What is Japan's muscle or highest performance car? What is Japan's
Corvette? GTO? Cobra? post/debate! I am gonna say the skyline probably,
since that get's all the hype, along with the supra? I am just
curious.....and trying to start an interesting post/debate!
my personal favourite jap car would be any of the mitsubishi evo range...
I would say for you to talk about Japan's muscle cars you need to have a V8
period. 4 cylinder's w/turbo and 6 cylinder's w/twin's or rotary's
w/twin's are nice and all...but muscle to me means V8.
Present day and now...I would say the Infiniti M45 is a muscle car in the sense that it has a pretty big V8 and is RWD. Yes, it's a luxury car but Japan really doesnt make 2 seater V8 coupe's.
I'd say the supra would be considered a japanese "muscle" car, but japs usually like to build cars that rev.
what about the nizzan 350z... its a jap car with an american engine! muscle car but only because of the engine!
If you wanted to get liberal...I would say the only Muscle Cars out of Japan are the Supra and Skyline. Both of them have made over 1300whp so I think that's saying something. Of course that's not stock internals...but...it's really the fastest motors and cars out there.
Datsun 240Z is what I considered the Japanese muscle car.
Datsun and Nissan Z's...Supras...all heavy and "muscly".
Foreign muscle cars?? It is hard to find many V8s in hybrids. :thumbs:
Nah the 240z didnt have anything to do w/muscle. It had 150 hp and was made really in the image of the Jaguar E-Type. A good looking car w/decent power (for it's time) that could handle and was affordable.
muscle isnt about horsepower, its about the sound, that low gurgling rumble
from a v8 that sacres all the little children, not the high whiny noise
from a trubo 4. i think alot of the twined v6's are the closest to a jap
muscle car, the fairlady (that was a v6 right, cant recall exactly), and
the insanely heavy vr4 3kgt (not jus cuase its my car, but it dosent have
that whiny noise most tt's have, it sounds more like a car)
if a car sounds like an r/c car when it hits 1kWHP, no way in hell should it ever be considered msucle
I personally love the sound of a whiny 100whp car...cause that whine means there is a GIGANTIC turbo in there.
so very true, im not saying i dont liek those cars, its just there not a
muscle, if you get what im saying.
for instance, when i move to college, i plan on buying a nice 2g eclipse and plan on moding it so i can slapp on a 20g turbo :hi: vroom vroom
I would say the closest thing Japan has to a Muscle car is the Infiniti G35 if you count it as Japanese. Its got 280-298 horsepower on a rear-drive, two door coupe that sounds pretty muscular.
Soudns like an FX35/45
Yeah, the FX is based on the same platform and uses the same 3.5 V6, but is a crossover. Wouldn't that be sweet seeing the FX45's 4.5 V8 in the G coupe? Now that would be the perfect Japanese muscle car.
what about the lexus sc 300 or sc 330
Well I don't know what defines a Japanese muscle car, but I would suspect that any boyracer with a production corvette or mustang would get a little squirmy if a production Godzilla pulled up next to him at the lights.
There never was an SC330. I think you mean SC430.
American muscel cars all had Three things in common. rear wheel drive. Big V8 motor. and a nasty grunt when you gave it he juice. I don't know of any jap cars that actually meet that criteria,. but I would say that the M45 is about the closest. It's rear wheel drive, has the V8 and it sounds alright. It really does'nt have the muscle car grunt and growl of a big block but its not bad.
I would say a Supra or perhaps the new GT-R prototype:
I'd have to say that the market in Japan and the U.S. is quite different.
The Japanese have never been much for V8's, the only V8's they've really
produced were destined for the American market... to compete with our
existing V8's (there will be some exceptions, this is just a broad
generalization so I can get cut up for it). Calling the M45 a muscle car
is a huge stretch, it's like saying the original Cadillac V16 was a muscle
car. Just because it's got a big engine doesn't make it a muscle car.
I must say that Japan's muscle cars fall under a different classification and are ruled by Godzilla and the Supra, both of which are coupes with big power, RWD/AWD, manual transmission, make their way onto many young peoples' wall in the form of posters, and strike fear into the heart of fellow racers (sanctioned).
ya my bad thanks... i was thinking of actually buying one but both the V8 and V6 eat a lot of gas
What about the NSX?...
