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Do you guys think it would be a good project to buy a beat up crx from the early 90's and do a lot of body and engine work. Would I get good results or would I be dissapointed with the results in the time immeadily after and in the future?

posted by  junkinthetrunk

They can be really quick with little work because of how light they are. They arent too pretty on the eyes though. A H22 or B16a2 swap would be best.

posted by  Oomba

Light weight, all sorts of aftermarket support. What's not to like?

I think they look great, too.

http://members.cox.net/rexracer19/images/BW_CRX.jpg

posted by  ChrisV

what he said ^^

posted by  importluva

hell yeah get that shit... specially if you can get the 91' model. I think those are best. They dont weigh much and my friend has a zc in his 88 crx and that shit is pretty quick. If you put a H22 in there.... youd be nothing to fukk with. I say get it if you have the money and right intentions...dont do the crx badly.

posted by  rsxdude

A friend of mine converted his CRX to RWD and swapped in a bi-turbo V8 (350). He was clocked at 180 mph by the CHP and lost his license for 2 years. Needless to say, the Honda CRX has plenty of potential.

posted by  abless

Can I get more imput about a lot of different things about the car.

posted by  junkinthetrunk

Sure it would. Make it a road racer or a mild strip car, nothing to wild. Maybe something around 250hp would be enough to have some fun with. :mrgreen:

posted by  FordFromHell351

Ideas

Engine swap (V8?)
Drivetrain swap - RWD

posted by  abless

Holy sh*t! I think when you are going 180 mph on the streets you should at least have a radar detector, and some good ass breaks. How did the cops catch up to him, and how much was the ticket?

posted by  Oomba

At 180, by the time the detector picked up the radar he was already radared. I think "they" were just sitting at the side of the road. Highway in Southern California, to be exact. The radaring cop didn'tt have to chase him himself. Radios go much faster.

posted by  abless

New paint job, some rims, and an exhaust system, then you got yourself a pretty nice CRX, and dont forget to lower it :thumbs:

posted by  nissanTFsx

some long term possibilities please.

posted by  junkinthetrunk

:badrazz: Ricer

posted by  99integra

That's not rice is it? :ohcrap:

posted by  GreekWarrior

Yeah it is :wink2:

posted by  99integra

Isn't rice like big wings, neons, stickers and 8 inch can pipes?

posted by  GreekWarrior

In my book its anything that doesn't help performance :smoke:

posted by  99integra

You can at least can the wheels can't you? :doh:

posted by  GreekWarrior

Yeah I guess

posted by  99integra

Anti-ricer. :mrgreen:

posted by  GreekWarrior

i think it would be a good idea.
now don't go and do all that gay shit to it like a shit can tail pipe or a wing that puts more weight then deflect air.

for long term you could rebuild the engine, replace the trans(new, used or rebuilt urs) probly get new seats (don't have to be those "racing" ones, just like new factory seats), new paint, maybe a turbo for power.

posted by  mustangmann

New paint job, exhaust and rims making a car good to go is the ricer way of thinking. Exhaust systems really dont help much, until you get high in power where the exhaust output would be hindered by small exhaust. 5 inch exhaust isnt need on any car. So I say

Engine Swap
Engine Rebuild
Turbo no high boost
Suspension
Performance transmission parts (clutch, flywheel, etc.)
Brakes/ Cross-drilled rotors
High Octane Fuel
Performance exhaust (fart cans are not performance exhausts, like 3" here people)
Paint job if needed

posted by  Oomba

Run the exhaust off the headers but then it would lose back pressure :doh:

posted by  99integra

Um...Turboed cars dont have headers

posted by  Oomba

I wasn't talking about turbo'd cars :screwy:

posted by  99integra

Ah well im talking about after putting the turbo in it.

EDIT: Nvm, i see what you were commenting on, my bad.

posted by  Oomba

I guess I should have clarified :doh:

posted by  99integra

Your book is wrong. Sorry, but you're stepping on a pet peeve of mine: kids that think that if it doesn't make it go significantly faster, it's stupid and rice. Rice is making a car look like a race car when it isn't. but cosmetic mods in and of themselves are NOT RICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you saying that a '50 Merc with rounded hood and door corners, mild chop, '53 buick side trim, '55 DeSoto Grille, '57 Kaiser taillights, lowered to the ground with Oldsmobile hubcaps is rice? It's a traditional '50s custom! Just because someoe want's to customize a modern car doesn't make it Rice!

