what THEY want.
Hell, right now I can't afford either, so it's a moot point.. :laughing:
BTW, I've had 3 Pintos, and love them as race car projects.
Great point, I've alway's told my friends when they talk smack, there is always something faster than what you got. I wil admit being smoked a few times by this guy in a 59 Anglia wagon,(347 stroker,c6, 4.56 9in) dam that cars quick. As far as being alone, I'm married, she's got the soccer mom suv, and I have my Avalanche for the kiddies, when we are blessed with them. And as far as the pinto goes, I'm just foolin around, I love those little cars, they look so cool all dragged out, I like the vegas too.. Thanks for a informitive response. You've changed my ideals on a couple of my opinions. :doh: :doh:
April C/D, with 2 pages on the Lingenfelter 402 C6 Corvette. pg 132
$85,781 as tested (base price of $61,149)
510bhp @ 6000rpm
500 lb-ft @ 4600
1/4 mile 11.9 @ 122 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph 163ft
Foadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad 1.00g
I know of someone who drives his Viper once every now and then, usually on weekends, but never in the winter because of the bad weather. I don't think it's too unusual, like ChrisV said, it's a high performance car and not quite practical for everyday use.
Good catch. I knew Lingenfelter was coming out with a new C6 car, but couldn't find the issue I had read it in...
Lingenfelter owns the crown in mass-modified on some pages, and hennessy
owns the crown on others;
Lingenfelter 1 (http://www.fast-autos.net/0to60.html)
Lingenfelter 2 (http://www.fast-autos.com/lingenfeltercenter.html#427tt)
Lingenfelter 3 (http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=26&article_id=3414)
Viper 1 (http://www.fast-autos.net/14mile.html)
Viper 2 (http://www.hennesseyperformance.com/hennesseyperformance/ItemDetail.php?It em_ID=142&cart=POCHxqJK&DoThis=Dodge+Viper+SRT10&ActionReq=Where)
What would you take, if I gave it to you for free? A 427 corvette TT or a Venom 1000TT?
I'd rather a Venom 1000TT.
I'm not a fan of the 2003-Present Vipers. They look bland compared to the old Vipers. If I had $85,000, I'd place an order for the 2006 Z06. The upcoming Z06 is the only Corvette that I truly prefer over the 2002 Viper GTS.
then, you would prefer some other car over a GTS?
I do agree that they look kinda bland, but I'm more for performance than looks.
Still, dodge could do so much more with the viper, rather than just stick a stupidly-huge, pushrod 20 valve truck engine in a sports car chassis.
It also pains me how much the side panels on the C6 and the srt-10 look alike.
To answer my own question, it's hennessy, because it turns so many heads, and with the right radials, can hit 0-60 in the 1 second range.
Some other car that isn't a Corvette? Yes, there are many cars that I
prefer over a GTS; none in its price range though.
I understand your point of view, but to me, the 2002 Viper GTS isn't a car that I'm afraid to give a performance upgrade. But I would be afraid to visually upgrade any Viper, so if I purchased a newer Viper, I'd be stuck with the looks. But besides, the 2002 Viper GTS performs well enough for me even if it was left stock.
I love how kids simply just don't get it. The POINT of the Viper was a
"stupidly huge, pushrod engine in a sports car chassis." Just like the
original Cobra and Cad Allards. Bob Lutz was driving his AC Cobra replica
one day and was commenting on how it's sad that car makers don't make raw
beasts like that anymore. That everything has to be refined, safe, and
frankly, boring. So when they were going to introduce the then-new Ram V10,
he commissioned an all aluminum one built and put it into a Cobra-like show
car. And people went nuts over it.
If you think that putting a pushrod V10 of 8 liters in a sports car chassis is a bad idea, then you aren't the target market, because you simply don't understand, nor will. Ever.
I'm no tthe target market, yes, but never did I say it was a bad idea, I
just said that dodge can make such a better car, rather than just put an
oversized truck engine in a sports car chassis. They could compete with the
Ford GT and any other high performance car.
Why don't they make a better/faster car? Just that they only want to target one demographic?
Apparently, as Mercedes killed teh ME412 project (the guy that was teh head
of that project went to VW and revived teh Bugatti project).
Simply put, the Viper is the only new vehicle like it. That makes it different instead of just another copycat supercar. And the fact that it's different is why it was built in the first place. In fact, a lot of us were disappointed when the SRT-10 version came out, as it was too refined for the concept. It's no longer a modern Cobra, but just a S2000/Corvette with a bigger engine.
the viper would beat not kill the z06 in a line and on the track. i have both a 2002 z06 and 2004 viper the viper is definitely more powerful and is cooler and more exclusive. the z06 runs 0-60 in 4 sec. and i have seen the viper run 0-60 in 3.8 and 3.9. The 1/4 mile of the z06 is 12.1 and the vipers is 11.77. the viper also brakes faster. viper 60-0 in 97 ft. and z06 60-0 in 104 ft. the viper is the 1st car to do 60-0 in under 100 ft. in a recent r&t mag the vette nipped the viper by .3 sec in a lap. they admitted though they made a mistake twice with the viper. they can't drive it motortrend can. the vipers interior is nicer with the great speakers and suade seats. the top speed is also 195. i know you think 190 but my friend got 195 on a drag. besides doesn;t it make sense. 110 ibs. less than gts, 50 more hp and 35+ torque. get a viper
annnndddd.... keep on reading. They had just as much practice, if not more
with the viper as they did with the corvette. The hairpin part you're
talking about requires practice, and I'm sure that the corvette will still
beat the viper with as much practice. Besides, they competed with the base
C6, not the Z06. Imagine that car with an extra 100 horsepower and foot
pounds. It would kill the viper around the track, and arguably in the
straight line. it would all depend on the driver.
I'm calling your bluff, by the way, you don't own a viper or a corvette. sorry :cry: