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Well, just found these forums, and thought id share one of my biggest
project cars with you guys. it gets tons of intereste and looks in many
different ways every way i post it. Figured you'd like to see it too. so
heres a quick catch up of whats been happening to it over the last year
with lots and lots of pictures!!!
Let me start it off with a photoshopped teaser pic, to draw your interest
and make you want to keep reading!
http://a333.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/60/l_63a876e3225bea6f2c92ab69
f3fc1204.jpg
As far as looks:
Basically, im going to jump on this lame "JDM" fad that everyone is so into
right now. Its going to be clean shaven, shaved front and rear side marker
lights, shaved key hole, delete the rear bumper and roll pan it smooth,
delete the front bumper. and make a 1 piece removable fiberglass front end
molded around the Frount mount intercooler. Slammed super low, on some
bronze Wheels, with a very pretty white paint job. Not going to be a plain
basic white, it will have a nice twist to it. Should look pretty clean when
im done. As you will see in the pictures later, this was not my first
intentions... but it is now. ill explain more later.
Suspension Drivetrain and such:
As i said, its going to be dumped on its nuts. should sit only a few inches
off the ground, (sits about 5" right now) it will set on a custom coil over
set up, Custom sway bars, and custom strut bars. I am converting it to
4x100 lug pattern with 4 wheel disc brake set up. Gonna go fast, gotta stop
fast. Since its going to be a "race car" it will have removable traction
bars to help with hooking up, and a lsd tranny. of course, a set of drag
slicks for those trac days.
Engine:
Boosted and built DOHC D16a1. yes dohc D series. not B. for those of you
(seems like most everyone i talk too) yes there is a such thing as a dohc d
series honda motor. it comes from a 86-89 integra, its the same motor as a
ZC. My motor will go threw 3 stages. Stock, Lightly Boosted, BUILT and
boosted. Im starting off with the stock motor just to get things running
and driving and all the other kinks worked out. then almost immediatly ill
jumped to stage 2 of the build and i will boost the stock motor it on 6
pounds. This will allow me to to work out the kinks of making the turbo
fit, start tuning the suspesion and getting everything race ready. After
thats all done, the Build process will begin, with:
Stock Block bored .025 over
Stock Crank
stock head port and Polished.
JGE valve train set
Eagle Rods
Endyn Pistons
Web Camshafts
Skunk2 CamGears
APR hardware
Custom Block Girdle
and boosted on 1.6 Bar (23 psi)
Misc:
Its pretty much going to be a drag car, so roll cage, racing buckets, no
back seat, fuel cell, things like that. But it will be street legal, so it
will have the bare minimum to keep it that way. with a few things like
projector hid head lights, LED tail lights, Custom dash and gauges. And im
sure lots other things that will pop up in the build.
This might be of some interest to you guys too. The Build cost of this car
as of today.
Car = $200
new windshield = $60
Gas to haul it home = $40
Legacy Dash = $0
Rattle Can Primer = $20
Motor/Tranny = $0
engine cleaner to clean up the motor = $5
Sold Stock Motor/Tranny = +$200
Sold Stock Bumpers = +120
Coil Spring Suspension = $45
Expanding Foam = $12
Total invested into the car so far= $62
So lets get the pictures started. and i know i will write a LOT. but if you
actually read it, it should answer any questions you have, i do pretty good
about explaining things.
So this is how i found it, one late rainy night.
http://a793.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/58/l_c89a143b3e1708a4804087e4
e38adb70.jpg
I bought it, and finally brought it home on march 11th, 2007 for 200 bucks.
This is how it sat when i unloaded it off the trailer.
http://a740.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/70/l_26d0422978bc50eeeeaa1732
2c8c6213.jpg
http://a592.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/104/l_51e29151d78bc9a48e9cc6c
902f2b56f.jpg
after a little tear down i started getting ready to pull the stock motor,
and take it down to my shop. which by the way stock motor is a 1.2L with a
max crank HP of about 50... lol yes 50. top speed maybe 80 MPH!!! 1/4 mile
in prob 28+ seconds haha.
http://a80.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/119/l_d2e58067b335e82d991d5860
0ba412bf.jpg
The new motor i got for free. more than doubling the horse power of this
car just from the stock motor swap...
