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hi i'm 16 and getting a car. i want a classic i can afford-u know something
cheap. i don't care if it looks pretty-i just want some power. i was
thinking about puuting a turbo in a 1974 standard bug. what else can i do?
how musch horsepower will the turbo get me? (standard hp for an old
standard bug is roughly 40hp). any suggestions are welcomed. thanks
AndersonBraun
Hanging a turbo off the back of a 32 year old stock 1600 will get you a
pile of hot, oily, broken broken parts... In a big hurry. And it won't be
cheap. It sounds to me like you need to start with a good basic rebuild
including some slip-in 87's, dual Kads, 1.25 ratio rockers, 009 distributor
with an electronic conversion and an 1.5" extractor with with a quiet
muffler. Then drive it for a while to learn the proper care and feeding of
an ACVW while you collect some money for further upgrades.
vwhobo
Don't turbos put a lot of wear on the engine? :\
Bronxie
Depends on boost...But yeah, it does shorten the lifespan.
chris_knows
Then can you explain how turbocharged engines regularly go 500k mile
between rebuilds? Or did you just hit submit BEFORE thinking?
vwhobo
So turbocharged engines last longer than N/A engines? lol
chris_knows
I'm not exactly sure where I said that. There are far too many variables
involved to make a blanket statement that turbo engines last longer than
N/A engines, or to reverse that statement. Unfortunately, not everything
is as black and white as many people would like to believe, apparently
including you.
I think if you'll read my first post in this thread, you'll see that I
implied exactly the opposite. Why? Well, because any 30+ year old engine
in a cheap project car has probably seen better times. The main bearing
saddles are probably beat out of round and beyond machinable specs, the
valve springs probably have somewhere near a zillion cycles on them, etc.
More importantly, that engine as it sits IS NOT designed or built for the
extra heat, stress and probable RPM that would come from a 16 year old kid
driving a turbo Bug. Hell, the engine in the car might not last as it is
with a heavy footed teenager behind the wheel. That is common sense and
experience speaking.
On the other hand, an engine that is designed and built specifically with
the intended purpose of being turbocharged, properly maintained, yada yada
can well last 500k miles and even more. Again it's that variable thing the
individuals with just enough knowledge to be dangerous don't understand or
maybe even care about.
vwhobo
Wouldn't it be cheaper to put a newer and better engine in, if possible?
Probably would be much more powerful than if you turboed a 40hp engine...
Bronxie
Gotcha lol.
chris_knows
Well... yeah... but... For starters the '74 Bug didn't come with a 40
horse engine. The last year for the 40 horse to be imported to the USA was
1965, and while possible, it's very unlikely that an earlier engine was
retrofitted into a later car. Additionally, if you recall my first post
here, I recommended a basic rebuild as the first step in his process, which
by the way, he seems to have no interest in.
Just to improve your knowledge of ACVW trivia, the 1200 cc 40 horse and the
1600 60 horse (what his car came with stock) are essentially the same
engine, at least from an architectural and material standpoint. That basic
engine can be built and made to live developing up to about 400 hp (not a
typo, four zero zero) on the street. Granted, it takes a lot more parts
than on my list above and it has to be built right, but it can be done.
Maybe more surprising is that there are LOTS of VW's out there right now
running 250+ hp, on the street without nitrous.
vwhobo
With a car that light...it'd be like driving an ariel atom :O
Bronxie
i've posted it once before and i'll post it again. www.volksrods.com i am
currently looking for a bug so i can build one close to the "rat patrol".
glagon1979
And how exactly does posting a link to this website answer his question?
The answer is it doesn't. I wonder if linking to another forum for no good
reason could be considered spamming?
vwhobo
It depends how you drive. If you only spool the turbo to 5psi once in a
while, when the (wastegate?) limits it to 15, you should be OK. If you are
at a good 14PSi on a daily basis, it wont be the same.
newyorker
Only if you were teh owner or bot of that site, and were posting for the
first time (or were very new at posting). Spam has intent: to sell. Glagon
is neither an owner of that site nor a bot (as far as I can tell), nor is
trying to sell us anything.
I'd say no to spam OR advertising in this case. Now, me linking to my
CafePress T-shirt design site is definitely advertising, which is why I
won't do it. ;)
ChrisV