My '63 Comet is getting custom paint, shaved trim, a '60 falcon nose with custom grille, custom taillights, polished 17" wheels, and lowered on air bags. And it's not rice at all.

How about the Bug in my sig? Stock engine, with chrome on it, custom paint, lowered on chrome wheels. None of the mods make it faster, so you're saing it's rice?????

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/570966a.jpg

if you don't want to do anything to your own car to make it look better to you, fine. But don't even THINK of insulting those that do. That's no better than Jay-G and his retarded insults of cars that HE does't like.

posted by  ChrisV

No thats a really nice combination. I was talking about more modern cars that you see catback systems on and the wheels kinda tied in with the exhaust etc...

posted by  99integra

I don't think I can ever match Gay-J but I wasn't really insulting his opinion, I was really just stating mine and I'm sorry if it seemed to come off wrong

posted by  99integra

Well, I was responding to your opinion. Your opinion may be that things that don't improve performance are rice, but the BASIS for that opinion is a mindset that is simply mistaken.

Whether it's '50s customs or modern customs, making a car look different than stock, or making it look more to your liking is part of car ownership for many enthusiasts. Mass produced cars are compromises, both for performance and visually. If someone likes the stock performance, but thinks the car could look better with a few custom mods, then that's not automatically a bad thing.

posted by  ChrisV

True but in the eyes of some people, things turn ugly. Like 22's on Caprices and Impala's. Bodykits on Hyundais and Kias, nitrous on Civics. Okay I can agree with you there about a few custom mods, it just has to be tasteful, most of the people that do it want people to look at the car and say its nice but it doesn't always turn out that way :2cents:

posted by  99integra

Oh, I agree. but just to say that anything that doesn't increase performance is rice is simply a Jay-G mindset waiting to happen...

So don't say " dont' do it." Say "don't do it poorly or tastelessly if at all possible."

I mean, look at the car in my sig. I lowered it 2 inches and painted it in a non-stock color. Both are modifications. Neither improve performance, but simply make it look better to me.

posted by  ChrisV

I'll keep that in mind :wink2:

posted by  99integra

It all depends on how you do it. If you lower the thing so its practically scraping the ground, thats stupid. If you paint it an obnoxiously bright color, thats rice.

posted by  Oomba

Yes, some turbo cars run TURBO HEADERS.

http://fwdmopar.50megs.com/ken_h7.jpg
http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/reviews/turboheader/
http://www.turbocalculator.com/sale-headers.php

Normally people run turbo exhaust manifolds though because it's cheaper andlets face it, it's hard to crack them.

posted by  thunderbird1100

See, there you go again. I've lived with cars and trucks with an inch and a half of ground clearance and less. Think '50s and '60s customs again...

http://www.customclinic.com/Ideas/40Merc/stardust2.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1285601d.jpg

And my Comet is going to be bright tangerine/yellow pearl.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/cvetters3/Comvert2.jpg

It'll also have a custom frame with air bags allowing it to set the rockers on the ground.

My last Falcon had an inch and a half ground clearance, and was a daily driver. AND was a bright color AND had no perfromance improving mods. But it was cool!

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/cvetters3/falcon4.jpg

I've had Bugs that were lower yet (One inch clearance at the lower apron...)

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/570966b.jpg

Again, I'm saying quit using universal statements of absolutes as the basis for forming opinions.