http://a3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/73/l_f622ee8e8578fa64dcb3d1cfec
a4ec5a.jpg
Pulled the stock motor, and started test fitting the D16
http://a863.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/85/l_1f4198909eebfa2f165df80a
5546a516.jpg
SubarusRmyThing
after quite some time i made a lot of progress on it. got it all primered,
the cracked and broken windshield removed. the engine bay hacked up and
bent and made room for the d16 to fit in. while i was cleaning out the shop
to make more room i took some pics while it was sitting out side in some
good light.
http://a654.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/75/l_da5dccd78fbd4359b803074a
8c7f2ed5.jpg
http://a603.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/66/l_42acb32014534f4228be9444
b40a864a.jpg
one thing i wanted to do was make a fiberglass dash to lighten it up some.
to make it easy i was just going to mold it off the stock dash. (you can
see it half finished in the picture above)
http://a191.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/103/l_c35e4b307578b176823c02d
4e9f9689e.jpg
http://a355.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/77/l_5d3712d98fcf7e6025cb7b68
4efb225a.jpg
here it is mostly finished... still pretty ruff, you can see a lot of flaws
in it. but it came quite a ways. and no i didnt make the gauge cluster part
or the air vents, i used the stock ones.
http://a894.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/116/l_382615acdf6da4c7028ebb9
87a6e4d3d.jpg
New windshield i bought for 60 bucks!
http://a273.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/88/l_d2eca95897bd996686782011
e2ec9d98.jpg
one of the many mods.... Nitrous!
http://a687.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/66/l_2946746f1f6c3ad774820224
1635f21e.jpg
SubarusRmyThing
So this is where i said i changed my mind on teh body styling. i was going
to go for a totally custom off the wall show car. but i guess my mind
changed...
So at first i picked up this bumper off a 04 Subaru Forester. This is it
pictured on my GF's 79 civic project. (she is what sparked the inspiration
of this project) (dont worry her daily driver is a 02 wrx wagon thanks to
me lol)
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2593000-2593999/2593622_5
_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2593000-2593999/2593622_4
_full.jpg
as you can see its HUGE! so after a LOT of chopping it up, fitting,
fibgerglassing. this is what it ammounted too..
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2593000-2593999/2593622_1
02_full.jpg
it just wasnt working for me.... didnt like the looks, even though the
photoshop looked awesome, i didnt like it in person.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2593000-2593999/2593622_1
08_full.jpg
i then decided to work on the rear bumper since the front was a failure.
used a 2005 honda civic EX coupe rear bumper.
http://a345.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/79/l_a2d04d9d99e712740354466b
74079360.jpg
coping and fitting...
http://a643.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/98/l_aedce37ca47acc3510c1546e
bb481dfa.jpg
http://a768.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/77/l_c85b7c617f226f225db1cc5b
562183f7.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2593000-2593999/2593622_1
17_full.jpg
SubarusRmyThing
So after finishing the rear bumper. i went threw a couple more, then found
one i thought i was going to like for good this time. 05 Scion TC.
http://a959.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/44/l_d55b1b072809aaee93c46e60
e95c972e.jpg
chopping and fitting.
http://a191.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/45/l_7150485f7f05269d0c4a191a
fa3b7e96.jpg
nearly finished.... just needed some more sanding, and some body like
shaping and it was done.
http://a725.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/49/l_77142a5b205f965a88c84ef6
21308fac.jpg
anyway. last trip i made to my friends collision repair shop, (when i
picked up the tc bumper) i also picked up this beauty. a 2006 Subaru Legacy
dash.
http://a344.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/60/l_2da081fcb1dbdb19128ec335
d0f2f88f.jpg
so after removing the air bag, chopping it up to fit in this tiny car, here
it is.
http://a498.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/20/l_8171d5b7f920a9f765b4314e
591533f1.jpg
and as luck would have it, its even lighter weight than my fiberglass dash.
to fix ill apply one thing layer of fiberglass over it to fix all the cuts
and holes, and then wrap it in vinyl. This dash actually works a LOT better
for what i want, looks, function, weight, its absolutly perfect and was
exactly what i wanted. just wait till its done, you will understand where
im coming from.
