79 Sicvic Project. Something.... Different.
Well, just found these forums, and thought id share one of my biggest
project cars with you guys. it gets tons of intereste and looks in many
different ways every way i post it. Figured you'd like to see it too. so
heres a quick catch up of whats been happening to it over the last year
with lots and lots of pictures!!!
Let me start it off with a photoshopped teaser pic, to draw your interest and make you want to keep reading!
As far as looks:
Basically, im going to jump on this lame "JDM" fad that everyone is so into right now. Its going to be clean shaven, shaved front and rear side marker lights, shaved key hole, delete the rear bumper and roll pan it smooth, delete the front bumper. and make a 1 piece removable fiberglass front end molded around the Frount mount intercooler. Slammed super low, on some bronze Wheels, with a very pretty white paint job. Not going to be a plain basic white, it will have a nice twist to it. Should look pretty clean when im done. As you will see in the pictures later, this was not my first intentions... but it is now. ill explain more later.
Suspension Drivetrain and such:
As i said, its going to be dumped on its nuts. should sit only a few inches off the ground, (sits about 5" right now) it will set on a custom coil over set up, Custom sway bars, and custom strut bars. I am converting it to 4x100 lug pattern with 4 wheel disc brake set up. Gonna go fast, gotta stop fast. Since its going to be a "race car" it will have removable traction bars to help with hooking up, and a lsd tranny. of course, a set of drag slicks for those trac days.
Boosted and built DOHC D16a1. yes dohc D series. not B. for those of you (seems like most everyone i talk too) yes there is a such thing as a dohc d series honda motor. it comes from a 86-89 integra, its the same motor as a ZC. My motor will go threw 3 stages. Stock, Lightly Boosted, BUILT and boosted. Im starting off with the stock motor just to get things running and driving and all the other kinks worked out. then almost immediatly ill jumped to stage 2 of the build and i will boost the stock motor it on 6 pounds. This will allow me to to work out the kinks of making the turbo fit, start tuning the suspesion and getting everything race ready. After thats all done, the Build process will begin, with:
Stock Block bored .025 over
stock head port and Polished.
JGE valve train set
Custom Block Girdle
and boosted on 1.6 Bar (23 psi)
Its pretty much going to be a drag car, so roll cage, racing buckets, no back seat, fuel cell, things like that. But it will be street legal, so it will have the bare minimum to keep it that way. with a few things like projector hid head lights, LED tail lights, Custom dash and gauges. And im sure lots other things that will pop up in the build.
This might be of some interest to you guys too. The Build cost of this car as of today.
Car = $200
new windshield = $60
Gas to haul it home = $40
Legacy Dash = $0
Rattle Can Primer = $20
Motor/Tranny = $0
engine cleaner to clean up the motor = $5
Sold Stock Motor/Tranny = +$200
Sold Stock Bumpers = +120
Coil Spring Suspension = $45
Expanding Foam = $12
Total invested into the car so far= $62
So lets get the pictures started. and i know i will write a LOT. but if you actually read it, it should answer any questions you have, i do pretty good about explaining things.
So this is how i found it, one late rainy night.
I bought it, and finally brought it home on march 11th, 2007 for 200 bucks. This is how it sat when i unloaded it off the trailer.
after a little tear down i started getting ready to pull the stock motor, and take it down to my shop. which by the way stock motor is a 1.2L with a max crank HP of about 50... lol yes 50. top speed maybe 80 MPH!!! 1/4 mile in prob 28+ seconds haha.
The new motor i got for free. more than doubling the horse power of this car just from the stock motor swap...
Pulled the stock motor, and started test fitting the D16
after quite some time i made a lot of progress on it. got it all primered,
the cracked and broken windshield removed. the engine bay hacked up and
bent and made room for the d16 to fit in. while i was cleaning out the shop
to make more room i took some pics while it was sitting out side in some
one thing i wanted to do was make a fiberglass dash to lighten it up some. to make it easy i was just going to mold it off the stock dash. (you can see it half finished in the picture above)
here it is mostly finished... still pretty ruff, you can see a lot of flaws in it. but it came quite a ways. and no i didnt make the gauge cluster part or the air vents, i used the stock ones.
New windshield i bought for 60 bucks!
one of the many mods.... Nitrous!