There's a good bit of Japanese V6's...:hi:
what do you mean by that? it's a pure nissan VQ35DE... or do you just mean
the "style" and "feel" of it?
either way, can ya elaborate?
Pretty sure he was just confused about the 350Z, not realizing that
versions of that motor have been around for quite some time.
You'd be hard pressed to call the an NSX a muscle car anywhere, that's more like a Japanese Ferrari... not a muscle car. It's a high strung V6 that generates little torque and decent HP... due to its high rpm range.
The NSX is I guess more of an exotic, but what about an RX-7/8?
most reviews of that car over here have said it feels and sounds like an american car...
Skyline and Supra
i think thats VERY contradictory... import muscle? nahh, imo no such thing. and if dem asians did make a muscle car... i would spit on it...
Yeah right, you would spit on a VH45DE with 20psi coursing through it; an
RB26DETT reliably running 750kW.
You really should broaden your horizons and actually go for a drive in one the Jap powerhouses.... you may be quite delighted with the performance, most people are.
honda crx :laughing: kidding....... japanese people are more into good over-all performance e.g. corners... well that's my :2cents:
oh mate i'd say that the 350z would be japans muscle car. but yeah probably the skyline could be too.
yeah, thats what most of the other people said
honda should make a 500hp 5.0 litre v8 with vtec
that would be cool
that would be cool, in something similar to the nsx
or japan's corvette? :hi:
Toyota has already developed a 500hp v8 for their Supras in GT500 and Mugen has a 4litre V8. It'll only be a matter of time...
The Aussies have really been the only country outside the US to deliver
factory musclecars. A Musclecar was an intermediate or full size
coupe/sedan with an inexpensive, but powerful V8, designed primarily for
drag racing or oval track. Even the most expensive of hem was dirt cheap
(when new) in comparison to exotics or high end sports machines. The
primary point was to deliver high hp to the masses at a low price.
There were a couple of exceptions, of course, with cars like the ZL1 powered Chevy's and a few of the Hemi powered Mopars getting into higher prices (though still cheaper than the exotics), and with cars like the Buick Grand National running a turbo V6 instead of the V8 (but to be honest, the Grand National came well after the musclecar era was officially declared dead).
Japan never really made a musclecar, and neither has anyone in Europe (the AMg Mercedes come close, except that being affordable power was never part of their description).
couldnt agree more
give it another year or so......
First car to come to mind is the 350z.
The lancer evo is probably better because it has more torque for a similarly weighed vehicle, but the 350z has the look to it also.
In a sense i feel many of the high-perf japanese cars can be considered
"muscle", if you use the original definition of muscle. Muscle cars were
cheap, small-to-midsize models stuffed with big engines and sold cheap.
Remember the original GTO was simply a Tempest with a big-block, and most
of the most famous muscle cars had much slower and more "basic"
Think of it this way:
The Evo and Sti simply started as high-perf versions of the basic Lancer and Impreza, respectively
The Skyline GT-R was really a high-perf version of the basic Nissan Skyline in Japan (even though the Skyline was more a luxury car than most "imports")
The Supra was basically a hopped-up Celica when it first started
If you think about it, many high-perf japanese cars started from basic people carriers.
STi, Evo IX, RX-7 R, VR-4, Supra, Skyline GT-R, NSX R, 300zxTT,
350Z...ect... (Powerhouse of the Japanese automotive industry) These can be
considered Japanese muscle because "muscle" is an opinion. Some say the
modern day GTO and corvette are muscle cars while others claim that the
muscle era was late 60's to early-mid 70's. Probally the best way to break
it down would be to have
Classic American Muscle
Modern American Muscle
Modern Japanese Muscle
They are working on it. It will be the NSX replacement due here between 2007-2008. Search NSX replacement in google and see what comes up.
