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a friend is selling BOSE speakers from a maxima
and i wana get em in my neon
size is the same from what he says
will it sound good?
and is it worth getitng?
the maxima is a 2003
he wants 30 dollars for the whole set

posted by  6000LE

Bose is synonymous with quality for speakers.

posted by  Oomba

Well that's pretty subjective, now isn't it? What sounds good to one might sound bad to another, you need to listen to them

And saying "Bose is synonymous with quality for speakers" means Bose marketing/advertising is doing great!... many also say "no highs no lows must be bose". im not saying don't get them, $30 isn't bad for speakers, but don't get them just because it says bose...

posted by  jcnoernberg

find someone who works at circuitcity and they can get you access to this page:

http://circuitcity.harman.com/circuitcity_acc.asp

then you can get infinity for that price... it's sick how much audio is marked up, 50-65% profit margins...

posted by  jcnoernberg

If they are still hooked up to his Maxima, test them to see if there is a clear sound, but Bose does make good speakers. What model are they?

posted by  chris_knows

il find out and post everything today

posted by  6000LE

BOSE is probably THE most overhyped POS speaker company in the industry. Their speakers are AWFUL (Especially home theater). They lack solid mid-bass and bass for that matter, the only thing BOSE speakers excel in is mid-range.
The only reason BOSE sounds good to anyone is because everyone has always told everyone BOSE is the best and people THINK it is the best when they hear it because of that, when in actuality almost 95% of aftermarket speakers sound better.

I mean even the $39.99/pair 5.25" Sony bookshelf speakers have more depth and range than any of the lifestyle BOSE systems.

$30 is a waste of money, if you want to properly upgrade your speakers do it the right way and buy something that sounds halfway decent.

posted by  thunderbird1100

Too bad they sound awful.

posted by  thunderbird1100

NO they dont! Do you people just go by what other people say or what? HAve you never heard a truely good home theater or car audio system?

posted by  thunderbird1100

i got jensen
but they do sound nice
clear vocals
and deep bass
good mids too
oter speakers were completely blown

posted by  6000LE

I'd listen to th1100 in this area. I'm not being facetious either, as he really seems to know his stuff. (a little problem with the inability to have a grey area: if it isn't his favorite it's utter crap sort of thing). Give him a price range and he can definitely give you the best recommendations, and when you're done it WILL sound good.

posted by  ChrisV

I've listened to Bose at a friend's house, and they sounded pretty good, but they were computer speakers, and weren't too loud, and it sounded pretty good. I don't know how they would be when they were loud :oops: :doh:

posted by  chris_knows

Bose speakers are the on par with other speakers twice their price that I have heard. Its not just marketting talking.

posted by  Oomba

i alredy got jensen
i was thinking if these were really good then i could sell the jensens nad keep the bose
but i think he sold em already

posted by  6000LE

You just bought new speakers and paid for their installation. Getting new speakers means paying for installation again. Even if you can sell the old ones and install the new ones yourself, why do it? They already sound fine.

posted by  Nissan_Altima

you never heard them cause ur always too busy
lol
na its Ilya
cause apprently he got JBL speakers $100 front and $600 back
amp and shit
i duno

posted by  6000LE

My mom has some in her 03 Altima but I have come to find out that they use like the walls to make the sound (put in lamens terms) echo and make it louder, and when you open up the windows you have to turn it up louder to get essential sound

posted by  99integra

Glad we can at least come to a medium.

posted by  thunderbird1100

Computer speakers shouldnt constitute how all of BOSE sounds... Even though they are far from being even good computer speakers.

posted by  thunderbird1100

You're right it's just not marketing talking, it's you being ignorant again. Just going by what you were brought up to say "mommie, daddy, Bose speakers are the best".

Tell me this, what home theater systems are EVEN twice the price BOSE systems are? The top Bose system goes for well over $3000 at your local best buy or circuit city. The Onkyo systems sound better, the Klipsch systems sound better, the JBL/Yamaha setup is always better, and these are all 1/2 to 1/4 the price of BOSE. You majorly suffer from what psychologists like to call, the placebo effect when you listen to BOSE speakers.

Just so you can stop the shit talking, here's a picture of an actual BOSE car speakers...

Here's an awesome car subwoofer they make for a caddy...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-Cadillac-BOSE-12-Subwoofer-Speaker_W0QQi temZ8004047419QQcategoryZ38647QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Take not the material used in the cone (nothing more than cardboard), and the basically non-exsistent motor structure. Yeah, real great quality.

Factory Z06 system...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-Factory-BOSE-complete-Speaker-System-C5 -Z06-NR_W0QQitemZ8003816421QQcategoryZ38646QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Take notice again to the incredibly cheap materials used in the construction of the speaker and again the shoddy work done on the motor structure.