SubarusRmyThing
so some time in here i took about a 3 month break from working on this
thing. my baby daughter was born, i was pretty broke, and had no time for
this car... so it sat... and sat and sat. after coming back to the shop i
started looking at it, and after seriously just staring at it for prob a
good hour, i decided it just totally was NOT what i wanted to do to this
classic. so i spent the next hour ripping off a good 100 bucks in
fiberglass materials and countless hours of work.... about that time
someone needed a set of stock springs. so i ripped mine out and let it sit
on the struts.
http://a393.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/23/l_d8a23bb74377990eba7867dc
cebd5630.jpg
http://a721.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/86/l_ec36840ba7139d2715c17ca5
ad789e90.jpg
HAHA
http://a966.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/46/l_44fe8f51e7598113bb6f5d1d
7a9ee305.jpg
http://a100.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/28/l_85530f322ae0aa0ccb22c257
6132bfbb.jpg
http://a428.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/2/l_73f63d8e54f4846f6ccc43994
0baa6eb.jpg
Gotta love these skinny tires... even completely dumped and at FULL turn,
they still have 1" of clearance before any rubbing is going to happen!!
lol.
http://a545.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/77/l_cab42b742da98afc997998bb
a734cbc0.jpg
the car is soooo low that we had to lift the car up by hand to get the lift
out from under it, because it hit the ground before the struts bottomed out
lol. good thing this car is light weight haha.
SubarusRmyThing
so i ordered some coil springs for it to fabricate to fit into the stock
struts.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2593000-2593999/2593622_1
60_full.jpg
This is just going to be a temporary set up. when i have 1000 bucks to blow
on a full set of adjustable coil overs i will and fabricate them into this
car.... but for now. these will work.
So after wondering what i was going to do with my front end now. i found
this car...
http://www.1stgencivic.org/world/c1zr/m1/forum/files/nitrous_civic_053dhdhh
hd_827.jpg
i decided i wanted to do some similar... i liked the nice clean look, kinda
stock looking but still clean. a nice "JDM" look to it. but my problem is
im boosting. i need a front mount intercooler. So after spending about an
hour drawing out sketchs on paper and running ideas threw my head, i had a
plan. and went to work.
First i needed a front mount intercooler to build around. well no way in
hell would i pay hundreds of dollars for one just to ruin in the messy
build process, so i got the dimensions of the one i wanted. and made it out
of boxes. here it is :laughing: :orglaugh:
http://a850.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/47/l_6a9b677df1b2dc9be9b0416a
a6adaf19.jpg
http://a905.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/39/l_ee2e555e1a0b322c370660e4
f3287c48.jpg
27x5.5x2.5
perfect size for this car.
so i got to work on making the mold for the front end. ( i appologize for
the next few pictures. i brought my camera to the shop, but left my memory
card at home... so i had to use my camera phone)
first placing the grill and front mount in place
http://a755.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/62/l_f4a3c757071f5e53e8d60a5b
e209d8ca.jpg
SubarusRmyThing
Then i started filling the gaps with expanding foam (this is what you use
to make the mold, dont look at me like im crazy, its a very well known and
common used trick in the fiberglass world)
http://a986.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/40/l_9934628e880f9a0948bd32b5
12f026b9.jpg
while i was waiting for the foam to expand and dry you can see i found a 20
year old can of silver spray paint and painted the intercooler for a more
"realistic" look. i get bored easy haha. :screwy:
but im a ****ing idiot and forgot to shake the can.... so it came out all
stringy and didnt expand very well....
http://a906.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/71/l_1feec5fd55d572153944c972
3526ffb1.jpg
After shaking the can a little more..... worked a little better.
http://a328.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/25/l_86dc17656d94ac73f057509b
eb1e5957.jpg
so after basically wasting 1 hole can of foam, this was the results. (yes i
primered it because i was extremely bored again.
http://a159.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/74/l_26fb46d04282e6a29b74f734
96f1d59e.jpg
http://a699.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/45/l_cbf71d6d2eb0141d399c845b
ecebfe7a.jpg
From the back side.
http://a28.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/90/l_9f18da1a06b3a8010648c6ad6
9907c9b.jpg
http://a78.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/128/l_c308a65aaa91d03a58cfbb0c
d0dbe92d.jpg
So since i messed up the first can, it wasnt enough, so i had to run back
to home depot and buy another freaking can. i shook it the entire way back
to the shop. and started spraying more foam. it came out sooooo much
thicker and fluffyier, like 4 times the size than before. i felt like a
idiot.....