So this is where i said i changed my mind on teh body styling. i was going
to go for a totally custom off the wall show car. but i guess my mind
So at first i picked up this bumper off a 04 Subaru Forester. This is it pictured on my GF's 79 civic project. (she is what sparked the inspiration of this project) (dont worry her daily driver is a 02 wrx wagon thanks to me lol)
as you can see its HUGE! so after a LOT of chopping it up, fitting, fibgerglassing. this is what it ammounted too..
it just wasnt working for me.... didnt like the looks, even though the photoshop looked awesome, i didnt like it in person.
i then decided to work on the rear bumper since the front was a failure.
used a 2005 honda civic EX coupe rear bumper.
coping and fitting...
So after finishing the rear bumper. i went threw a couple more, then found
one i thought i was going to like for good this time. 05 Scion TC.
chopping and fitting.
nearly finished.... just needed some more sanding, and some body like shaping and it was done.
anyway. last trip i made to my friends collision repair shop, (when i picked up the tc bumper) i also picked up this beauty. a 2006 Subaru Legacy dash.
so after removing the air bag, chopping it up to fit in this tiny car, here it is.
and as luck would have it, its even lighter weight than my fiberglass dash. to fix ill apply one thing layer of fiberglass over it to fix all the cuts and holes, and then wrap it in vinyl. This dash actually works a LOT better for what i want, looks, function, weight, its absolutly perfect and was exactly what i wanted. just wait till its done, you will understand where im coming from.
so some time in here i took about a 3 month break from working on this
thing. my baby daughter was born, i was pretty broke, and had no time for
this car... so it sat... and sat and sat. after coming back to the shop i
started looking at it, and after seriously just staring at it for prob a
good hour, i decided it just totally was NOT what i wanted to do to this
classic. so i spent the next hour ripping off a good 100 bucks in
fiberglass materials and countless hours of work.... about that time
someone needed a set of stock springs. so i ripped mine out and let it sit
on the struts.
Gotta love these skinny tires... even completely dumped and at FULL turn, they still have 1" of clearance before any rubbing is going to happen!! lol.
the car is soooo low that we had to lift the car up by hand to get the lift out from under it, because it hit the ground before the struts bottomed out lol. good thing this car is light weight haha.
so i ordered some coil springs for it to fabricate to fit into the stock
This is just going to be a temporary set up. when i have 1000 bucks to blow on a full set of adjustable coil overs i will and fabricate them into this car.... but for now. these will work.
So after wondering what i was going to do with my front end now. i found this car...
i decided i wanted to do some similar... i liked the nice clean look, kinda stock looking but still clean. a nice "JDM" look to it. but my problem is im boosting. i need a front mount intercooler. So after spending about an hour drawing out sketchs on paper and running ideas threw my head, i had a plan. and went to work.
First i needed a front mount intercooler to build around. well no way in hell would i pay hundreds of dollars for one just to ruin in the messy build process, so i got the dimensions of the one i wanted. and made it out of boxes. here it is :laughing: :orglaugh:
perfect size for this car.
so i got to work on making the mold for the front end. ( i appologize for the next few pictures. i brought my camera to the shop, but left my memory card at home... so i had to use my camera phone)
first placing the grill and front mount in place
Then i started filling the gaps with expanding foam (this is what you use
to make the mold, dont look at me like im crazy, its a very well known and
common used trick in the fiberglass world)
while i was waiting for the foam to expand and dry you can see i found a 20 year old can of silver spray paint and painted the intercooler for a more "realistic" look. i get bored easy haha. :screwy:
but im a ****ing idiot and forgot to shake the can.... so it came out all stringy and didnt expand very well....
After shaking the can a little more..... worked a little better.
so after basically wasting 1 hole can of foam, this was the results. (yes i primered it because i was extremely bored again.
From the back side.
So since i messed up the first can, it wasnt enough, so i had to run back to home depot and buy another freaking can. i shook it the entire way back to the shop. and started spraying more foam. it came out sooooo much thicker and fluffyier, like 4 times the size than before. i felt like a idiot.....
Well. heres what the car looked like after the good can of foam went on.
expanded a little bit more than i wanted, but no big deal, just cut it down.
so i went to work cutting.... was slicing off perfect how it should. then i got down to the stuff that was from the first can, it just turned to a sticky goop, didnt foam up at all. so i had to rip it all out and start over again!. i was sooo effin pissed, but before i ripped all that **** out i sprayed it really quick and took a pic just to get an idea of where it was going. to see how i was liking it...
