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2008 Honda Civic MUGEN Si
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30k for about 200hp and fwd. I'll...pass. There are so many other cars
I'd rather have. Is anyone here interested?
What
I like the car, but yeah, with the $10,000 I'd save by buying a stock one,
I could customize it to appeal to me. I like the subtle changes though.
chris_knows
same general opinion over here
It looks pretty good and I bet its pretty fun to drive for a front
wheeler
but its hilarious how it costs $5000+ more than a 300hp rwd mustang
im sure I could think of more cars that clearly offer much more bang for
the buck but im tired as hell
nighthawk
I saw this before and I wasnt impressed. you are basically paying the 10k
for exclusivity. itl make a bit more than 200 with the exhaust, but not
enough to warranty the price difference. Its one of those things that
hardcore honda fanatics will buy just to have, thats all
newyorker
Hondas are slow
Enthusiast
Never too keen on Mugen, I'd just import a Type-R from Japan. Suspension
is already stiff enough on the Type-R. I prefer this over the triangulated
Civic we get in the UK though.
fudge
lol thats a bold statement..any proof to that?
newyorker
Im actually not a biased person at all but the most powerful honda in
history(stock) had less than 350 hp im pretty sure
most people would say NSX but im actually thinking the new honda legend
not counting trucks ethier
actually yeah im counting the trucks too :orglaugh:
nighthawk
power isnt everything...my buddy took his s2000 to the track ran a 14.0
stock...not bad for a 2 liter
newyorker
hondas are slow if you want real speed and performance, they are nothing
comparing to bmw m series, nissan nismo devision, barabus team from
mercedes and others, and yeah no way anyone is gonna pay that much for a
civic, car is not gonna sell well in US thats for sure.
07exlv6
They're only selling 1,000...They've probably already all been pre-ordered.
chris_knows
oh i didnt know only 1,000, i just thought they gonna market it like they
did the si
07exlv6
It's a limited edition of the Civic, it'll hold it's price better than a
normal Civic because it is sought after. Not to mention it'll be a great
car for the track days.
And no Hondas are not slow.
fudge
I'll take mine over any of the new ones, especially that one.
30K? Man the car I could buy with 30K...it would not be that.
jedimario
2 liter is a coke size not a motor size.:orglaugh:
14s are still slow, and about the NSX, Ive ran one and they are pretty
quick stock, and they hook extremely well, but the aftermarket and
potential isnt there, even NSX owners will tell you that, these cars HATE
boost.
The thing that makes me hate them is the price. Way overpriced for what
they are, but a solid car overall.
I still believe hondas are slow outside of street bikes and a 500cc 2
stroke honda motor in a whoever made it, frame.
Enthusiast
you can get a used NSX for about 30k...yes its old, but still an amazing
car. 14s might be slow, but not for a 2 liter
newyorker
The Evo Lancer VIII runs 13.5's stock. Even better for a 2.0 lol.
chris_knows
yea but remember the evo is turbocharged
newyorker
Yeah but remember the S2000 seats only 2. lol.
chris_knows
true..
newyorker
Still slow sorry. Im content with a 12 but would prefer 11s atleast. You
need alot of power around here to be at all competitive.
Enthusiast
For 30K you could get a used C5 z06. Faster better looking and it has a CD
player. haha, oh and plus way more potential.
Enthusiast
long time since ive been here... but, mugen civ is cool, but id rather keep
it right with the hatch type r...
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way sexy-er
mazda6man
Ive kinda always wanted to build a badass NA honda motor to go into a
stripped body with nothing in it. Something like an old hatch or a del sol
but never got around to it. Someone gave me a D series a while back and I
was gonna mod it slightly and then spray the hell out of it til it went
BOOM but a buddy needed it so I gave it to him.
Could you use a S2000 drivetrain (tranny back) and swap it into like a
hatch or something to make it RWD, What motors outside of the F20C will
mate up to the S2000s M6?