SubarusRmyThing
Well. heres what the car looked like after the good can of foam went on.
expanded a little bit more than i wanted, but no big deal, just cut it
down.
http://a704.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/36/l_64e81f763264a7effdbbfa6d
1113189f.jpg
http://a935.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/78/l_4d6f753dba3417f7478bc5e5
5e3d6a4e.jpg
so i went to work cutting.... was slicing off perfect how it should. then i
got down to the stuff that was from the first can, it just turned to a
sticky goop, didnt foam up at all. so i had to rip it all out and start
over again!. i was sooo effin pissed, but before i ripped all that **** out
i sprayed it really quick and took a pic just to get an idea of where it
was going. to see how i was liking it...
http://a843.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/96/l_0319f21b094a2397dc78483c
978b45a2.jpg
http://a882.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/106/l_c2619c7c77fa91ca82bd8e7
af9ab3bb1.jpg
So that catches you guys up to current. i got super busy with another
project for a customer, and mine had to set aside, but im going to get back
to working on it veerrry soon. my plan is to have it running by this
summer. So check back for updates very soon! and feel free to ask
questions.. thanks.
and of course the photoshop at the VERY top of all these post is the
current goal of what i hope it turns out to look like.
SubarusRmyThing
Thats pretty different man I love it
newyorker
That is an interesting project...you've still got a way to go though.
chris_knows
Great car! Love the decal on the front bumper, too! :ticking: :thumbs:
:laughing: :laughing:
Cliffy
I don't know what the law is by you, but here you are required to have turn
signals on the front and side for it to be street legal, just something to
keep in mind.
I also don't care for the front bumper. when looking at the photochop, the
bottom front of the bumper needs to be tucked under/in a little more, and
the same for the sides of the bumper. It just all needs to tuck a little
further under the car, and the corners need to be rounded off a little bit.
I think the intercooler needs to follow the same angle as/be parallel to/
the grille.
Of course that is just my opinion, and I am not much of a JDM fan, so maybe
that is the look you are looking for:2cents:
I also think the back bumper is a little too tall for your car, it goes too
far down for a relatively short car, It kind of looks like it would be a
giant scoop under your car. The least you could do is have side skirts that
go down just as far. Again, just my opinion:2cents:
Good luck though, sounds like a very unusual project:thumbs:
dvdrose18
thanks
oh believe me i know lol. soon as i can come up with a spare $300 bucks
though, this thing is really gonna come to life quite quick.
haha yeah, the finishing touches :) theres quite a few more ill have to put
on the windows and shit, they are funny as hell, and fit the car perfect.
just like the JDM as FCK one.
as for turn signals, they will be build into the head lights and tail
lights. which around here is perfectly legal. it doesnt need them on the
sides, just front and rear. and be viewable from an angle (like at a 4 way
intersection) which basically the whole front of the car is viewable front
a 4 way. so ill be covered there.
i know its hard to do a good photoshop and have it look exactly what its
going to be like in real life. if you knew the real body lines of the car,
and how the bottom and corners flow, i dont think you'd be saying that. i
understand how the chop looks pretty flat and straight down, but it will
roll under. give it time you will see.
again the shitty photoshop. the intercooler follows the grill perfectly in
real life. sits right under it, is the same width, flush, and so on. i know
what your talking about, and the finish product will be just that. dont
exspect the photoshop to me 100% acurate. its just to get an idea.
any maybe you missed it, but the back bumper came off with the front. there
is not going to be any hacked up fiberglass bumpers any more. if you look
at the rear of the car you will see the hole that was there from the stock
metal bumper beams, im going to do a roll pan affect and fill that in
flush, like you would do on a truck when removing the bumper. the only
fiberglass is going to be the removable front end, from the grill down. so
it gives me easy access to the turbo for motor work.
SubarusRmyThing
That is quite sweet, sir.
jedimario
well i did some work tonight on it actually...
spent some time re-foaming, once again, and this is the last time! it
worked this time, the front end. so waiting for it to cure over night, and
tomorrow night ill go cut it down, and sand it into shape.
http://a227.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/45/l_62dbba27217de08133293351
f8654ba2.jpg
http://a335.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/119/l_42df0729a5df1a4583003a7
688970e56.jpg
the grill is going to be attached to the one piece front end, and used to
help hold it on, its hard to explain what im going to do. but you will see
what i mean with progress. it will make sense then.
http://a153.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/124/l_8487ddcbbad16f919f61bce
62fb1c760.jpg
k so heres the next thing ive been toying with... and i finally
commited!
the start of the RHD conversion. Cant get any more JDM than that!
the best part, is this is going to be CAKE work. its almost a bolt in, well
more like Weld in swap. the car is even marked where it would go on a jdm
car. the only real fabrication im going to have to do is with the pedals
which is going to be a snap. this conversion should cost me less than 15
bucks, and even thats just for a little bit of scrap metal to fab up for
the pedal linkages and mounting.