So that catches you guys up to current. i got super busy with another project for a customer, and mine had to set aside, but im going to get back to working on it veerrry soon. my plan is to have it running by this summer. So check back for updates very soon! and feel free to ask questions.. thanks.
and of course the photoshop at the VERY top of all these post is the current goal of what i hope it turns out to look like.
Thats pretty different man I love it
That is an interesting project...you've still got a way to go though.
Great car! Love the decal on the front bumper, too! :ticking: :thumbs: :laughing: :laughing:
I don't know what the law is by you, but here you are required to have turn
signals on the front and side for it to be street legal, just something to
keep in mind.
I also don't care for the front bumper. when looking at the photochop, the bottom front of the bumper needs to be tucked under/in a little more, and the same for the sides of the bumper. It just all needs to tuck a little further under the car, and the corners need to be rounded off a little bit. I think the intercooler needs to follow the same angle as/be parallel to/ the grille.
Of course that is just my opinion, and I am not much of a JDM fan, so maybe that is the look you are looking for:2cents:
I also think the back bumper is a little too tall for your car, it goes too far down for a relatively short car, It kind of looks like it would be a giant scoop under your car. The least you could do is have side skirts that go down just as far. Again, just my opinion:2cents:
Good luck though, sounds like a very unusual project:thumbs:
oh believe me i know lol. soon as i can come up with a spare $300 bucks though, this thing is really gonna come to life quite quick.
haha yeah, the finishing touches :) theres quite a few more ill have to put on the windows and shit, they are funny as hell, and fit the car perfect. just like the JDM as FCK one.
as for turn signals, they will be build into the head lights and tail lights. which around here is perfectly legal. it doesnt need them on the sides, just front and rear. and be viewable from an angle (like at a 4 way intersection) which basically the whole front of the car is viewable front a 4 way. so ill be covered there.
i know its hard to do a good photoshop and have it look exactly what its going to be like in real life. if you knew the real body lines of the car, and how the bottom and corners flow, i dont think you'd be saying that. i understand how the chop looks pretty flat and straight down, but it will roll under. give it time you will see.
again the shitty photoshop. the intercooler follows the grill perfectly in real life. sits right under it, is the same width, flush, and so on. i know what your talking about, and the finish product will be just that. dont exspect the photoshop to me 100% acurate. its just to get an idea.
any maybe you missed it, but the back bumper came off with the front. there is not going to be any hacked up fiberglass bumpers any more. if you look at the rear of the car you will see the hole that was there from the stock metal bumper beams, im going to do a roll pan affect and fill that in flush, like you would do on a truck when removing the bumper. the only fiberglass is going to be the removable front end, from the grill down. so it gives me easy access to the turbo for motor work.
That is quite sweet, sir.
well i did some work tonight on it actually...
spent some time re-foaming, once again, and this is the last time! it worked this time, the front end. so waiting for it to cure over night, and tomorrow night ill go cut it down, and sand it into shape.
the grill is going to be attached to the one piece front end, and used to help hold it on, its hard to explain what im going to do. but you will see what i mean with progress. it will make sense then.
k so heres the next thing ive been toying with... and i finally commited!
the start of the RHD conversion. Cant get any more JDM than that!
the best part, is this is going to be CAKE work. its almost a bolt in, well more like Weld in swap. the car is even marked where it would go on a jdm car. the only real fabrication im going to have to do is with the pedals which is going to be a snap. this conversion should cost me less than 15 bucks, and even thats just for a little bit of scrap metal to fab up for the pedal linkages and mounting.
Gotta cut this side out. and then of course weld up the hole its going to leave.
and move it right here. you can see the circle of where it would go on a JDM car, even the hole in the cross member is drilled for the steering linkage already.
from the inside, again you can see the circle where its suppose to be.
then cut off the steering colum brace and move it over, this one isnt point blank obvious where its suppose to go, so ill kind a have to wing it. but it will work.
ast time you'll see the pedals on the left side :)
same goes for the steering wheel.
my only down side, is now my perfect legacy dash isnt going to work. so ill have to get creative for that. not sure how yet... but ill figure something out. going to look and see if i can find a RHD one for a reasonable price. other wise... well shit i might be making something from scratch.
anyway thats as far as i got tonight. untill i can get my cutter and welder down to the shop, i wont be able to progress on the RHD conversion, but ill work on the front end tomorrow night and update you guys with a few more pics. so check back about this same time tomorrow!
well heres the progress from tonight.