Enthusiast
you could always make a mid engine honda...some guy swapped i think an h22
into his integra in the middle and it was RWD
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=981613&page=1
newyorker
or if you want a nice car, get the s2000...not everyone cares about how
much power they can make, speed isnt everything there is to life..be a bit
more open minded
newyorker
Uhm well I like fast cars and cars are a big part of my life, and dont go
the practically route, ESPECIALLY with an S2000:banghead:
Enthusiast
yea i know...i duno compared to a c5 corvette the s2000 feels more
refined...i duno if you understand what i mean
newyorker
Definetly not.
Ive driven both and driven both hard. I prefer the Z0 in every category
except maybe cool gadgets in the interior.
Better mileage
More potential
Drives better
Faster
I thought it was more comfortable but that doesnt mean much I prefer stiff
cars
Better looks
Reliabilty
Enthusiast
uhmm y would i compare a c5 corvette to the s2000, doesnt seem fair of
course c5 is a killer
07exlv6
Dont get me wrong if it was up to me I would take the c5 z06, the s2000
just has a nicer feel to it i duno how to explain it..here is a sexy vette
from a local club
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newyorker
thats freakin hot, love the slr camera
07exlv6
speaking of vettes i might have said this before or i might not have but
this is one of my favorite cars ever
http://www.joby.se/corvette/div/corvette_wheels/95zr1.jpeg
http://vettenet.org/graphics/big/90zr1.jpg
it just doesnt look dated, maybe if you compare it to the new vettes, but
it doesnt look like its as old as it is styling wise, just like the 300zx
newyorker
Gotta love the KOH.
LT5 = greatest engine ever
Enthusiast
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Speedway white and Red notchbacks are some of the prettiest cars ever
Enthusiast
only cheap wine comes in 5 litres :mrgreen:
GreekWarrior
PWNED!!!
newyorker
Meh, I personlly love the way the S2000 looks. I've never been crazy over
the 'Vette though. Exceptthe C4 ZR-1 :drool:
jedimario
I dont get it. I hate mustangs as much as I hate ricers.
Enthusiast
I think he meant big displacement in general
newyorker
And that response demonstrates perfectly what I mean in this post
(http://www.car-forums.com/talk/showthread.php?p=250246#post250246). You
ingnorant little twat. How can you hate an inanimate object? Maybe, just
maybe, if you were able to pull your head out of your ass for a little
while and grow up, to mature to the level of the average seventh grader,
you'd realize just exactly how stupid you sound when you make comments like
that.
Remember junior, you're an American. You have the right to remain silent.
Unfortunately for those around you, you don't have the ability. STFU!
vwhobo
does anyone have a pic of a ZR-1 with the c6 z06 wheels?? do they even bolt
up??
newyorker
yea i wont buy it
newyorker
Still hate mustangs :orglaugh:
Oh and volkswagens are slow:clap:
Enthusiast
Oh and new yorker Ive got a pic of a Zr1 on Z06s they fit but they rub, so
only a couple of people have done it. I know one guy ripped a fender fromt
he rubbing but they still look amazing, let me find it.
Enthusiast
http://www.pnwzr1.net/Robert/Z06%20wheels/PA140047resz.jpg
Id really like them in the graphite color on a red car
To work correctly you would need a ~1" spacer for the rear (stock Z06
rear)
And a knock front Z06 wheel with correct offset, which can be had
Enthusiast
cant u just roll the fenders? thats what normally ppl do when there is
rubbing
07exlv6
No you cannot
Enthusiast
im assuming the wheel is just too wide for the wheelwell??
newyorker
i was curious and talked to some local muscle car guys on my forum and they
said with a slight fender roll and modified bump stop they fit
perfectly....
07exlv6
This right here is why you have been and will continue to be treated just
like what you are... A stupid, thickheaded, too smart to learn anything
child. What part of "No you cannot" don't you understand.
You and your "local muscle car guys" don't have a clue, and don't have any
intention of getting one. Go back to the other forum and ask them to
explain to you in great detail, so you can come back here and explain it to
us, just exactly how they propose to roll the fenders on a fiberglass
bodied car.