This is not rice:

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/802810d.jpg

But it's very low, with custom wheels, and a non stock paint job.

posted by  ChrisV

Do you do all of these yourself?

posted by  TurboLag

Those are nice cars. I'm sure he ment that lowering looked bad on newer cars but thats not true either :wink2:

posted by  99integra

I've been decieved :doh:

posted by  TurboLag

wtf are you talking about? :screwy:

posted by  99integra

That is rice d00d

posted by  Oomba

No it's not. :banghead:


Rice would be someone going around the street in this:

http://img194.echo.cx/img194/3118/ricer0up.jpg

posted by  GreekWarrior

http://www.ianai.net/jokes/forumpix/obvious.jpg

posted by  99integra

Bahahahahaha, Nice. :thumbs:

posted by  GreekWarrior

wow, wth is that? A cavalier? Civic?

posted by  TurboLag

Nope look at the headlights, its a 94 or 95 honda accord :thumbs:
(sad how I know these things) :laughing:

posted by  99integra

I dunno but it's got a cow catcher on the front of it. :laughing:

posted by  GreekWarrior

It's a custom Civic. Some of it is just cool custom work, but some of it is rice, like the fake injection setup on the hood. Not really a good example of rice, however.

Now, taken from the web page that started the rice spotting phenomenon, Bryan's Rice Boy Page, comes a few quotes to help you sort Rice from customizing...

"What sets apart Rice-Boys from normal performance enthusiasts is that they are more concerned with the image of speed than they are about actual performance.

It's not so much that Rice-Boy is trying to make his car look good. There are lots of people out there who just want to make their car look good, and don't care about speed at all. Rice-Boy, however, says that he is making his modifications to enhance his car's performance, when really, all he cares about is fitting some sort of image."

Rice is about ACTING like cosmetic mods are making teh car fast, and putting on mods that are about looking like a faster car, without adding any of teh performance benefit. Simply making your car custom IS NOT RICE. Lambo style doors are not Rice by themselves. Only if the owner thinks it makes the car faster.

posted by  ChrisV

i figured it had a headlight conversion of some type. either way its disgusting :puke:

posted by  TurboLag

So did it have a headlight conversion?

posted by  99integra

Yess! Score :mrgreen: :thumbs:!

posted by  TurboLag

Its not like just because something only has a little rice its not rice. Being that low, is ricey. Those rims, ricey.

posted by  Oomba

I think so, but it would be easier to tell with the doors closed. So doing/adding stuff like bodykits, spoilers, rims, Z3 fenders, etc (which may reduce or add weight) is considered rice IF the owner thinks/says it makes the car faster and not just look better? I myself love custom cars (mostly older ones) and was/am trying to think of a few nice things to do with my '79 Silverado when i get the money.

posted by  car_crazy89

Look at my STI rims in my sig, you think thats rice?

posted by  99integra

Hell ya, same with that wing :screwy: :laughing: Get yourself a pic of a REAL car, Cavalier all the way :banghead:

posted by  car_crazy89

La screhoo yahoo :mrgreen:

posted by  99integra

:mrgreen: :laughing:

posted by  car_crazy89

No that is definitely a 98-02 accord coupe, i know those headlights when i see them, unless it had some kind of headlight conversion.

posted by  Accord_Man

You sure it wasn't 94-95?

posted by  99integra

Most likely a conversion, considering the guy did everything else to the car that you possibly could. Theres a 1991 Civic H/B around here with a 1997 Integra front end, altezza tails and chrome wheels and thats it (also a sound system since the guy works at Crow River and Sound) <------Probably means nothing to yous lol.

posted by  car_crazy89

mine is a 98-02 sedan and the healights are exactly the same size, shape, everything.http://store1.yimg.com/I/autotoyaz_1852_11692642 tell me those lights don't look like the ones in the picture.


P.S. The generation is actually 94-97, you might have known that already but I thought i'd just throw it in anyway.

posted by  Accord_Man

I like saying that specific year because I liked it so much :mrgreen:

posted by  99integra

lol ok but do you agree with me that its a 98-02 :mrgreen:

posted by  Accord_Man

No, its a 94-97 :laughing: Thought you would catch me there didn't ya :wink2:

posted by  99integra

lol, almost :laughing: the 94-97s headlights aren't quite as rounded as those. This is the last time I'll post anything more on this thread because its getting ridiculous :thumbs:

posted by  Accord_Man

1997:
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/325000-325999/325013_1_fu ll.jpg

2000:
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/736000-736999/736571_12_f ull.jpg


Better?