foam cut down.
foam sanded, and shaped to flow with the car better.
shitty masking job. the tap wouldnt stick at all to the foam, shoulda went and found some duct tape, but oh well.
primered it so i could get a better look at the flaws.
besides the tape marks, it looks pretty even, which it doesnt matter a whole lot the way im going to do this front end, i dont have to have it perfect, just close :)
mat laid out.
and this is were i messed up. i shoulda waiting untill i had more resin, cuz i knew i was going to cut i close. but against my better judgment i thought i had enough. HA, not even close... so now its halfassed. oh well guess ill learn next time.
so now i need to go buy some more resin, cover a little bit more of the mat. then ill pull it off the car, and start cutting it out, then adding a few more layers to smooth it out and make it look better.
Cool project going on here. Just like to ask why are you using foam to
shape up the front, I thought the body parts of the Civic were made out of
steel where you weld and bondo it up. Nice to see you experimenting with
different bumpers and stuff. I guess you have plenty of parts lying around
as you own a shop unlike most of us.
I wonder how good those cheap coil springs are if you match them with some decent dampers. I guess they're cheap as you have to weld it onto the strut yourself.
well im not making the front end out of steel because its heavier. and i
want it to be removable sorta like a fiberglass hood you would find on a
drag car. so its easier to work on the motor in the very tight engine bay.
the foam is used to get the shape i want, and then it makes the mold for
the fiberglass, once i have the front end completed, the foam will be
the metal work will come in on the rear bumper delete.
i was doing some cleaning in the shop tonight to make some more room, and took off for a few hours to hang out with a old girl friend. left the civic sitting out side. i come back and its ****ing GONE! not a joke its straight up gone.
since it wasnt registered, or insured yet im pretty much ****ed, title wasnt even in my name yet. so even if they find it, i probably wont get it back. **** ME!! im sooo effin pissed i cant even explain.
guess this project is dead.
Goddamit thats a big shame, as its a non runner I don't think it would have gotten far but who knows. Sure do hope you could get it back one day and finish it off.
Did they like roll it away?
That really sucks...You're pretty much screwed for finding the car. What are the odds that you can find another '79 Civic Si?
rolled or trailered it. or something who knows. ****ing scrap metal
funny you should mention finding another one... (fyi, no such thing as a si civic in the 1st gens)
so since theres no good news on the car... Theres no way in hell im gonna let these bastards get the best of me! Cant let them win!! So with out much futher to do...
The guy i got this from called it "Racer X".
I present, the New, EB3 - STi Killer.
Nasty Dent. That will take a gallon of bondo to fill ;)
Door latch needs to be adjusted... it doesnt always like to latch lol.
So... Theres you the Before pictures... Its not near as nice of a shell as my old one. its gotta lot of dints and dings, and house paint all over it lol. its in poor shape. But Im going all out on this one. Balls to the wall, flat out dumping as much money as i can afford for a while.
Not cutting any corners. First things first. Strip the car to nothing, replace some body parts with some custom built ones, sand blast everything, POR15 it and prevent it from rust, and go to town. Hopefully this project will move along very quickly, and get caught up to, and pass the old shell inless than a month.
So heres the tear down process.
motor is on its way out next. and im sticking strong with my dohc D series motor. I like my tits like i like my motors, D's not B's!!
New seats. but im 99% positive im going to sell them, and go with a true light weight racing bucket. not these summit racing wannabe's.
thats all the further i got tonight, but ill be back at it early tomorrow morning. More updates soon!
Good stuff man, keep it up. What parts did they make away with on the other car??
no parts at all. just a stripped rolling shell.
Consider yourself lucky that they didnt take the B-series, and whatever other parts you had.
its a D series, not a B.
thought that was a b, forgot about them older tegs :banghead:
everyone does lol.
you should throw a Z6 head on it.
and convert it back to sohc and vtec? EFF THAT!
i went with this for a few reasons..
1. It's DOHC so it "looks cooler" haha.
2. The d16 is a pretty rare motor, not many people use em, and they are a very very stout motor and on a good tune, handle a lot of boost, way more than a z6 will.
3. vtec is EFFIN GAY!! Buy a Real Cam. which i plan on doing. well 2 :) Loppy Idle FTGDMFT! real drag car lol. I grew up around chevy cars. and loppy v8's barley staying running at idle and picking tires up off the ground at the line. I got a lot of work to do to make this thing impresse me more than my 74 vega drag car. and a sissy vtec isnt going to come close to doing that.