Gotta cut this side out. and then of course weld up the hole its going to
leave.
http://a223.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/34/l_a5f3509c1970a03863d9a13b
b6b0e8c6.jpg
and move it right here. you can see the circle of where it would go on a
JDM car, even the hole in the cross member is drilled for the steering
linkage already.
http://a557.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/97/l_419a624003426bb426da7240
d6ef71e4.jpg
from the inside, again you can see the circle where its suppose to be.
http://a247.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/19/l_646c5c8dcfd57c87136a1e79
551e237e.jpg
then cut off the steering colum brace and move it over, this one isnt point
blank obvious where its suppose to go, so ill kind a have to wing it. but
it will work.
http://a538.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/82/l_8f93f6d1836877221137e236
0a94e6a9.jpg
l
SubarusRmyThing
ast time you'll see the pedals on the left side :)
http://a955.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/18/l_59772e6222433227ac7d8a9f
f5d3f152.jpg
same goes for the steering wheel.
http://a946.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/107/l_5c0ff949e1c83ad0ac91c4e
40b6ea289.jpg
everything gutted.
http://a729.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/44/l_e70311d568294a133474f171
4dd2e7e0.jpg
my only down side, is now my perfect legacy dash isnt going to work. so ill
have to get creative for that. not sure how yet... but ill figure something
out. going to look and see if i can find a RHD one for a reasonable price.
other wise... well shit i might be making something from scratch.
anyway thats as far as i got tonight. untill i can get my cutter and welder
down to the shop, i wont be able to progress on the RHD conversion, but ill
work on the front end tomorrow night and update you guys with a few more
pics. so check back about this same time tomorrow!
SubarusRmyThing
well heres the progress from tonight.
foam cut down.
http://a363.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/98/l_e9b9bdef21de1e09f2903ff1
6c5eff6a.jpg
http://a182.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/21/l_902eb859993017ee0ba0d298
11b32b0d.jpg
foam sanded, and shaped to flow with the car better.
http://a232.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/100/l_12627ee0c48740e84da1bbe
a739cee27.jpg
shitty masking job. the tap wouldnt stick at all to the foam, shoulda went
and found some duct tape, but oh well.
http://a984.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/112/l_5c5a885b70615f941670524
2c0b2b207.jpg
http://a271.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/75/l_1e96d63d40568478c06b369a
4febbfae.jpg
primered it so i could get a better look at the flaws.
http://a261.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/65/l_f094eba68f103f4aa081ddad
2fdcb7fc.jpg
besides the tape marks, it looks pretty even, which it doesnt matter a
whole lot the way im going to do this front end, i dont have to have it
perfect, just close :)
http://a536.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/92/l_ad667ed9bdd2f1c8b4110c81
ed5dd65f.jpg
SubarusRmyThing
http://a193.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/44/l_e9eced3bad0cae2caaeef681
8195c3c0.jpg
mat laid out.
http://a112.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/80/l_8a2eb34e02c4b652ea070e6f
029b9e97.jpg
and this is were i messed up. i shoulda waiting untill i had more resin,
cuz i knew i was going to cut i close. but against my better judgment i
thought i had enough. HA, not even close... so now its halfassed. oh well
guess ill learn next time.
http://a75.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/118/l_069b212a0c095bd25a4b3820
ed71125a.jpg
so now i need to go buy some more resin, cover a little bit more of the
mat. then ill pull it off the car, and start cutting it out, then adding a
few more layers to smooth it out and make it look better.
SubarusRmyThing
Nice...
jedimario
Cool project going on here. Just like to ask why are you using foam to
shape up the front, I thought the body parts of the Civic were made out of
steel where you weld and bondo it up. Nice to see you experimenting with
different bumpers and stuff. I guess you have plenty of parts lying around
as you own a shop unlike most of us.