Stock Chevy setup...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GM-Chevy-Bose-Speaker-System-6-5-5-25-Tweete rs-2005_W0QQitemZ7999927338QQcategoryZ38646QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Again notice the same shitty cone material used, a little better motor structure but nothing better than a pair of $19.99 Jensens has.

Now here are some REAL aftermarket speakers...

http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=15026< br /> Notice the craftsmanship put into this setup (yes it actually has a decent non-passive crossover). That's a titanium/aluminum hybrid cone on the woofer and the tweeter is also titanium

Want to check out some REAL subwoofers? Go here...click on products, then subwoofers.

http://www.reaudio.com/html/


Let me further add this, when we took out the BOSE setup in my fathers RL and put the speakers to a sine-wave test (I believe it was 20-50hz). We hooked them up to several amps to see how much power they could really take and this is what we found out. We hooked the 6x9's up to my T-320 (85rms to each one) and they smoked within 25 seconds, those are 6x9s!!! The 5.25" we hooked up to my friends little Directed amp that put out 35rms per speaker and those took a whopping minute 20sec to blow. Still feeling lucky we tried the 6.5" on the same 35rms amp and those blew in right under 2 minutes. So not only do they sound like crap compared to real speakers (notice all BOSE puts in there car speakers is cardboard cones, crappy surrounds and weak motors) but they cant handle any decent amount of power for any length of time, which means most of all, they couldnt get loud at all.

posted by  thunderbird1100

Not trying to argue or anything, but I drove my grandparent's Aurora with a Bose system and I was impressed. Course, that system was designed specifically for that car.

posted by  hondaman

I love my Aftermarket system:

Alpine Type-R 6.5's front and 6x9's rear
Pioneer 80mp Headunit customly hooked up to my ignition
Rockford 900watt Amp
2 12" Rockford punch z's subwoofers

though i do work at best buy so i got it all for pretty cheap. :thumbs:

posted by  GonnaDie4TheGov

I got the JVC headunit...really old model i dun even know the number
Jensen 120 watt 6 1/2" front 2-way
Jensen 150 watt 6x9" rear 2-way
thats all
sounds nice
good bass good vocals
im happy
cost me under 250 for the whole setup installed
did the headunit myself :)

posted by  6000LE

I have the stock Honda 1108 six speaker stereo system with 6 disc CD changer in the trunk. And it sounds just fine to me.

posted by  hondaman

As long as you like it thats the main point.

posted by  6000LE

Exactly. :thumbs:

posted by  hondaman

Bose in car audio = shit. I would take JVC speakers before that, hell, even Ultimate, and that says alot.

Bose home audio is as you said, pretty crappy. the only thing they have going for them is high end, and their size.

You can't get midrange out of those speakers though, its impossible.

Sidenote - I prefer Polk for home audio, when you dont want to spend way to much money.

posted by  dodgerforlife

I just forgot to mention Polk, they also make a mean set of entry level speakers in home audio. Midrange is pretty good in the bigger BOSE setup (the ones with 2.5"-3" drivers). The highs are just okay, definately lacking mid-bass as none of their systems have anything bigger than a 3" driver (for the main speakers) and then their subwoofers use extremely smallish 5.25" woofers (either two or three) for just bass, which is just dumb. Their "upgrade" Bose systems that some car manufacturers offer at a premium price sound pretty awful to my ears. Polk makes a pretty good set of entry level/mid-range components (the MOMO series, not dB). The MOMO car sub sounds nice but doesnt get all that loud and is pretty dated in design. Doesn't handle a lot of power either from my experience and others. But definatley a fine SQ woofer.

posted by  thunderbird1100

This is isn't exactly on subject but since we're talking about sound systems, I decided to ask. Thunderbird, you seem to be the audio system specialist from what I've seen around here. So, I have a question. On my recently installed system, I have one minor problem. For some reason when I gain speed and go fast, it gets louder. When I slow down or stop, it gets quieter. This isn't a major problem but I'm just wondering what's the matter. Thanks in advance!

posted by  Nissan_Altima

what deck do you have???


some decks now come with built in microphones to detect the external sounds around you - engines revving, wind noise, a semi passing you, shit like that, and it will automatically turn the volume up - normalize the volume for the sound around you. vice-versa for when it gets quieter, it realizes that you don't need it as loud, and adjusts it accordingly - theres probably a way to disable that, look in the deck manual...

posted by  dodgerforlife

oh thunderbird - you should got look in my domestics thread about my car pics - i mentioned my new setup - focal polyglass components, access 6x9s, access 11" subs, audison amps.

posted by  dodgerforlife

It comes in the 02-06 Altimas :thumbs:

posted by  99integra

It could be a few problems here...