posted by  car_crazy89

what are you trying to say, they are the same gen

p.s. this is hopefully my last post on the thread
:laughing:

posted by  Accord_Man

couldn't resist could you :wink2:

posted by  99integra

Haha whoops, posted wrong pic :doh: :laughing:

posted by  car_crazy89

nope lol

p.s.last thread k

last post i mean

posted by  Accord_Man

STIs come with those rims, so in my opinion, no.

posted by  TurboLag

Are you sure Accord_Man? :hi:

posted by  99integra

Damn he is sure, he just pm'd me and told me that :orglaugh:

posted by  99integra

Laugh at me now cause its only a matter of time before i make another mistake and you'll forget ALL about this one :laughing:

posted by  car_crazy89

Silly canadian :wink2:

posted by  TurboLag

The Beaver told me to :hi:

posted by  car_crazy89

Its stock, but yeah i think theyre pretty ugly

posted by  Oomba

Way to go off topic guys. lol

posted by  junkinthetrunk

Yeah sorry it's just everytime a topic is about someone doing up a honda it it ends up about rice......

posted by  GreekWarrior

On which car? the Custom Suburban? The '50s Customs? RICE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CUSTOMS!!!

Jesus. Ricey ius looking like a race car when it's not, and putting on FAKE performance parts and badges. It has nothing to do with lowering a car or paining it bright colors or changing the wheels.

Jesus! Why is your newly formed opinion on things that have been around longer than you've been alive so important that you won't actually LEARN anything?

This is rice. truing to look liek a race car, wityh a stock neon that has a wing and stickers.

http://riceboypage.com/shame/hall_of_shame_5/pink-neon.jpg

This is rice. it's not a Type R...

http://riceboypage.com/shame/hall_of_shame_5/integraIII-type-r.jpg

This is ricey. Fake cross drilled brake rotors..

http://riceboypage.com/shame/hall_of_shame_7/crx_brakes.jpg

This is ricey. Type JX?

http://riceboypage.com/shame/hall_of_shame_8/eclipse_type-JX.jpg

I don't think I have to explain why these might be ricey...

http://riceboypage.com/shame/hall_of_shame_9/cav_1.jpg

http://riceboypage.com/shame/hall_of_shame_9/camry_18sec.jpg

http://riceboypage.com/shame/hall_of_shame_11/crx_quarter.jpg

Toyota Racing Development stickers on a CRX? Along with the requisite Type R stickers...

Notice the differences between cars like these, and cars like my Falcon, or that Suburban, or the '50s customs and bugs I posted....

So let's not build CRXs like this:

http://riceboypage.com/shame/hall_of_shame_11/crx_side.jpg

And let's stop calling things ricey that aren't.

posted by  ChrisV

Rice is anything done with bad taste. Doesnt matter how ****in old it is

posted by  Oomba

I think you are retarded now from that one comment :doh:

posted by  99integra

So, you refuse to learn anything? Another Jay-G in the making. Ok, now I can write you off as anotheer ignorant kid who thinks forming half baked opinions is the most important thing in the world.

Sory, but vehicles like that Suburban are in good taste. Same with the pair of '36 Fords in '50s style I posted. So is my Comet. But if you want to be a retard, that's your perogative. Though why anyone would make being a closed mided f*ckup be a valuable goal is a mystery. But it seems pretty common in young people, looking at you and Jay-G.

posted by  ChrisV

Hey I'm 21 and considered young, and I love all the older mucle cars so its not THAT common with the open minded ones like myself :doh:

posted by  99integra

But you were the one I was originally responding to when you made the statement "its anything that doesn't help performance" Which was as closed minded as Oombas comments.

You and he formed an opinion based on lack of experience and lack of understanding, and think that it's just as valid as actually knowing about the situation. This is the same mindset that Jay-G used to form HIS insults.

I tried to corect that viewpoint by bringing you and he to a greater understanding, using knowledge gained over decades of working in the industry/hobby. And he wants to argue with that greater understanding, in effect saying, "I dont' care, I don't want to actually know anything about it, I just want to hate it."

