im just curious...stock supra tt vs sti....hmmm
I gotta go with an STi, but once again this thread is just pure opinions. I cant even find any HP quotes for a Supra TT, so I guess this could show that there are more fans for a STi, but some Supras have some bite! :ohcrap: :thumbs:
Gen 3 Supra TT:
0-60 in 4.9secs
QM in13.6@103 mph
according to sport compact car
It's a (not so) little thing called Google. Try it out sometime.
Toyota Supra Twin Turbo
Miles Per Gallon: 18/23 mpg
Curb Weight: 3515 lbs
Transmission: 6-Speed Manual
Type: Twin-Turbo Inline-6
Displacement: 2997 cc
Horsepower: 320 bhp @ 5600 rpm
Torque: 315 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
Redline: 6800 rpm
0-60 mph: 4.9 sec
0-100 mph: 11.8 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.6 sec @ 106 mph
Top Speed: 155 mph
Subaru Impreza WRX STi
Miles Per Gallon: --/-- mpg
Curb Weight: 3263 lbs
Transmission: 6-Speed Manual
Type: Turbocharged Flat-4
Displacement: 2457 cc
Horsepower: 300 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 300 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
Redline: 7000 rpm
0-60 mph: 4.8 sec
0-100 mph: 12.9 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.2 sec @ 104 mph
Top Speed: --- mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 111 ft
Slalom Speed: 69.1 mph
Only reason STi wins the quarter is because it grips earlier. TT Supra would beat it in a freeway race flat out. 2JZGTTE's tranny is geared for top speed, while the EJ20T's is geared for flat acceleration and lighting shifts - rally style baby.
Everyone bow down now, this guy is import god... :drool:
Is that so? Well the only reason a Supra would beat an STi on a flat drive
fowards is "because" its a RWD platform.
Its not BECAUSE, its "The STi beats the Supra in the quarter mile". BECAUSE the STi is the better car, not just BECAUSE it can grip. Toyota was given equal oppurtunity to create a car, but BECAUSE they did'nt they have a very heavy, mal efficient drag car now don't they?
I don't understand whats up with you people and listing defeats in a performancea particular class as if they were unfair. No ifs, ands, buts, or because's. The Impreza WRX STi will dominate over the Supra in a realistic world. BECAUSE not everyone "races" on highways for long straights. BECAUSE some people drive their cars to work and back. BECAUSE some people need more than just a car that can go 155mph. BECAUSE the Impreza WRX STi is more realistic with passenger space, cargo room, comfortable interior, saftey, handling, and performance. BECAUSE these two are'nt even in the same class of car, they should'nt be compared. You want something fair to compare throw a 350Z at a Supra.
Its not because, it just IS.
Well lets see.... An sti gets what, 255whp with its single turbo...is a
four door....but is all wheel drive.
I'm sure a TWINTURBO supra with two doors (less weight) would certainly overpower an STi. The only thing the sube has over the supra is drivetrain. Awd has a tendency to just yank on the road, and not break traction nearly as much...
Also, are we talking about a road coarse? Or a drag strip? Either way, I think the supra would win.
I have bad habit of not reading the whole thread. But oh well I was right either way.
Um ..... yeah, it's like you said .... they are different types of cars. What I stated was completely true. They are GEARED at different types of racing. I'm not the one who compared them in the first place. Don't get all uppity. :fu: The guy asked Stock Supra vs STi ..... now most people took this as pure power, wich I responded to. If it came down to it, I'd take an STi because I'd rather do autocross than drag. Lot more fun. So congradulations on being a dick for no damn reason. They AREN'T in the same class, and I didn't portray them as such.
That may not be a good idea, he cant even spell Acceleration (excelleration) correctly. :ohcrap: :laughing:
That leads to more turbo lag. STi: 4 cylinders, 2.5 liters to spool one
turbo. Supra: 6 cylinders, 3 liters to spool two turbos. I would rather
have a single turbo Supra. It may have less power, but it would spool up
No. Actually, the Supra weighs more.
:thumbs: to you buddy .... I had just gotten out of bed when I made that post .... and you're gonna quibble about spelling? I still know my shit. But whatever you want to believe.
