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I drive a 96 eclipse. I am considering swapping my stock motor 4 a 4g63 cyclone motor. I was wondering what would the power increase be? And is it worth $1,650. The price also incudes Intakemanifold exhaust manifold rest of accessories manual transmissionand ECU.Thank you 4 taking the time 2 read.

posted by  Dewey

As long as it's a 6 bolt 4g63T you're good to go!

posted by  thunderbird1100

What do You mean By 6 bolt?

posted by  Dewey

There are 3 types of 4G63's You got a 4G63(N/A) 4G63T Cylcone(Turbo) and a 4G63T(Modfied for Evos). They all have either 6 or 7 bolts that attach the engine to the flywheel, or engine to the transmission, either or I forget sometimes. The 7-Bolt motors wich were used in some 93-94 and all of 95-98 Eclipse motors.

The 7-Bolt motors have a serious complication called "crankwalk". Now not all of them do, but a good number of the 7-bolt numbers will crankwalk. This is a condition where the crankshaft of the car is unbalanced and begins to rub against the CPS(crank position sensor) and destroys the crankshaft berrings. Not good; In the event this happens you WILL have to replace the motor, unless you catch it early.

If you're going to buy a 1G(1st Generation 90-94) eclipse, then u should be fine, because I have yet to see anymore than a handfull of those crankwalk.

If you're going to buy a 2G(2nd Generation 95-99) eclipse, then there is a good possiblity you could get crankwalk, especially in the 96-97 models.

Anywhos, I was just giving you some information on Eclipses wich does'nt pertain to you if you're buying a motor from a JDM company. All they sell are 6-Bolt motors(you could probably get 7-bolt on special request), The 4G63T Cyclone motors give about 190-210 HP at the crank. $1600 is'nt a bad price, but I'd have to recommend you go to www.totaljdm.com to get the motor. They are the best JDM motor company arround. I believe their going rate is $1400(everything included). Also you're going to need a 2G bracket kit to put the 1G 6-Bolt motor in your car. The information on how to install a 2G-1G swap can be found at www.dsmtuners.com. The job is a fairly easy bolt in, but my buddy, whom owns a Talon, says he can't pass emissions with the cylcone intake head(He lives in SoCal). So you may have to fork up another $20 bucks to get a USDM 1G intake header off a car in the junkyard.

Hope this helps good luck. :thumbs:

posted by  DSMer

In simpler terms could I do it with out spending over $2000. Would it be possable to do it by myself and four other friends(two of wichhave experince). And is my Eclipse a 6 or 7-bolt if your not for sure how can i tell.

posted by  Dewey

Yes it can be done without spending over $2000, provided that you don't run into any problems. Its possible to do it by yourself if you have somone to help you lift the engine and drop the tranny(I've done it by myself). I sureley hope two of your friends have experience in doing an engine/tranny swap on an AWD car.

Your car is a 7-Bolt. You can tell my counting the bolts that connect the flywheel to the engine(looks like a big gear at the end of the engine) You won't be able to count these until you take the engine out.(FYI)

Anywhos, if you're going to swap the tranny I suggest you get a manual(search arround on that site I posted above) for the proper torque specs and diagrams for the suspension. It gets kinda hectic and sometimes you may need a book to guide you.

Good Luck :thumbs:

posted by  DSMer

One thing I forgot to include my car is the GS= FWD. Will this matter alot

posted by  Dewey

Yes, I believe the 5-Speed trannys/transaxle's that come with the 4G63 motor are AWD Transaxles, you will not be able to use the tranny. So just keep your normal tranny. Umm taking the motor out a FWD car is a bitch so be prepared for some headaches....

posted by  DSMer

Hey thanks man for your help i new i should have gotten the AWD version. :banghead: Well...LMAO... How much would it cast to convert my car to an AWD

posted by  Dewey

No problem, willing to help anyone. Thats what forums are for. Converting it to AWD? It would be cheaper to just sell your car and get a GSX or TSi.