I wonder how good those cheap coil springs are if you match them with some
decent dampers. I guess they're cheap as you have to weld it onto the
strut yourself.
fudge
well im not making the front end out of steel because its heavier. and i
want it to be removable sorta like a fiberglass hood you would find on a
drag car. so its easier to work on the motor in the very tight engine bay.
the foam is used to get the shape i want, and then it makes the mold for
the fiberglass, once i have the front end completed, the foam will be
coming out.
the metal work will come in on the rear bumper delete.
SubarusRmyThing
STOLEN!!!!!!
i was doing some cleaning in the shop tonight to make some more room, and
took off for a few hours to hang out with a old girl friend. left the civic
sitting out side. i come back and its ****ing GONE! not a joke its straight
up gone.
since it wasnt registered, or insured yet im pretty much ****ed, title
wasnt even in my name yet. so even if they find it, i probably wont get it
back. **** ME!! im sooo effin pissed i cant even explain.
guess this project is dead.
SubarusRmyThing
Goddamit thats a big shame, as its a non runner I don't think it would have
gotten far but who knows. Sure do hope you could get it back one day and
finish it off.
fudge
Did they like roll it away?
That really sucks...You're pretty much screwed for finding the car. What
are the odds that you can find another '79 Civic Si?
chris_knows
rolled or trailered it. or something who knows. ****ing scrap metal
theives.
funny you should mention finding another one... (fyi, no such thing as a si
civic in the 1st gens)
so since theres no good news on the car... Theres no way in hell im gonna
let these bastards get the best of me! Cant let them win!! So with out much
futher to do...
The guy i got this from called it "Racer X".
I present, the New, EB3 - STi Killer.
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Nasty Dent. That will take a gallon of bondo to fill ;)
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Door latch needs to be adjusted... it doesnt always like to latch lol.
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So... Theres you the Before pictures... Its not near as nice of a shell as
my old one. its gotta lot of dints and dings, and house paint all over it
lol. its in poor shape. But Im going all out on this one. Balls to the
wall, flat out dumping as much money as i can afford for a while.
Not cutting any corners. First things first. Strip the car to nothing,
replace some body parts with some custom built ones, sand blast everything,
POR15 it and prevent it from rust, and go to town. Hopefully this project
will move along very quickly, and get caught up to, and pass the old shell
inless than a month.
SubarusRmyThing
So heres the tear down process.
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motor is on its way out next. and im sticking strong with my dohc D series
motor. I like my tits like i like my motors, D's not B's!!
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New seats. but im 99% positive im going to sell them, and go with a true
light weight racing bucket. not these summit racing wannabe's.
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thats all the further i got tonight, but ill be back at it early tomorrow
morning. More updates soon!
SubarusRmyThing
Good stuff man, keep it up. What parts did they make away with on the other
car??
newyorker
no parts at all. just a stripped rolling shell.
SubarusRmyThing
Consider yourself lucky that they didnt take the B-series, and whatever
other parts you had.
newyorker
its a D series, not a B.
SubarusRmyThing
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thought that was a b, forgot about them older tegs :banghead:
newyorker
everyone does lol.
d16a1! FTMFW!
SubarusRmyThing
you should throw a Z6 head on it.
Enthusiast
and convert it back to sohc and vtec? EFF THAT!
i went with this for a few reasons..
1. It's DOHC so it "looks cooler" haha.
2. The d16 is a pretty rare motor, not many people use em, and they are a
very very stout motor and on a good tune, handle a lot of boost, way more
than a z6 will.
3. vtec is EFFIN GAY!! Buy a Real Cam. which i plan on doing. well 2 :)
Loppy Idle FTGDMFT! real drag car lol. I grew up around chevy cars. and
loppy v8's barley staying running at idle and picking tires up off the
ground at the line. I got a lot of work to do to make this thing impresse
me more than my 74 vega drag car. and a sissy vtec isnt going to come close
to doing that.
4. Cheaper ECU haha. instead of paying hundreds for a p28 i can get one for
next to nothing that will run this motor better than a p28 would.
5. i like screwing with people. Cuz half these idiots have never seen a
dohc d series and i get to mess with their heads.
SubarusRmyThing
Very good reasons. We were going to do the same in my sister's '78 Civic.
Ended up with a modded EB1 with the EB3 head and dual sidedrafts. Plenty of
pep in that very light car.