While you believe that you may "know your [stuff]", you fail to forget one
simple objective within your original statements. Sure we both know they
are'nt in the same class, there is no need to state that. What you have
forgotten is that you gave a reasoning for why the STi can accelerate
faster than a Supra. Well no shit, because they are two completly different
car classes. No shit that AWD has better acceleration than RWD cars. If we
were'nt aware of that then there would be some serious implications on our
own minds now would'nt there. However, simply listing the fact that one car
has an advantage over the other "because" of something puts them in a
general genre. Otherwise categorizing them as the same genre. I'll give you
an example that should be easy to follow, even for the likes of you.
Music group A is better than music group B because they have a better lead singer. While Group A could be rock and group B could be country, specifying that one is better because of something esle puts them in a general category. Now if somone who had no idea or the likes of either STi or Supra read that post. They would only be lead to assume that the two cars are in the same class, simply because you gave an excuse for one being greater than the other. In cars of different classes, excuses are'nt needed, they are allready warrented by the allready specified class.
No shit an AWD Rally car will accelerate faster than a RWD sports car. That is a given, but specifying otherwise could only mean that you are attempting to group the two together. Point being, it was non essential information and could have easily lead a newbie car person into believing the two were in the same class. Thus spread general ignorance and stupidity. Now just because somones been feeding you the shit end of the stick does'nt mean you have to return the favor now does it?
How do you have two huge posts stating the same one sentance point multiple
I was responding to the point of view of "STi vs Twin Turbo Supra" .... end of story. I never said they were the same class. It's a FACT, the sti will grip faster and accelerate faster. It's a FACT that the supra is gonna have a higher top speed. Explain how I'm spreading ignorance and stupidity? God, you're a gonad.
Its called repetition. Maybe it will get through the thick membranes of your scull. No ones questioning the validity of your statements. If I repeated it that many times surley you should have gotten the point in the first place, but as it is appearently evident... you did not.
I get your point ... I got it before you made it .... they're completely
different kinds of cars. You, however do not seem to be getting mine.
AN STI ACCELERATES FASTER.
A SUPRA HAS A HIGHER TOP SPEED.
What's so hard to understand?
where to start... first, your a jackass because you cant even spell SKULL, secondly, Ek_Eran_Ek was leaving it out there as what would really happen, never in any of his posts did he say that they were in the same class or said anything about anything other than freeway racing... so back the F*** down, unless you want to continue to embarass yourself, im sure everyone has gotten the point... friggin Mo
I love DSMer's posts. :mrgreen:
As do I.
I also like dumbass noobs trying to argue with him, horribly. :laughing:
Haha, yeah don't you just love them STi. Then they try to make me out as
the bad guy... I mean look at this piss ant.
Oooh, watch out Mr.Spellcheck. Needless to say he can not seem to correctly capitalize his scentences. I could go through and point out your grammatical errors all I wanted but I choose not to. I have better things to accomplish in my life. Unlike you, I have goals, real knowledge, and common sense. Haha, I laugh at his idiocy. After repetively typing post to get my point across this dumbass and original dumbass can not seem to grasp anything short of a tube made of sandpaper.
Again, if you want to realize why I came to the conclusion that I did there are a few scentences above that explain it all. Even easily understood for you two needledicks.
Thank you for telling me that. For the 3rd and final time, no one is questioning the validity of those statements. No shit, I allready know that information. I could explain it 70x's over while sleeping in a deep coma.
Enough of this, I shant argue with people of your stature.
Ok, that's it. I tried to give this forum a chance. Really, I did. But I
try to post helpful, useful, FACTUAL information, and people rip it down
because they ASSUME I think two completely different cars are in the same
vehicle class. I'm done. No more posts from me. Whatever you people want
to beleive in your own little world is fine. Keep telling yourself that
I'm ignorant, and don't know what I'm talking about, and that I have a
"needledick" as you so politely put it. Whatever helps you sleep at night,
guys. So I'm out.
PS - SOMEONE BAN ME
Lol... if you are a bitch and a pussy and cant hold up, I dont think you belong here anyways, but lets see what his bitch S_DemonSpeed_S has to say about this. :thumbs:
DSM, you need to watch it, you're scaring people away, and EK_Eran_Ek
sounded like he knew something about cars. Please, don't let you're
seniority at this forums carry away your logical thought. You need to not
offend people, as you do scare them away. Please, don't do anything stupid,
as if you (and probably will) ban me, I can use proxies to get around the
ban, and I will have the last word. Please, this is not a diss, but rather
a desperate struggle to get you to start thinking clearly. You have 2 n00bs
kissing your ass, so you think you're right? Please.