Yep, the new nsx is gonna look awesome. (The old one looks like crap)
you must be kidding :laughing:
Well...it is a fast bitch :wink2:
toyota gt2000 - true japanese muscle, though it may not be the fastest, but
if it wasnt for this car, supras, toyotas, 6cylinder cars all togather
would have never existed
until someone else would have come up with the idea :laughing: ,
id say any fast jap car is their muscle car! (if you know what i mean?)
Since opinion is king, then we can toss facts and classifications out the
window. It's my opinion the WRX is a pickup truck. And guess what? I can't
be wrong, 'cause I said it's my opinion! Why should we stick with the old
definitions of pickup truck? Things change, and it's my opinion that the
WRX (and EVO) are pickups now.
Does that sound about right?
There were other performance cars in the days of the musclecar that were not musclecars. Many were faster than musclecars, but they were't musclecars. Once you figure out why, then you'll understand why cars like teh EVO, WRX, and 350Z, while performance cars, aren't musclecars.
Just for fun, a turbo Neon owning a turbo civic...that neon happens to be at a local shop called RevItUp Motorsports and belongs to Ray the owner
Another vid of it
I meant you must be kidding, you just said supra
but its all been covered many times in this thread alone
I can classify a pickup truck and a sport compact sedan. How do you classify a classic american muscle car vs a similar dated american performance car...It is like saying saying the STi, Evo, SRT-4 ect... are "tuner cars." I could possibly find data to support that these are a popular choices to upgrade, but there is no clear cut fact or specification to prove they are "tuner cars." My point is that the terms "muscle" "tuner" are not based off of any kind of spec. The terms "pick-up", "sedan", "coupe", and "hatchback" are based off a specification. No offense but when you can post clear cut specs of a muscle car, I will give you the props but untill then, you are just rambling to us all.
Here we go again... Flamewar number 3,480,732,821,098.5
Can I have some of that :pop: please?:laughing:
Can you? It's all opinion, as those terms don't have definitions on spec
sheets, especially when some of the things you might want to use aren't
universal (like on the Subaru Brat and Honda Ridgeline).
I mean, is the Ford Lightning a sports car? 2 seat, 2 door, V8 RWD, lowered factory suspension designed for handling. Very little towing capacity. Yeah, it has a separate frame, but so does a Trimph Spitfire.
I already did that. A muscle car was a domestic intermediate or full size car with a V8 designed for drag racing or circle track. The '55-56 Dodge D500 was the first to get named that way, the Tempest GTO was the first to popularize it and defined/set the standards for the rest. The original Cobra, like the Corvette, used muscular engines, but were desgned for a different target. Neither were full size or intermediate sedans being factory created for drag racing and/or circle track.
Pony cars (so named for the most popular of them, the Mustang, even though it wasn't the first) were compacts with V8s designed for drag racing and road racing.
The EVO and Subaru don't have inexpensive, but powerful V8s, and aren't designed from the factory for drag racing or circle track. They are, however, designed for rallye, making them sport sedans, in the tradition of numerous sport sedans of the past, such as the BMW 2002, Fiat 131 Abarth, and Lancia Delta Integrale. Those cars were not musclecars, but high performance (for their day) sport sedans for road race and rallye use.
Performance cars, all, and fast for their day, but not a one of them is a musclecar, though they are all sedans.
If you think it's all about rambling, and you don't care to learn anything, then why are you here?
The Subaru Brat is classified as a compact pickup. The Honda Ridgeine is
classified as a full size pickup...:screwy:
Is this a widely understood and agreed upon definition? Like I said...what makes a tuner car, a tuner car? Small cheap engine? Easily modifiable? Sub Compact to Compact size/light weight?Is a Geo Metro a tuner car?...I am not saying you are wrong, what I am saying is that you are not 100% right. Muscle, nomatter which way you want to look at it, is opinion. For example, when did the "muscle" era exactly end? Is there such thing as modern muscle? There were no v6 muscle cars!?! Classifications are classifications i.e. trim and spec. "Muscle" is neither of these...
all u guys r forgeting one main thing muscle cars were known for their coke bottle styling and their engines which boasted immense raw power and muscle cars got their title less for the specs they offered but for the feeling they gave when u look at them or when the engine was ignited the imposing vibrationrs u get so for every person there maybe a diffrent car as a muscle