But in the event that you would want to convert it, you would need a donor GSX(preferablly one that has its guts ripped out). You'd need a flippable car hoist(for ease) then you would have to take all the AWD suspension components off the donor car and put it on your car(including electrical wirinng and the exhaust). Its basicly a transplant from A to B. It could cost no more than the price of gutted GSX and a few parts here and there and a little elbow grease. I'd guestimate $1500-2400

I used to have a TSi a while back, it was my first car. I bought it from a guy who had did an auto-manual tranny swap. Little did I know, he did it himself and very half-assed about it and it almost got me killed(only due to my own stupidity)

I was on a road and this guy in a Honda Civic came up next to me all riced out, tachometer, kitted, wheels, wing and shit like that. So he starts nuetral dropping at me (revving the engine in nuetral while in motion). So whatever I revved up and waited till my turbo spooled then let off the gas so he would hear my BOV(to know that I'm turboeing). This lil rice boy purges his nitrous lines and this big ass cloud of nitrous gas comes out from under his hood then he cuts me off all crazy about it and speeds off burning out in front of me. So I dropped to second and launched after him, catch up to him then flashed my brights at him and sped off on him. He was gaining on me so I redlined to like 5500-6000 RMP's drop my clutch and engage my 4rth gear. The link between the tranny snaps from the damn transfer case. My car instantly starts swerving, this guy was literally 5-8 ft in my ass he swerves in time to not rear end me and I'm trying to control my car thats swerving all over the place to keep from causing a big wreck(this is a 4 lane road).

Turns out when the guy did the auto-to-manual swap he did'nt use some sort of connecting piece between the tranny and trasnfer case. Point being I should'nt have been racing, but the tranny was bound to snap either way. So I would'nt advise any suspension swapping unless you are a certified tech at it. Because that incident almost got me seriously hurt or even killed. Luckily no one got heart and I just pushed my car to a side street. Now I drive a GS-T

posted by  DSMer

Hey it helps to have someone to talk to that knows so much about cars. I mean that i'm only 17 and i dont know that much about cars. you proably have a degree in inports plus you have years of exerance. See i hope to one day after i get out of high school and to go to Wyotech or some other big automech school. This shit is my life. Cars and music i love Guitar. But any how i wish i new more about cars.so thanks most of all for your knoledge.

posted by  Dewey

Haha, I'm here to help. Wait till you mix cars and music together. You get horsepower/decibel pumping beasts. Umm it might surprise you to know but I'm only 17 as are you. Difference is that my father is a master technician/automotive engineer so I got an early start. I've been working on cars with him since I was old enough to walk.

I still remember working on his modified TransAm. It had a bored out 350 block, with Holly 4 Barrel carbs, and a supercharger all tucked neatly under a ram-air hood with only the supercharger gleaming in the sun. Tailpipes that could disturb the heavens and the earth. The thing was a beast pushing 560HP & 600Lb-Ft. It ran the quarter mile in 10 seconds flat. I remember the first time he took me for a run in it. He put a dollar bill on the dashboard and ask me to grab it. He launched and I got pulled back into the seat. From then on I wanted a bad ass car that could do that.

I worked at his companys garage for a while, and my uncles more than often. I started taking college course my freshman year at a local community college. I've gotten a 3 certifications in engine technician and repair, tranny service and repair, and engine performance. I'm almost done and I'll have my automitve technician degree shortly once I finish my Fuel Injection III and Advance Auto Skills III. I love cars, I gain as much knowledge as I can about them. Just read my friend and you will become wise, work with them and you will be come experienced. Build them, break them, and race them. I'm no genious, but I will be somone famous in the automotive industry someday....

posted by  DSMer

Man that makes me fill bad beings that your the same age. But you got the experince that i dont have. I got to get money to get experince. Would you agree that the only way (in the subject of cars) to get experince is do it not so much your self but with someone else (that is experinced) for there guidance. See if i had more money i could buy all the parts and pay someone to help me. :rock:

posted by  Dewey

You should in no way feel bad. I just had different scenarios to learn about cars. Well your own learning curve and personality has to work with the way you gain information about cars. Me, if there is something I don't know that comes up in a conversation. I will find everything I can about that particular subject and read up on it for hours until understand it.