This is where you lost me. As an enthusaist you should know what sort of
advance VTEC actually was in the automotive world. "Real" cams ere
compromises, aimed at one end of the performance spectrum or another. You
always give up something. With VTEC you didnt have to. You could have the
high rpm race cam profile and still have the street cam profile when you
weren't actually racing. Kind of like having an SBC with a stock cam, and
when you get on the throttle, it's automatically swapped out for a race
cam, then swapped back when you get off the gas again.
Yeah, the lopeyness said "I have a big cam" to onlookers, but usually,
especially in a street car, it simply meant "I put the biggest cam I could
find in here regardless of whether it actually works good for this
application." You could put up with piss poor street manners most of the
time to get the race performance some of the time, but why should you have
to? Those of us building engines for decades were looking for the solution,
and Honda managed to nail it. No simple cam timing phasing, like others had
done, having two completely separate cam profiles in one engine meant
timing, lift, duration, and everything was changed automatically. No
compromises. I would have LOVED to have VTEC's ability in my V8 dual
purpose street/race cars.
True, the high rpm ability of a VTEC setup is no different than the high
rpm ability of a regular performance cam. What's different is what you
don't have to compromise on and give up to GET that ability. That's the
magic of VTEC and why it's far from "ghey."
Again, a very good reason. Megasquirt?
Hell, they won't know what kind of car it's in to start with. :laughing:
ChrisV
well this isnt a street car is a drag car.
the 70's didnt have vtec, because they didnt need it, they put big cams in
it, and let er rip!
while okay i can agree with what you said, vtec was a pretty smart idea. im
old school. i think vtec is gay. people make to big of a deal about it. who
really cares? i love the sound of a car that sounds like its running like
shit, but absolutly screams on the track. so in my world vtec can take a
long walk off a short cliff. its more trouble than its worth to me.
but to each their own.
SubarusRmyThing
Not the best drag car out there. It's just to be different.
Not true. they were working on the same ideas, and trying to build cams
that did both. They needed it, just didn't HAVE it yet. So people put up
with the compromises and smart guys worked on the engineering to solve the
problem.
Yes, it was.
How old are you?
Why is being a closed minded idiot a valuable goal for you?
Some kids don't get it, and do think that it adds power, like a turbo. But
their opinion isn't any more valid than someone who thinks it's gay.
Oh, I don't know...a lot of really smart engineering types from every major
automotive manufacturer worldwide? Those of us who actually built cars in
the old days that were looking for the solution to that very engineering
problem? Open minded hot rodders who see what a smart idea it was?
I love the sound of a car that works right. An over-cammed car isn't
working right. But I don't live my automotive life a quarter mile at a
time. I actually drive my cars.
I think we're getting to the crux of the issue. You only know one thing,
and don't want to get out of that small window of comfort. That doesn't
make everything else gay. It just means you're single dimensional and not
well rounded.
Well, as you say, to each their own.
ChrisV
not the best no. but pretty much better than any other honda out there.
fwd's were just not made for drag racing. im not building this to be the
best. just something different. ive raced awd's and rwd's. its time for me
to have a fwd drag car. now my 74 vega on the other hand, whole different
story. great drag car. if i want to be the best. well then, there it is.
only 20. but ive grown up around hot rods, and building chevy small blocks.
between my dad, step dad, and i. i have restored two 37 fords, 37 chevy, 74
vega, 65 mgb, 75 camaro, and a 66 corvette. In progress i have my 79 civic
and a 67 camaro and another 37 ford. then a 65 66 and 67 ford mustang. like
i said im pretty old school mostly.
close minded? glad you THINK you know what your talking about. yes there
is a replacement for performance, its called technology. vtec has proved
it. but i enjoy the simpleminded things. more fun in my book.
i live my life by the seat of my pants, weather is pulling 120 in the 1/4,
or 60 mph on gravel road with clifs and trees to wrap my car around, or 80
around a sticky corner with no guard rail to protect me from that 1000 ft
fall on a hill climb. i actually build my cars, and drive them what they
were built for. i dont want my drag car a ****ing good gas millage put
around town, dont over heat at a stop light grocery getter. i have a 2006
sti, 2001 dodge ram, 2000 ford ranger, 1995 toyota 4runner, 2002 wrx wagon,
stock 1979 honda civic for that. so let my drag 79 civic run like shit! its
going to tear up the 1/4 mile, and kill the best jdm awards at car shows.
which is exactly what it was built for. so who cares if i cant do anything
else with it? i have other cars to do everything else.
one thing? hmmm....