DSM, you mis-spelled sentences, but I let it fly.
BTT, i choose the STi over the supra.
Oh look its little bo beep and hes came to help his bitches. Ban you? Pfft,
I could care less. Why ban you when I can openly discuss you. Hell even if
I could theoretically ban people. Why would I care? Ooh watch out the last
word. That means so much in a childs mind. I'll stop with you right here If
I please. As a matter of fact I will. I don't have time to argue with
idiots.. I have things to do, more informative post to write, and work..
Have a nice day dumbass :thumbs:
How can he ban people when he isnt even a mod? I want to hear this... :laughing:
He's been around that I imagine he has some influence with people who have
Is your will the same as gods now?
ignorance is bliss
He hasnt been around as long as I have and, trust me on this, we have no influence as to who the mods put on probation, or what not, atleast from what I can tell. :2cents: :thumbs:
okay, just that was how it worked at my old forum. Sooo, my n00b brain is
we need the original poster to clear this up, as the fastes in the 0-30 is probably the STi (a skyline is faster than a mclaren f1 in the launch after all), but in the long straightaway, I'm sure the supra is faster. What are the weight power ratios? Anybody know?
You don't need anyone to clear the information up. You're simply chasing
your tail arround the basic information that was listed onver 10 post ago.
If it is evidently true that a Supra can get from 0-100 faster than a
Subaru but can not get through the quartermile faster than the Subaru. Both
cars finish the quarter mile at over 100mph so this tells one thing.
The Subaru reaches its peak Horsepower and Torque output slightly later than the Supra(Hey what do you know, the Supra peaks at 5600 and 6000 for the STi)
Both cars have 6-Gears and at 106mph the Subaru will be inches ahead of the Supra. Both cars are limited to a 155MPH top speed, so unless both cars are track tested at some sort of top speed testing track with no limiters we won't know who's fasters in a straight away. OH! But wait dumbshits! Thats what the f*cking quartermile was made for? It turns out that a quartermile drag race IS a straight away.
You all seem to be developing a case of mental retardation. They did'nt create a quartermile race for nothing. In the event that you have some legitimate reason to know which car will be faster on the straight away you'll need to know the top speed. Whomever has the highest top speed is the fastest of the two. Hmm... makes since does it not? Straight aways don't have bracket lights and they don't have an ending light. Whomever hits the highest top sped wins. Because if an STi is traveling at 172MPH and a Supra is traveling at 169MPH iregardless to who got ahead of who first, the STi will win in the long run because as we all know objects that travel faster than slower objects eventually catch up and surpass them. Quite simple is'nt it? Appearently not because some of you can not seem to grasp it...
^^^tis why I will probably never argue with dsmer.
He is LEET, bitches.
Twin Turbos have less lag than single turbos. I'll explain.
Twin turbos are often used to reduce turbo lag. They do this by making one of the turbos smaller and lighter (and weaker) than the other, so that it spools up faster. The other turbo is usually larger, and requires high rpm to began spooling properly. The smaller turbo is there to bridge the gap between no turbo boost, and the big turbo boost from the larger turbo charger. Twin turbos are smoother and easier to modulate than single turbos.
When a ridiculous amount of power is being asked from the turbos (such as the Bugatti Veyron), they use multiple turbos to bridge the gap and try to reduce turbo lag. The Veyron uses 4. Bugatti could have gotten the same amount of power that they did from a single turbo, but the car would have been practically undriveable because the turbo lag would have been so bad.
Ek_Eran_Ek was cool. Why'd you bitches run him off?
By the way, I'd choose the Supra because the engine was built so strongly,
that you hardly need any reinforcements when tremendous amounts of power is
added to it.
800 hp Supras exist that have practically stock internals. No Sti could do that.
Well you should take into the consideration that the engine is built on an
I6 iron platform. Back when the Supra was made iron blocks were the thing.
Nowadays car companies use lighter more efficient aluminum castings to
create the engines. The fact that a Supras engine can hold 800HP on stock
internals has no weight in any decision factor, or at least it should'nt.