That's retarded.

posted by  ChrisV

Yeah I guess you're right, I don't really feel that way after you brought up the fact about old classics getting slamed and putting nice wheels on them. I think that opened my mind up to ricers and they're definition a little more

posted by  99integra

That's always been my goal: getting people to think about things a slightly different way, to improve the overall hobby by opening up mindsets. I don't want to tell peoe what to build for themselves, or change anyone's favorites. I just want to open their eyes to other possibilities, and that there is merit in a lot more of the total hobby/industry than their favorite.

posted by  ChrisV

God you sound like my dad :laughing: :doh:

posted by  99integra

I guess it was in good taste if you have no taste.

Lets all put spinners on Model Ts everyone! If you dont like them, than your a close-minded fool!!!

posted by  Oomba

You know, reading this post, you are a closed minded fool. You cannot classify a '67-'72 Suburban that's been channeled, chopped, shaved, custom interior, and beautiful paint job as ricey. No way, no how. Those are called "custom modifications" (you may notice how none of them are a bolt-on affair, they're all completed with real tools (pliers don't count), with real care, and with real talent).

Ricey is slapping plastic on a vehicle and saying it's cool. Seeing how many stickers you can fit on your door is another good start, fart cannon mufflers that in reality gain you no power when unpaired with a proper exhaust system, as well as a park-bench on the back of anything that doesn't live at the track, considering spray painting a modification is another good shot at ricey.

If you are incapable of seeing the oh-so obvious difference, then your automotive opinion ranks a couple slots below the gum on the bottom of my shoe.

Sit down, shut up, maybe you'll learn something. Chris has made the vehicles that give you ship-lash because you just want another glimpse, you'll no doubt be making the vehicle that give everybody a good laugh on their drive home.

posted by  Bino

if you think that Sububan, or my Comet is in bad taste, you are a f*cking idiot. What are your f*cking credentials for determining "good taste" in cars, customs in particular? Just your gut feeling? Yeah, that and a buck will get you a cup of coffee.

Listen, quit trying to be a Jay-G clone and get a clue. Learn saomthing. If you admit that you want to refuse to learn, your a closed minded sh*t for brains by definition. I don't know why so many of you little shits think that's such a valuable goal, but it's perfectly celar that you'r afraid of using the few brain cells you still have.

What are you really afraid of, Oomba? Learning something? Are you afraid that you might actually stop being ignorant, and that would sadden you?

posted by  ChrisV

If you look up the Oxford dictionary the word rice and ricercar has nothing to do with cars...

posted by  fudge

Oh so I see your point, if visual modifications are your brand a style, theyre fine, but another persons bad? I understand perfectly :banghead:

I also see how i could be considered ignorant and close-minded because I dont like your style. Obviously, my sense of style is very inferior to yours, i mean, you're older than me so that must make you the authority on my sense of style. I'm sorry that I like the things that I like, and I think that the cars you posted are ugly as sin. Hopefully, I'll change my ways and like the exact same things as you, and hopefully the rest of the world will follow suit.

posted by  Oomba

Not necessarily the same. But hopefully you'll wash the shit out of your eyes and be capable of appreciating more than one type of modification. And at least be intelligent enough to recognize what is considered "rice" and what is not, because your previous definition basically washed away any hope you had at credibility.

posted by  Bino

What part of Fake vs Not Fake are you having a hard time understanding?

What part of "attitude that a Type R sticker makes a Corolla faster" vs Lowering it makes it look better" exceeds your grasp?

You see hypocracy where there is none, and fail to see anything else due to sheer stupidity.

Rice is a matter of putting fake parts on your car and acting like they are real. or putting the stickers for parts on your car in order to make people think they are on your car, when they aren't. if you actually had two brain cells to rub togher, you'd be able to grasp that.

posted by  ChrisV

In your opinions lowering makes it look better. In mine, it doesnt. Get your head out of your ass.

posted by  Oomba

Everyone has their own opinions on what looks good and what doesn't. Can't we leave it at that?


I wise Beatle once said- "Live and let Live"

^Actually he said "Live and Let Die" :laughing:

posted by  TurboLag

Well now, that's quite a far cry from the "ricey" you proclaimed upon it in an earlier post. Don't change your tune and fling insults to make yourself still seem all tough.

posted by  Bino

I get my opinions from 60+ years of top name customizers, factory designers, design schools, and trends from the '40s to now. And the fact that designers generally design cars with less clearance. It's a known f*cking fact that is taught in design schools worldwide. Where do you get YOUR f*cking opinion, that it's so important to keep it rather than learn anything?