4. Cheaper ECU haha. instead of paying hundreds for a p28 i can get one for next to nothing that will run this motor better than a p28 would.
5. i like screwing with people. Cuz half these idiots have never seen a dohc d series and i get to mess with their heads.
Very good reasons. We were going to do the same in my sister's '78 Civic.
Ended up with a modded EB1 with the EB3 head and dual sidedrafts. Plenty of
pep in that very light car.
This is where you lost me. As an enthusaist you should know what sort of advance VTEC actually was in the automotive world. "Real" cams ere compromises, aimed at one end of the performance spectrum or another. You always give up something. With VTEC you didnt have to. You could have the high rpm race cam profile and still have the street cam profile when you weren't actually racing. Kind of like having an SBC with a stock cam, and when you get on the throttle, it's automatically swapped out for a race cam, then swapped back when you get off the gas again.
Yeah, the lopeyness said "I have a big cam" to onlookers, but usually, especially in a street car, it simply meant "I put the biggest cam I could find in here regardless of whether it actually works good for this application." You could put up with piss poor street manners most of the time to get the race performance some of the time, but why should you have to? Those of us building engines for decades were looking for the solution, and Honda managed to nail it. No simple cam timing phasing, like others had done, having two completely separate cam profiles in one engine meant timing, lift, duration, and everything was changed automatically. No compromises. I would have LOVED to have VTEC's ability in my V8 dual purpose street/race cars.
True, the high rpm ability of a VTEC setup is no different than the high rpm ability of a regular performance cam. What's different is what you don't have to compromise on and give up to GET that ability. That's the magic of VTEC and why it's far from "ghey."
Again, a very good reason. Megasquirt?
Hell, they won't know what kind of car it's in to start with. :laughing:
well this isnt a street car is a drag car.
the 70's didnt have vtec, because they didnt need it, they put big cams in it, and let er rip!
while okay i can agree with what you said, vtec was a pretty smart idea. im old school. i think vtec is gay. people make to big of a deal about it. who really cares? i love the sound of a car that sounds like its running like shit, but absolutly screams on the track. so in my world vtec can take a long walk off a short cliff. its more trouble than its worth to me.
but to each their own.
Not the best drag car out there. It's just to be different.
Not true. they were working on the same ideas, and trying to build cams that did both. They needed it, just didn't HAVE it yet. So people put up with the compromises and smart guys worked on the engineering to solve the problem.
Yes, it was.
How old are you?
Why is being a closed minded idiot a valuable goal for you?
Some kids don't get it, and do think that it adds power, like a turbo. But their opinion isn't any more valid than someone who thinks it's gay.
Oh, I don't know...a lot of really smart engineering types from every major automotive manufacturer worldwide? Those of us who actually built cars in the old days that were looking for the solution to that very engineering problem? Open minded hot rodders who see what a smart idea it was?
I love the sound of a car that works right. An over-cammed car isn't working right. But I don't live my automotive life a quarter mile at a time. I actually drive my cars.
I think we're getting to the crux of the issue. You only know one thing, and don't want to get out of that small window of comfort. That doesn't make everything else gay. It just means you're single dimensional and not well rounded.
Well, as you say, to each their own.
not the best no. but pretty much better than any other honda out there.
fwd's were just not made for drag racing. im not building this to be the
best. just something different. ive raced awd's and rwd's. its time for me
to have a fwd drag car. now my 74 vega on the other hand, whole different
story. great drag car. if i want to be the best. well then, there it is.
only 20. but ive grown up around hot rods, and building chevy small blocks. between my dad, step dad, and i. i have restored two 37 fords, 37 chevy, 74 vega, 65 mgb, 75 camaro, and a 66 corvette. In progress i have my 79 civic and a 67 camaro and another 37 ford. then a 65 66 and 67 ford mustang. like i said im pretty old school mostly.
close minded? glad you THINK you know what your talking about. yes there is a replacement for performance, its called technology. vtec has proved it. but i enjoy the simpleminded things. more fun in my book.