Thats a very blanket statement. Where are you going with it? What is this 800HP going do to? As I've stated before, usless horsepower means nothing when it comes time to use it. If a 600AWHP STi can skyrocket through the quartermile faster than 800WHP Supra then what basis will being able to hold that power on stock internals mean? What does having a stronger stock engine over a lighter, more efficient aluminum prove? Its not as if the Subarus engine can not hold high power outputs, so whats your point to that statement?
No, it's not useless horsepower. An 800 hp Supra will beat a 600 hp STi.
When you get that high in horses, you don't race on the street, you race on
a drag strip, and you use slicks. But I'm not suggesting that Supras
should be bought to be made into 800 hp monsters. No, I didnt. Dumb
bitch, I was saying that a Supra's engine can handle 800 hp on stock
internals if you choose to go that high. In other words, if you decide to
mod a Supra, you can be confident that your engine won't blow.
Ya dumbass bitch, strong stock internals are important because that's less money you have to pay upgrading and buying sh*t to strengthen your engine.
Stop trying to be a poet, or a philosopher.
I guess that I should also add that I would choose the Supra because it looks better.
That ones up for debate.
No, it isn't. Unless the driver sucks, there is no reason for an 800 hp
Supra with slicks to lose to a 600 hp STi with slicks.
You have no f*cking idea what you are talking about.
Just because car A has more power then car B dosen't mean that car A will win. There are other factors other that power to consider.
Factors like what? What factor does the Sti have over a Supra that will overcome a 200 hp disadvantage.
The Sti has AWD, a closer gear ratio and is lighter. The supra having 800hp would suffer from traction problems, even with slicks. Traction problems start occuring at 600hp, the reason for this is because the supra has too much torque for it own good. For that reason when supras are used in japanese circuit races the 2JZ is usually swaped out for either a 4 cylinder or V8, I've even seen many people use RB26's from GTR's simply because the produce LESS torque. So the equation isn't all ways as simple as More Horsepower = More speed.
Top fuel dragsters don't have traction problems. How many horses do they
I don't know what slicks you're talking about, but any decent pair of slicks will have no problem handling 800 hp. AWD will only help the STi slightly off of the line, and the 250 lb. weight advantage that it has is sucked up easily by the 200 HORSEPOWER advantage the Supra would have.
With only a 15 horsepower advantage, and the lack of slicks, the Supra is only a few ticks slower through the quarter mile, but has a higher trap speed. I'm sure if you add 185 horsepower and slicks to that advantage, the gap would be eclipsed.
I'm willing to bet that a 600 hp STi would be slower than an Enzo through the 1/4 mile. For comparison, the 800 hp Hennessey Viper can run the quarter mile in the low 10's with a trap speed above 140 mph.....WITHOUT SLICKS.
I don't care about SLICKS, I'm trying to make a point that just because the supra has 200hp more than the Sti does not mean it's faster. Where's your proof? You've just expressed your opinion. As for the top fuel dragsters they have had extensive work done to them, we are comparing STREET cars here not drag cars.
As I am obviously clear that the point went completley over your head. Your
point contains one of two flaws. You're going off the basis that it cost
more to upgrade a Subaru simply because it can't hold power on its stock
Who said anything about racing on a street? Did those words come out of my post? No they did'nt
You can be confident that a Supra's engine won't burst under 800HP?
Is that so What? I garauntee if I bought 10 about 9 or more would catastrophically fail under that kind of power. Thats not opinion, thats pure fact from years of experience and learning from others with decades.
What evidence do you have to prove that a Supra can handle 800
on "practicly stock" internals. Where is this car? Where is this statement coming from? Or are you just blowing hot air out of your ass? Can you prove a bit of anything you've said using reference to either a factual Supra? Do you know what that person did down to the last bolt tightened on that Supra? Prove this, becasue you're throwing arround big boy words, so wheres you're "big dick" to back it up.
I've come to you with a reasonable challenge. Theres no need to get offenseive and try to slander your way out of a reasonable car disucssion. You say you like to talk about cars, then lets talk. Get your proof them come to the table....