My head isn't up my ass. Quit projecting your own problems on others. f*cker.

Successful designers from Mark Sterehnberger to Chip Foose, from Brian Nesbitt, to Tom Gale, to Guigiaro, to Marcello Ghandini, and more. My opinions are forged in the minds of the poeple paid worldwide to know this stuff for decades. Ever see a tall GTP car? Ever see a 4x4 '50s Custom?

You're just another clueless retard. Any insult you fling now is just you trying to look tough, since you're incapable of looking intelligent.

posted by  ChrisV

Why set your standards so low? He probably is just doing this to get you angry, like a wannabe Jay-G

posted by  99integra

Chip Foose is a hella inspiration, they guys an ex druggie, has ADD and ADHD, has been kicked out of like 4 high schools then quit. And he made himself into the #1 custom fabricator in my opinion

posted by  TurboLag

He also attended the Art Center College of design after working in his dad's street rod shop for years, and graduated from that esteemed institute, and honed his skill at a couple major design studios before starting his own. Yeah, he's quite the inspiration. But he's not the only one on the list. And I can add more. J Mays, Freeman Thomas, and more. Larry Erickson, Bil Mitchell, Joe Zocchi, Harry Westergaard... I can go on...

I'm trying to get Oomba to back up his opinion with a coherent rebuttal other than "well that's your opinion. get your head out of your ass." I want to see if HIS opinion was formed by ANY study of the subject matter and if it's backed by anyone other than a few of his buddies. *I* back up my experience over decades with factual sources and industry standards. I don't just make sh*t up out of the blue. And I don't state any opinion that isn't backed up with reams of evidence. I want to see him try something other than repeating that HE thinks it looks stupid or "everyone has a right to their own opinion..." I don't think he can.

posted by  ChrisV

The thing that still gets me about those guys after watching some of the shows on Discovery is the way that they can just draw what they want to do. If I tried to draw a car, it'd be a box with 2 circles for wheels. There's no way I could make it look like the car it was ... let alone the car I wanted it to be. Does this mean that I couldn't be a cool car designer? (not that I'm going to be anyway). But it made me think, are they good designers because they can put their thoughts on paper, or are they good at putting them on paper because they are good designers, or is it a pure coincidence that they can draw well?

posted by  windsonian

For some they can draw well because they are good at visualizing in such a way that it can be created. But make no mistake, the skills you see in drawing a car like that are also taught. Form, balance, propotion etc are a large part a gift, but also taught with a lot of hard work and practice.

posted by  ChrisV

Well remember, you have been working in this field longer than he has been alive. You have facts, hundreds of cars that make prime examples of what you're trying to say, years of experience, and callusses and scars on your hands from hours of working and restoring. What does he have?: A couple of issues of SuperStreet with fast cars and girls sitting on the hoods.

Understand that maybe one day, if he goes into your field he'll be doing what you're doing. and then he'll say: "wow, ChrisV was right. These cars are cool. And to think that I spent all those years being stupid and ignorant when I could have been soaking in valuable information from someone who knew what he was talking about"

posted by  TurboLag

You are some dumb mother ****ers. Why do I need facts to back up opinions? Im not aloud to hate something because of the sheer fact that i dont ****ing like it?

posted by  Oomba

Yes you are allowed to. But don't encroach on other peoples opinions

posted by  TurboLag

Yes, you are allowed an opinion. But, I apparently don't give a lot of slack for inaccurate explanations or descriptions of why you don't like something. i.e. that Suburban and the other beautiful customs being proclaimed as "ricers".

If you don't like them, fine, I don't care. But don't try and group vehicles that have an enormous amount of high quality work in with the plasticized sh*t-boxes (I happen to be fond of some of these sh*t-boxes, but not the riced out ones).