lets see if done chevy motors in fords
chevy motors in toyotas
ford motors into vw's
FI honda motors into old carbed hondas to small for a big FI motor
Rock crawlers
mini trucks
Restored classics
Built Customs
dedicate my life to my subarus boxer motors. EJ motors FTW!
built drag cars
built hill climb cars
owned/built and sold cars from makes such as:
ford
chevy
subaru
toyota
nissan
datsun
honda
vw
mg
dodge
hit just about every scene in the car world. im probably the most open
minded person ever. for the fact i have a love for all cars, i dont have
rivals like a lot of ford and chevy guys, or evo and sti guys. i drive a
sti, and love evo's. dont get much more open minded than that.
so i dont like one little piece of technology for the fact im sick of
hearing how its like next to god. when sure its good, but its not that
great honestly. you dont need vtec to win a race. and im out to prove that.
ive had countless people ask me, why dont u build a vtec motor.
Because everyone builds a vtec motor.
Theres more options out there than over priced and over rated vtec
I want to show the closed minded idiots who think vtec is the only way to
go, that their vtec is going to get its ass handed too it with 450whp in a
1500 pound car.
SubarusRmyThing
Calling Vtec gay when it's significance and pwnage is obvious is a bit
closed minded.
Calling i-Vtec gay, however, is not xD
jedimario
just as close minded as saying carbs are better than FI or vise versa. both
are just as good really, just depends how good you are with them.
SubarusRmyThing
How's that relevant? I didn't read where Chris said that.
jedimario
meaning a lot of carb guys will say they hate FI. so they hate a piece of
technology, why cant i?
and then theres a lot of people that think FI is the only option and
nothing is better (like most vtec people) and the carb guys laugh at them
because they are wrong. like me.
if me being sick of hearing how vtec is the only rout to go, and how its
the best thing in the world and the only option worth a damn, and that
makes me want to prove people wrong and try something NEW out of the norm
make me a close minded idiot, you guys need to look in the mirror. open
your closed mind that says vtec is the only way to go. and try something
new.
SubarusRmyThing
You must be talking to a lot of ricers then.
newyorker
Ahh, emulating *other* closed minded people makes it ok? I still don't see
why it should be a goal to BE closed minded and ignorant. But whatever
floats your boat.
:banghead:
Listen, your project is cool. You're a tard, but your car is cool.
For the record I never said you SHOULD use a VTEC engine, only that you
shouldn't act like a closed minded moron and be insulting about it, if you
want to be taken serious by intelligent automotive enthusiasts.
ChrisV
Excuse me? No one is saying that Vtec is the only way to go, we're saying
that despite its popularity it was actually a good thing for the automotive
world. I think it's cool that you're doing something different, and even
that you're doing it without Vtec, that makes it that much more different.
But we are not gonna sit here and read you spew your prejudice without
calling you out on it.
No one is telling you to use Vtec, we're just trying to tell you that
calling it "ghey" and putting it down solely because a certain demographic
idolizes it is stupid.
jedimario
talking to a lot of ricers... ehh half of em, yes. a lot of these kids dont
now their elbow from their ass. i had one trying to tell me he just
intercooled his car... on his bone stock ls integra motor with a chevy
orange spray painted valve cover....
you guys are taking things the wrong way.
first off, never said anyone on here said i needed to use a vtec motor. im
refeering to people ive talked to in the past and other places.
Im not emulating *other* closed minded people or being a closed minded and
ignorant person at all. I have my opinion. as does everyone. Already told
you yes vtec was a brilliant idea, and it works great, but im flat out sick
of hearing vtec this vtec that, like its next to god. its NOT the only
option. And im out to prove that, is it wrong to be different and want to
step out of the box, and beat these vtec gurus with something different?
yeah i shit talk vtec, big deal thats my proagative.
dont even tell me none of you guys dont shit talk stuff weather its a
performance part, a car brand, or anything else. To each their own.
SubarusRmyThing
Grown ups don't. You can have an opinion without talking shit, hell you
can argue against V-TEC all day without saying one impolite thing. "When
you sling mud you can't help but get a little on yourself"
giant016
Larry Widmer also built a hot D-series Civic, its cool you're building a
different car to most Civics around. I think most people go for
VTEC(B-series) motors as they have better cylinder heads than non-vtecs but
theres a lot of high power ZCs lurking around now that these kind of
engines boost well plus they're cheaper to get.
fudge