That's what I thought. Now STFU. Moron.
vwhobo
Crap software!
vwhobo
So, hobo, are VWs still slow? :laughing:
jedimario
now and always
newyorker
Perhaps my lack of "car knowledge" is the problem here, but I fail to see
how your economy sedan with double the budget can keep up.
Learning how to think before typing/talking might be useful. Hell, learning
how to think, period, might be useful.
Nissan_Altima
Thats what they do in the back of 4th gens when running a wide 315 (some
companies 315s dont require alot of work)
Relocate the bump stop, BFH mod (BIg ****in Hammer used to beat inner
fender in slightly) and rolling the fender.
C4s have glass fenders like hobo said and you cant "roll" them, also by
looking at the pic you can see how extremely off the front offset is.
People are just buying knock Off Z0 in a 40mm (I think) and running those,
its not worth tearing up a Zr1 panel, they are VERY expensive and VERY hard
to find
Enthusiast
I was just busting his balls but OK smartass...do you even know what those
numbers mean...do you know the difference between 14 seconds at 125mph and
12 seconds at 125mph...can you give me an answer as to why there is a 2
second difference but same trap speed...my car cant keep up i never said it
could. Perhaps if you took your own advice you wouldnt come out of this as
a noob, but prove me wrong. Answer my questions without having to google
it.
newyorker
oh ok got it, learn something new everyday, and a far as homo goes (hobo) i
am completely ignoring him.
07exlv6
I prefer to egg him on...its fun to see a grown ass man arguin with
teenagers like its #1 on his agenda..oh wait, it is :banghead:
newyorker
Not exactly Twinkie. Let’s try the facts this time... Something I know
you have a strong aversion to.
Way back, a long time ago, teenagers were smart enough to know that they
could learn useful information from old timers. Its how all kinds of
skills, trades, arts and knowledge were passed along for centuries. You
see, we knew that by extracting their hard earned experience and years of
knowledge we could become smarter and more experienced faster and with
fewer mistakes.
We also knew our place, we knew not to speak unless spoken to, how to say
yes sir, how to show respect. Guys like me were sweeping the floor at race
shops at the age of 7 or 8, just to around the cars and the people
(including my father, uncles and older cousins) and felt lucky to do so.
As we got older and proved that we could shut up and learn, we were lucky
enough to start helping with minor things on the cars. Then when we
demonstrated our ability to follow directions, we were given minor tasks to
complete. The process went on for years until we had the knowledge and
experience to do it for ourselves. In some cases we're now doing it FOR
those older guys and showing them new technology. What we never do though
is to forget how we learned and who took the time to teach us, not just
about being a gearhead, but also about life and how to live it honorably.
We’re smart enough to know that we owe those old guys a huge debt of
gratitude.
Fast forward to today.
The world is full of little punk ass twats like you that think because they
read something on the internet, they’ve become subject matter experts.
Because you have the almost absolute anonymity of the internet, you think
you can say anything you want without repercussion. Because you’ve been
ignored by your parents and any other adult that could be deemed a good
role model, you don’t know how to act. Your life is pathetic but because
you have no direct comparison with how life should be lived, no moral,
intellectual or ethical compass, you don’t know how to change. Pity
you.
At the age of 7 or 8, you were watching TV and playing video games while
your parents did something other than spend time with you. When you got
older, you were still ignored, maybe even neglected. You never learned how
to interact with people, you never set a goal in life, and you never had
any hands on experiences. Your life now revolves entirely around the
internet… It’s where you go to “learn” things, it’s a completely safe
place where you go to be an e-thug, it’s where you go to shoot your mouth
off and act as though you have something to contribute. While you’re here
and elsewhere being Mister Badass, the online idiot, life is passing you
by. I may not have your situation nailed 100%, but I'm damn close and you
know it.
So yeah, I have an agenda. I honestly try to help people learn, to
instruct them, to guide them in the things that I know best, cars. That's
MY reason for being a member of a car forum in the first place.