And honestly, if you cannot appreciate (not necessarily like) those vehicles purely on the basis of the amount of time and the quality of work in them, you probably have no right making any opinions about vehicles.

posted by  Bino

I consider it a waste of time to spend that much on the look of a vehicle.

posted by  Oomba

OK, then don't. But don't call everything "ricey" just because you're too ignorant to know better.

posted by  Bino

Why? Do you buy ugly cars? Would you buy a car that you couldnt stand teh look of as long as it was relatively quick? Does appearance play ANY part in deciding which cars you like? If so, then you don't consider it a waste of time.

A HUGE part of the budget for developing any car at the factory is design. If it's a waste of time for an indivudual to make a car look better, then it's as much of a waste of time to pay designers like Larry Erickson, Tom Gale, or J Mays to spend years on the design and style of cars to start with. Hell, why don't we all just buy little boxes with wheels with NO style, since it's such a waste of time, to you.

Do you spend any time on YOUR appearance? Do you bathe, wear nice clothes, cut your hair in a style you like? Do you spend mony on personal appearance products? If you go out with a girl, do you wear nicer clothes? Comb your hair? Spend time on your appearance? IF you go for a job interview, do you do any of that?

posted by  ChrisV

Here's a good reason: having facts to back up your opinions makes you look like less of a dumbass.

If someone came on here and said that all European cars are small 4 cyl rustbuckets, because they once had a rusty VW Rabbit, and argued that it MUST be true because it's his opinion, would he look like an intelligent person, or an idiot?

If they said Skyline GTRs MUST have V8s because 6 cylinders suck and can't be that fast, would they look smart? And if they argued that it's their opinion so it doesn't have to have facts to back it up, would the response be "Oh, well, that's different then. Of course you're right, since it's your opinion."

If you walked into the average college classroom and said that all blacks were lazy thieves that didn't deserve an education, do you think that people would say, "gee, he has an opinion. Isn't that just SWELL?"


Why do have to ensure you DON'T have facts to back up opinions? Why must you insist that being an ignorant pile of sh!te is such a valuable GOAL? That's the f*cking question! Why is being ignorant so important to you??????

DO YOU LIKE BEING IGNORANT ABOUT A SUBJECT YOU SEEM INTERESTED IN??

posted by  ChrisV

So why should he argue? the facts are laid out in front of him. he doesn't NEED years of experience to discern teh meaning of the facts.

BUT... he feels having unsubstantiated opinion is more valuable that actually learning. That sets him apart from those of us that DO want to learn.

That's why I don't go onto medical forums and argue with doctors about medical treatments. It would be stupid, as I don't know enough.

posted by  ChrisV

omfg, im not saying i would buy an ugly car. I'm saying im not going to spend money on my car to make it look different. If I wanted a car to look different, ill just go ****ing buy a different car that looks different.

posted by  Oomba

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH*gasp*wheeze*HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

aha...ha...hoooo.

Ahhhhh, that was awesome. :thumbs:

EDIT:

I really did that here at work. People looked at me as if I was insane.

posted by  Zalight

:orglaugh: The crazy man laughing at a computer screen. :laughing:

posted by  GreekWarrior

*My Opinion* - What he was saying about lowering and all that would be ricey, if you didnt do anywork to your engine. And i am one of those ppl who can say i dont care what my cars looks like on the outside too much as long as i have mad engine work done first so i can blow your ass off the road when you say i have a POS (Piece of Shit). But eventually i would make it look pretty, btu i wouldnt spend all that money to make it look nice right off the bat, cause im more interested in my engine than what ppl think, and thats what REAL tuner guys think. They like engines and making them as fast as possible and kicking everyones ass, not what the damn thing looks like.

posted by  rsxdude

So, are you saying that the Suburban early in the post is ricey? Just curious if I should write off your automotive opinions in the future.

Also, I am basically on the same page as you. Cosmetic modifications occur after performance modifications. But all out classic-customs is a whole different ball-o-wax.

posted by  Bino

Exactly what im thinkin, performance before looks. in my opinion a ricer is someone that applies cosmetic mods that are associated with tuner cars, which are somwhat known for being fast. so they want the looks and the respect without the work or money.

posted by  Mx3Kid

I don't see why you HAVE to mod the engine just to keep you guys satisfied.

posted by  fudge

Nobody HAS to do anything. We just prefer vehicles that are fast, as opposed to vehicles that are slow as hell but trying to look fast. It's way more fun to drive something with power than something without. Therefore, we argue power over looks because that's how we feel.