i live my life by the seat of my pants, weather is pulling 120 in the 1/4, or 60 mph on gravel road with clifs and trees to wrap my car around, or 80 around a sticky corner with no guard rail to protect me from that 1000 ft fall on a hill climb. i actually build my cars, and drive them what they were built for. i dont want my drag car a ****ing good gas millage put around town, dont over heat at a stop light grocery getter. i have a 2006 sti, 2001 dodge ram, 2000 ford ranger, 1995 toyota 4runner, 2002 wrx wagon, stock 1979 honda civic for that. so let my drag 79 civic run like shit! its going to tear up the 1/4 mile, and kill the best jdm awards at car shows. which is exactly what it was built for. so who cares if i cant do anything else with it? i have other cars to do everything else.
one thing? hmmm....
lets see if done chevy motors in fords
chevy motors in toyotas
ford motors into vw's
FI honda motors into old carbed hondas to small for a big FI motor
dedicate my life to my subarus boxer motors. EJ motors FTW!
built drag cars
built hill climb cars
owned/built and sold cars from makes such as:
hit just about every scene in the car world. im probably the most open minded person ever. for the fact i have a love for all cars, i dont have rivals like a lot of ford and chevy guys, or evo and sti guys. i drive a sti, and love evo's. dont get much more open minded than that.
so i dont like one little piece of technology for the fact im sick of hearing how its like next to god. when sure its good, but its not that great honestly. you dont need vtec to win a race. and im out to prove that. ive had countless people ask me, why dont u build a vtec motor.
Because everyone builds a vtec motor.
Theres more options out there than over priced and over rated vtec
I want to show the closed minded idiots who think vtec is the only way to go, that their vtec is going to get its ass handed too it with 450whp in a 1500 pound car.
Calling Vtec gay when it's significance and pwnage is obvious is a bit
Calling i-Vtec gay, however, is not xD
just as close minded as saying carbs are better than FI or vise versa. both are just as good really, just depends how good you are with them.
How's that relevant? I didn't read where Chris said that.
meaning a lot of carb guys will say they hate FI. so they hate a piece of
technology, why cant i?
and then theres a lot of people that think FI is the only option and nothing is better (like most vtec people) and the carb guys laugh at them because they are wrong. like me.
if me being sick of hearing how vtec is the only rout to go, and how its the best thing in the world and the only option worth a damn, and that makes me want to prove people wrong and try something NEW out of the norm make me a close minded idiot, you guys need to look in the mirror. open your closed mind that says vtec is the only way to go. and try something new.
You must be talking to a lot of ricers then.
Ahh, emulating *other* closed minded people makes it ok? I still don't see
why it should be a goal to BE closed minded and ignorant. But whatever
floats your boat.
Listen, your project is cool. You're a tard, but your car is cool.
For the record I never said you SHOULD use a VTEC engine, only that you shouldn't act like a closed minded moron and be insulting about it, if you want to be taken serious by intelligent automotive enthusiasts.
Excuse me? No one is saying that Vtec is the only way to go, we're saying
that despite its popularity it was actually a good thing for the automotive
world. I think it's cool that you're doing something different, and even
that you're doing it without Vtec, that makes it that much more different.
But we are not gonna sit here and read you spew your prejudice without
calling you out on it.
No one is telling you to use Vtec, we're just trying to tell you that calling it "ghey" and putting it down solely because a certain demographic idolizes it is stupid.
talking to a lot of ricers... ehh half of em, yes. a lot of these kids dont
now their elbow from their ass. i had one trying to tell me he just
intercooled his car... on his bone stock ls integra motor with a chevy
orange spray painted valve cover....
you guys are taking things the wrong way.
first off, never said anyone on here said i needed to use a vtec motor. im refeering to people ive talked to in the past and other places.
Im not emulating *other* closed minded people or being a closed minded and ignorant person at all. I have my opinion. as does everyone. Already told you yes vtec was a brilliant idea, and it works great, but im flat out sick of hearing vtec this vtec that, like its next to god. its NOT the only option. And im out to prove that, is it wrong to be different and want to step out of the box, and beat these vtec gurus with something different? yeah i shit talk vtec, big deal thats my proagative.
dont even tell me none of you guys dont shit talk stuff weather its a performance part, a car brand, or anything else. To each their own.
Grown ups don't. You can have an opinion without talking shit, hell you can argue against V-TEC all day without saying one impolite thing. "When you sling mud you can't help but get a little on yourself"
Larry Widmer also built a hot D-series Civic, its cool you're building a different car to most Civics around. I think most people go for VTEC(B-series) motors as they have better cylinder heads than non-vtecs but theres a lot of high power ZCs lurking around now that these kind of engines boost well plus they're cheaper to get.