Unfortunately, you and people like you have proven time and time again that
you’re either unable or unwilling to learn. You’re imbeciles and not worth
another nanosecond of my time. And your life for as long as you live will
be poorer for it. The thing that scares me the most, is that when you
finally find a woman that you don’t have to pay for sex, you’ll breed. And
then we’ll have another generation of imbeciles. I’d say think about it,
but that would be a waste. Most likely you haven’t even bothered to read
it.
Have a nice day.
vwhobo
That doesn't mean you're leaving does it? :laughing:
jedimario
Interesting speech, but you say you try to help people learn...when is the
last time you helped someone here. All you have done is bashed members and
argued with me and other people instead of using your automotive knowledge
to help people...you just wait for someone else to say sometihng and then
you question them on it providing no real help...
newyorker
What a child. All your comebacks are the exact same thing. "I can fix this
and that and you can't." "Do you even know what x, y, and z are?". I never
said I'm a mechanic. I have no trouble keeping my mouth shut and not
responding when I know little of what I'm saying. That's why I average .80
posts a day. I'd prefer to keep my mouth shut instead of saying something
to prove that I have no clue. That's the lesson you should learn.
To answer your question, if I were to guess, I would say that there are a
lot of possibilities. Some launch better than others. Some shift better
than others. That could certaintly sum up to a 2 second difference with the
same trap speed.
Maybe that's completely wrong. But at least I have enough common sense to
know when to talk and when to not talk. I could ask you a million questions
about other things that you wouldn't answer with 20 search engines, but
since this is a car forum, I'll refrain. Better to not talk then waste
space with answers such as...:
...and telling people to roll fiberglass fenders.
Genius, who tells a mechanic that THEIR car is unreliable. Would you try to
convince an experienced compgeek that their computer sucks?
Nissan_Altima
Look about 11 posts up in this thread. Is that recent enough for you? I
said teach and instruct, not spoon feed Twinkie.
vwhobo
I actually wasnt the one to tell anyone to roll fiberglass, I know better
than that...you on the other hand probbably have no idea WHY fiberglass
cant be rolled yet you try to use it as an argument...just stop
newyorker
I see nothing. By the way you have been using the word Twinkie for years
now. Get with the times you cockjockey.
newyorker
Good insults, like good music, are timeless. "Twinkie" is like the Queen
of insults, while "cockjockey" could be seen as the Fall Out Boy.
Whether you like "cockjockey" or Fall Out Boy, you lose, because they both
suck (literally). I pity the fool who likes both.
jedimario
What are you Mr. T?? Twinkie is a queen just like vwhomo
newyorker
The band, imbecile.
jedimario
I know who they are I have a cd of their music. Whos the imbecile
now...:fu:
newyorker
oooh.... I know.... pick me... pick me!!!!!
windsonian
ohhh god....
07exlv6
Nothing's changed, it's still you.
jedimario
NewYorker is boring. Yawnnnnnwwnannnwnnwwwnn...
Repeat repeat repeat.
Yaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnnaaawwnnanannan
NewYorker, you are one boring muthaf*cka. Your arguements are boring, your
car pictures, your lies...every post you make is skippable. You are a
boring member...and you post so much!
What
...Haven't you read his sig? He's CF's most controversial member. You
should be asking him for tips.
Speaking of controversy, there haven't been any rap battle threads deleted
recently lol. I just wrote one, but I don't know if I want to start another
war here.
chris_knows
Performance Data for the Mugen
Price: $31,000.00
Curb Weight: 2930lb
Horsepower:202hp
Torque: 139lb-ft
0-60mph: 6.9sec
0-100mph: 17.1 sec
0-150mph: no
1/4 mile: 15.2sec@93.4mph
200ft skidpad: .92g
700ft slalom: 68.6 mph
What
too expensive..only 5 more horsepower. still not bad for a 2 liter
newyorker
LOL 12 year old dsm still outdoing the civic hahaha
Spanky2324
yep...crankwalk that bitch to the finish line lol
newyorker
Yep talk s*** because your car is slow and CAN'T handle. Yeah some eclipses
and talons had crankwalk big deal. Were still going faster than you so
don't say anything when you can't back it up.