I personally think the 323 GTX is one of the coolest little cars around. I would like to purchase one in the next year sometime. They're a total little econo-sh@#-box looking car, but to me they are awesome purely for their performance/handling. I wouldn't change a thing about the exterior, maybe freshen up the paint if necessary.

posted by  Bino

if new paint, new rims, exhaust system, and lowering a car = rice, then i donno whats not rice out there...

first of all, i didnt say painting it with bright flashy colors...

second, new rims? --> rice? then whats a Hummer with 24" chrome w/ spinner called?

third, exhaust is just to make it sound better...and after market mufflers look alot better than stock ones. NOTICE that i didnt tell him to install anything that looks like coffee cans.

and fourth, i didnt say anything about lowering a car to the point that it scrapes the ground.

posted by  nissanTFsx

That's called stupid :thumbs: !

posted by  TurboLag

:orglaugh: ok ok, but thats not rice right?

posted by  nissanTFsx

They actually make 36" now. Specially made for the Hummer H2.

posted by  FordFromHell351

Mmmm, I'd say no. Its pretty hard to make a hummer fast to begin with.

posted by  TurboLag

Thats ridiculous :doh:

posted by  TurboLag

Exactly, I would consider those potentially tasteful modifications. It's park benches, body kits, LED washer nozzles, rattle-canned interior panels, boat loads of stickers, removed coils (not replaced), spinner hubcaps, etc that define the Uncle-Ben's craze.

posted by  Bino

Bodykits have always been part of tuning. If you consider that uncle ben's craze then you are insulting a lot of cars out there which have bodykits like the Top Secret Supra and the Veilside Skyline.

posted by  fudge

I knew somebody would jump on that. I do agree that there are tasteful bodykits and that they are a large part of compact/import tuning.

But, about 95% of the bodykits I see are tasteless crap. They are installed on cars with factory hubcaps and the bodykits are rarely painted.

I cannot deny that Veilside is a high quality company that does their homework well. I hate to group all bodykits the same, but IMO, 95-98% of them look like ass. Molded and painted or not. Of the billions of bodykits for Eclipses (for example), there's about 2 that don't look like ass IMO.

posted by  Bino

Hey i think it is definetly worth soupin up your crx! It will be all worth it in the end....oh yeah and GreekWarrior i really like your Toyota girls!

posted by  inam

i have a 91 crx and i want to make it nice, right now i have the d 15 engine in it and it has 226000 miles on it so i dont know how much longer its going to last it runs fine but still thats alot of miles, what would you suggest to be the most effective way to make it nicer without spending alot of money on it?

posted by  Xenom

umm new engine? 226,000 is alot, even for a Honda. It could go out any time now. I know, try to stick some V6 in it!! And make it RWD!! and test it on the highway!! BRILLIANT!!!

posted by  jedimario

you would like that wouldnt you, well lets put it up against your 89 accord, which btw to anyone who knows which would the odds be for a 91 crx not si or hf or the 89 accord lx

posted by  Xenom

rwd would b sweet but make it mid rear with a v6 in it or a c series or something it would drift well that would b sweet, but it would take alot of work

posted by  Xenom

Drifting is the stupidest auto sport

posted by  Oomba

just wondering, how much would i be to convert a crx to RWD, and what about AWD, or to do this to any front wheel drive car for that matter?

posted by  Accord_Man

Too expensive to be worthwhile, ill tell you that much.

posted by  Oomba

ya thats what I thought, but they were talkin about it on this thread like it was nothin lol

posted by  Accord_Man

well it might b but drifting turns in a race isnt

posted by  Xenom

bloke in qld got an 86 CR-X, dropped a B18C5 turbo in it.. took a lot of work though.. apprently it did 10.3's..

i could be wrong though...

i believe the number plate was PHAT-X

posted by  HyundaGuy

I think I've see that one, I think it had close to 300kw.

posted by  GreekWarrior

lol, most probably, i didn't take any notice on the power ratings, i was busy chitting my dacks over the engine/time slip!

posted by  HyundaGuy

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