Your sound imaging could be off (which is it is in most vehicles, even in mine but im taking care of that with a new more powerful front stage setup). IT could be like dodger said about the HU purposely detecting more exterior noise and turning itself up, although many HU's dont do this, some do. I dont know about yours.

posted by  thunderbird1100

I'm getting a new front stage for my accord. Replacing the front Diamonds with CDT CL62DL's and im going to power them with an Orion 6002 amp (About 185rms real watts per channel). If you are looking for sound quality the Focal stuff is great although you could go with some CDT components and save a little money ofver the polyglass which are from what i hear some of the best in the industry right now. The CL62DL's are nice (handle 180rms, have a good mid, great tweeter and awesome x-over). They are only $199 at thezeb.com. Plus CDT offers some sick 3-way setups. Personally I loved the sound of the 5.25" polyglass setup, but for the price I thought the CL62DL's i heard were a little clearer, and definatley louder (they handle more than twice the power the polyglass' do).

As for subs, I would recommend a XXX but that seems to be out of the price range, nothing beats the XXX in SQ except for quite possibly the IDMAX and the twice as expensive W7. Since it seems your budget for the 10s are ~$400/$200 a sub. I suggest looking at some...

Eclipse Aluminums http://69.93.14.227/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=1993

Image Dynamics IDQ's http://69.93.14.227/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=2033

(IF you really want the best though, GET the IDMAX)

MB Quart Premium http://69.93.14.227/index.cfm?fuseaction=page.display&page_id=14&mfg_accoun t_ID=9&category_id=23

posted by  thunderbird1100

ermmm, it's actually the polyglass v1's that i'm getting, and audio warehouse is hooking me up bigtime - because I said I would go pure focal, we bargained that I would attend their events locally to promote it(couple of sales/demos per year), and i would get a nice discount for it. the only reason I chose the access subs is because two 11"s would still outpound twin 12"s from another company(ie - clarion pros, which i like better then alpines, lightning, sony, rockford, or the kickers), and i'm not looking for something extremely loud.

I've heard essentially the same setup, in a similar style of car(cabin space/trunk space), only with less power being fed to the speakers, using an SRx5 amp. I'd be running seperate amps, SRx3 for the fronts/subs, SRx2 for the rears. More then enough power to throw at them :)

Polyglass 6.5" components power range is from 70-140
Access 6x9" are two ways, 75-150
Access 11" subs are 400-800

the audison amps throw plenty of power, and they are quite well designed - ever used them?

posted by  dodgerforlife

Oh, if you're sponsered then hell go with that chit.

NEver used Audison amps (Still wont shell out that much money for amps...yet). Seen them in many SQ comps. before though. My "Top of the line amps that I would buy" list includes Orion, Crossfire and maybe Zapco one day...

Seems like the main sub winning all the SQ comps around here is the IDMAX, always gets incredibly next to perfect scores. Those things are just so tight and accurate. Maybe one day if I want to go more SQ than SPL i'll splure $300 for one.

posted by  thunderbird1100

I must say I disagree with you Tbird ... one of my mate's dad is an audio engineer, and he uses a lot of bose gear for big applications, and gets quality results out of them.

I don't know anything about their car, home theatre or computer speaker applications, but from the ones I've seen ... they're certainly not crap!!!

posted by  windsonian

I will grant that some of the bose pro audio/studio equipment is rather excellent...

posted by  dodgerforlife

There is still better stuff out there for massive business applications than BOSE. But they seem to be a choice to go to in that market. I never addressed that market though, only OUR consumer market do they put out overpriced shit in. I havent even really checked into their non-mass market stuff, as I've never needed anything in that category.

Both dodger and I can easily come to the conclusion that i nthese markets...

Consumer Home Theater
Car Audio
Computer Speakers

They are definatley are not on the top 10 list of what's desired by audiophiles like ourselves.

Now dodger, correct me if i am wrong. But have you ever seen a BOSE application in ANY vehicle ever win a sound quality or SPL competition? I have not.

posted by  thunderbird1100

Heh, if I was going for a large scale application, I'd probably go with an EV X-array. The only thing I might use Bose for is for like a business convention, where you have key speakers....they do have some nice speakers for that..



But you are correct, I have never seen Bose win anything. It's always been brands like Planet Audio, Kicker, or if done correctly, Pioneer Premier. (This is all spl, I haven't seen any sql comps around here :( )

posted by  dodgerforlife

Eclipse, Zapco, Morel, CDT, A/D/S, Image Dynamics, Resonant Engineering and Soundsplinter are a few stuff I've seen win some SQL comps. Resonant Engineering has the best of both SQ and SPL worlds with the XXX (more SQL based) and the MT (more SPL based). Have you heard that they discontinued the XXX a month or so back and are coming out with a new XXX by the end of the year. They have a prototype video of it doing 5" of xmax, you can see the video of it on realmofexcursion.com under RE Audio and under Prototype. Supposedly this is going to be close to the end product of the new XXX.

posted by  thunderbird1100

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