Car guys don't really like teaching other people everything they know. Its frustrating, and tiresome. Its very hard to work on your car when there is this kid(who only has good intentions) asking you a question about every little thing you do. Your at the point where you should take a class that pertains to automotive tech. I remember I read my autotech book from cover to cover, over 800+ pages. Several times. Cars are to complex nowadays. You need proper training from a school to teach you about the new systems and or practice in a garage.

Certain things, hell alot of things that involve working on car engines are usually common sense. Like installing an exhaust, changing spark plugs, or rotating tires. The more complex stuff like engine diagnostics, transmission work, and suspension require you to have more knowledge in that field. You can learn the basics from just practing but eventually down the line you're gonna need some sort of schooling...

posted by  DSMer

See my problem is that i play guitar in a band so i cant dedicate all my time or most of my time to cars do to my music (which im much more talented in). but i still love cars. Do you have any plans to goning to bigger school like Wyotech later or what? and i was thinking 4G63N/A what about the tranny on it would it or is it the same as the cyclone?

posted by  Dewey

What is your car? RS GS? If so you have a 420 motor in there. This is not a drop it in/ bolt it on mod. I would reccomend selling your car and buying a turbo. There is a lot of info on dsmtuners and dsmtalk. good luck

posted by  yoshimitsuspeed

Wyotech? Where in the hell is that? No I want to go to Georgia Tech, supposedly number one rated automotive technical school in the country.

No the trannys are'nt the same. The car being naturally aspirated or turbo does'nt decide the tranny. You can get 5-Speed for both turbo and N/A models. If the car is automatic then it won't have the same tranny. The tranny that comes with the cyclone is 5-Speed.

posted by  DSMer

Man you've never heard of Wyotech. And please take a wild guess were it is at (key word Wyo). Well kinda there is one in californa, Pennsilvania, and you guessed it Wyolming. I know im just a dumb red neck from Alabama that can't spell but still we're all here for the same reason... right.

See my car is an automatic and i just paid $8000 for the damn thing and there is no way im going to sell it and get that much for it. The car is in good condition but it has 161,000 on the motor so i know i need a new motor. ummm...let me make sure that i have this correct. the 4G63 motor will fit but the tranny want.

posted by  Dewey

DSMer i hate to say this but you have NO IDEA what your talking about...for one all 4 trannys have different gear ratios n/a 5speed and turbo 5speed as well as turbo fwd auto(usdm only) n/a awd auto.
second AWD trannys depending on which one you get can be switched to fwd by simply removing 2 pins from the transfer case OR by removing transfer case all together and welding in a center diff..total cost $150 plus welding, i am currently doing the talon es to turbo conversion using a JDM 4g63t with awd tranny, and all of the above information was provided gratefully by sheppard racing and burschur racing after countless calls and emails gathering research info to make sure i dont run into anyproblems...so stop feeding this guy BS info, when he can use his AWD tranny and its only going to cost him about $300 CANADIAN to convert the tranny...

also i hope your not trying to play that TSI in your sig off as your own....because that IS john sheppards car and IS the ONLY street driven 8second talon :screwy:

dewey if you want correct informative information email me or PM me and i will direct you to where you can get the center diff and what has to be done as well as some great articles about doing the swaps weither it be into a firstgen or 2nd gen

posted by  Decoder

this is also untrue, i did a JDM 4g63 n/a swap in my other ES and guess what it was a cyclone AND came with the JDM FWD auto tranny..only the turbo JDM models came in 5speed

posted by  Decoder

DSMer i hate to say this but you have NO IDEA what your talking about...for one all 4 trannys have different gear ratios n/a 5speed and turbo 5speed as well as turbo fwd auto(usdm only) n/a awd auto.
I also would hate to inform you that the gear ratios have absolutley nothing to do with the fitament to the engine. Surley YOU should know this? So why the hell are you even telling me this, its irrelivant to any subject at hand.