Spanky2324
A crankwalking DSM will without a doubt make it to the finish line faster
than a 75whp civic, shit I could ride a medium sized dog and go faster than
your car.:fu:
Enthusiast
lol, hemi dodge rams do the 0-60 sprint in the same amount of time
and cost about the same ( I could be wrong, but still)
nighthawk
Sticker on my old one was 35K and we got it for 26K
Enthusiast
lol good one....youve never driven my car, and never will, so yuo can keep
assuming shit.
newyorker
I was comparing it to the Si, not my car...
newyorker
You can pop in a crate LT1 (not sure of the 2 yet) into a 240sx and
supercharge that bish and make 3x the whp than that 30k civic and still
have 5 or more grand to spend on whatever after a new paint job and
interior lol.
You can do soo much with 30k that's just an idea above. I would never
spend that kind of money on a Honda - even a NSX. You can get so much
power with another platform - and hondas, anything done to them are not
original anymore because everyone and their mom has one.
lol my 93 nissan nx2000 bluebird turbo rolls on anything around here - eats
hondas for breakfast and i've only spent 6 grand on it, thats including the
price of the mint condition limited production car itself...
ps - i hate honda because they made every used car price go up and they are
shizzy cars to start with.
their prices are so high because they have to pay for inventory costs for
every single vehicle they pop out of their arse a year. half the crap on a
2007 will not work with a 2006 and so on and so forth - they are a crappy
brand and have crappy ways.
kinyo
Hondas hold their resale value because...oh my god get ready for this, they
are well made quality cars. They are shizzy cars?? wtf i dont even
understand what you are saying.
And furthermore, the 2007 and 2006 civic models are identical, except for
maybe a few small changes made. Try using a word other than crappy to make
a point, otherwise you sound like a rambling 12 year old.
newyorker
newyorker - the genious - i try and not swear :D - ima just call you mr
bondo from now on - i hope you like that.
"oh my god" you say - honda has the largest warehouse line in all of
history that is vehicle PARTS related because they bank on people not being
able to buy used parts - a 2007 breaks down that have to buy 2007 ****ing
parts you MORON. Quality lol you're full of shit newyorker - just because
there are millions of hondas doesn't mean that they are quality cars. dont
be a little bitch because you are too stupid to realize that you are wrong
- ive been on this form not even 12 hours and i now realize why people dont
like you - because you are stupid - i made a point and you go around it
360* - you're ass backwards get your shit straight. honda makes more money
selling new PARTS THAN THEY DO SELLING CARS... and you say its a QUALITY
CAR
**** OFF NEWYORKER - dont reply to me - you are REMEDIAL
Kinyo
kinyo
you may be right that honda sells more parts than cars, in fact probbably
every manufacturer does..idiot
newyorker
Good Lord, is this newb making NYer look good? No, but still. Show me
proof that Honda makes shiTTy cars. Wait, you're just running your mouth?
That's what I thought.
And of course you can buy a used car and mod it and make it faster and
cheaper than a new one. I could build a Ferrari beater for 100K. The idea
of the new cars is that:
A) You get a brand-spankin' new car. A lot of people like that.
B) It's reliable (compared to your average heavily modded car)
C) It's under warranty
D) It's rare/collectable
E) Resale value
I don't care for this particular car, but that doesn't mean I have to be an
ignorant tool.
giant016
Ive driven your lame car. No not with all the oh so fancy suspension mods
and whatnot but it's still slow and can't handle. I've had civics try to
keep up with me through "turns" and anything else that comes along but they
can't keep up what a surprise. Believe me you won't keep up with me or
other members here.
Spanky2324
Hehe I love taking a 60 degree curve goin 30 in mii altima, kinda makes you
shit your pants because it just keeps going straight. :laughing:
99integra
I like honda's, and I like the new si's but if im gonna spend $30k I might
as well go get a Subaru STI or EVO man I love those cars!
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