second AWD trannys depending on which one you get can be switched to fwd by simply removing 2 pins from the transfer case OR by removing transfer case all together and welding in a center diff..total cost $150 plus welding, i am currently doing the talon es to turbo conversion using a JDM 4g63t with awd tranny, and all of the above information was provided gratefully by sheppard racing and burschur racing after countless calls and emails gathering research info to make sure i dont run into anyproblems...so stop feeding this guy BS info, when he can use his AWD tranny and its only going to cost him about $300 CANADIAN to convert the tranny...
I won't even begine to elaborate on the AWD to FWD conversion. For the $300 American he could easily get a FWD tranny. Do things right the first time, taking shorcuts like welding Diffs etc is'nt my form of mechanic'ism.

also i hope your not trying to play that TSI in your sig off as your own....because that IS john sheppards car and IS the ONLY street driven 8second talon :screwy:
No shit, maybe if you pulled you head out of your ass for one second you would see that nowhere I say that is my car. There have been numerous conversations on this subject but since you did'nt bother to read arround, you would'nt know that now would you?

this is also untrue, i did a JDM 4g63 n/a swap in my other ES and guess what it was a cyclone AND came with the JDM FWD auto tranny..only the turbo JDM models came in 5speed
Again you seem to have no clue on anything we are discussing above. We were talking about a JDM engine FROM a JDM engine distributer. If you're going to selectively ready my post and then "attempt" to correct me, don't bother. You'll save yourself the embarrsment.

posted by  DSMer

"No the trannys are'nt the same. The car being naturally aspirated or turbo does'nt decide the tranny. You can get 5-Speed for both turbo and N/A models. If the car is automatic then it won't have the same tranny. The tranny that comes with the cyclone is 5-Speed."

you wrote that didnt you? and i responded by stating that it is untrue due to the fact i purchased a JDM cyclone motor and it came with a auto tranny for a n/a
as for the fitment it was not mentioned in your above post, you just said it would be easier using the other tranny..


you also said the motor being n/a and turbo doesnt decide the tranny, well yes it does, cause the gears are different from a n/a to turbo tranny.

as for the sig i was just inquiring if you were boasting it as yours, and no i didnt look around the board first as i got this link from a google search directly to that topic, so i replied and i did notice in another post that you do give credit to him.

posted by  Decoder

Again, Gear diiferentiation does'nt change the tranny by that much. Also by different, I mean ability to bolt up in the same fashion. The FWD Turbo 5-Speed will work with a FWD N/A 5-Speed. Simple as that, iregaurdless to their "gear ratios"

Quite frankly I don't care if you purched a JDM motor and it came with a N/A manual transmission. The company I gave to him *totalJDM* only sells JDM motors with 5-Speed AWD trannys.

posted by  DSMer

just go find a first generation gsx for like 3000 doallrs and that will have everything you want to start out and they are built better than the second generations. right now i am in the processs of getting a 4g64 2.4 liter, and it cost 7,000 just for the race engine and the new oil pump water pump etc, to get it running.

posted by  nektratta

hey yall waz up ..this is sunny ..i wana du da same thing he iz tryin i got clips gs 98 5 spd ..wana convert tht bh tu a gsx ...

posted by  eclipse98

...What? Also, start your own thread...

posted by  chris_knows

here is a question, what is the diff from a cyclone turbo and a regular turbo?

posted by  weave41_82

i was wondering what would be the best motor to swap into my talon???? the division rules for racing state that it has to be naturally aspired (non-turbo) and not over 3 litres... now the casing for the 5 speed is cracked so it will be a motor and transmission swap... if i have to i have no problem with doing some mod's and a little fabricating to get a newer, higher horse power motor into the car, i need suggestions!!! last year we put a 300ZX motor into a 240SX car so i know that there's got to be a sweet swap for this car.

posted by  eagletalonracer

U cant fit what won't go in without possible major set backs I live in Idaho snows all the damn I own a 95 tsi awd auto and my good friend owns a 95 tsi awd with a swap that went from 4663t to r32 v6 pushing 18-22lbs it's from an awd vw golf that was made into a crumbled up beer can it took him three years to get things in order and running perfect its on 16 enkiels with some hankook that could tear ur face off if u rubbed then the wrong way it's an everyday driver and it don't have the ralley look for nothing he wants to sell it for 10500 let me know I'f anyone's interested I'd buy the beast but don't have that money

Boostfreak   26 Jan 2013 18:20

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