Second main flaw. Supras have stopped production almost 10 years ago. So the odds of you finding one in pristine condition are slim to none. However a brand new STi can be bought tomorrow. So you mean to tell me that you'll have to spend more money not restoring the engine on a brand new Subaru than you will giving the Supra a tune-up and possibly rebuilding engine? You're just supposed to slap 800HP worht of equipment on a Supra and its just going to work? Explain to me how exactly can you get 800HP from a Supra without touching the engine's internals? You're going to jump from 300-800HP with mere bolt-ons? Thats a new one. I'd like to see the proof to back that up..
Where do you get slicks from? Why is it that you keep changing the terms of engagement. Again you fail to realize my original theory of useless horsepower. Just because a car has 800HP does not mean its all used. How is it that Jhon Sheppards Talon(rated at 650HP at the run) can beat Titan motorsports Supra(rated at over 800HP) in a quartermile race? The same way its plausible for a STi with 200 less hp to beat a 800HP Supra.
Haha, thats probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Top fuel dragsters do have traction problems. If they did'nt so many of them would'nt loose traction and crash.
Years of experience? Please. You rank as one of the dumbest members here.
You thought Acura was domestic. You thought Acuras were built and
designed in America. Ha ha! Everyone knows that Acuras are just rebadged
Hondas that were already designed, built, and tested in Japan.
If you had "years of experience", you'd know that the Supra engine was Toyota's best turbo engine, and you'd know how well it holds up. Here are a few quotes from a few magazines about what they think about the Supra:
The Supra's engine is legendary dude. If you really were experienced, you'd know that.
SP Engineering Supra eh... Meh I'll give you partial credit as they have
actully created a 805HP Supra on what they claim to be stock internals.
However, even they "can't really recommended it for daily use and [they]
cannot determine how much more the stock engine will take". So thats not
really holding the power now is it? None the less, they have still gotten
it although I was expecting a Supra with 800HP on stock that was in some
sort of automotive competition, but it i'll do. I'll have to say I
suspected that one for I read that article in TurboMag a few years back.
Oh yeah you also left out two other points.
1.) Prove that it cost less to upgrade a Supra than it does an STi.
2.) Keeping in mind that the Supra is almost 10 years old and should require some maintainence before the actual performance begins.
The amount of Hp in an engine has no effect on speed. An Abrams tank on the
front lines in Iraq has a 1500 Horsepower turbine engine, useing What's
logic it could break a 600 hp STi in seconds... so lets look shall we: Oh!
The top speed is only 45 mph. Sorry What! Hp that is as high as the 600 hp
STi and the 800 hp Supra does not make that much of a difference, dont get
me wrong though, 200 hp is a decent amount, but with a stock (body,
suspension, drivetrain) Supra with 800 hp vs. a customized 600 hp STi,
there are very few chances that the Supra would win. Even if the STi was
stock it would have the fact that it would be lighter and have more
traction going for it.
Info from http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m1-intro.htm
You stupid dumb f*ck, a tank weighs tons. The Supra is only 300 lbs. more
than an STi. A 300 pound disadvantage can be easily overcame with 200
extra horses. I did not say horsepower was everything. I know that there
are other factors. But the advantage that the Sti has in those "other"
factors is small. Those "factors" definitely aren't big enough to overcome
a 200 hp disadvantage.
A Supra is only 200-300 lbs. heavier than an STi. What would you rather for your car, lose 300 lbs, or gain 200 hp? This conversation is a joke. How could you people be so f*cking stupid.
You're damn right this is a joke. You remind me of a cheap ass polotician.
Notice how you only choose to respond to questions that can only be
answered to benefit your original statments. You have yet to conclude why,
if any relevance at all, its important that a Supra can hold 800HP on stock
internals. You've also failed to mention any information regarding a Supras
expenses towards that of an STi. You still can't seem to come up with an
answer of how a 5-10 year old car can cost less to improve than a brand new
Is it because you have no answers?
Or becuase you know you're wrong?
You've simply done nothing but run arround questions and answers to make yourself seem correct. You've left over 4 of my questions un answered. A joke, no this is rediculous. You don't know nor do you have the proof to anwswer any of those questions I asked you. Bounce arround if you'd like. You're simply an ignorant piece of shit. You don't know, never knew, and probably never will know at your rate of anything relevant to substancial information regarding these topics. Yet again, you've reduced yourself even further down the chain than you've allready slipped. Your own hipocritic actions are simply your fate. You claim you like to talk about cars, but when the time comes you just can't stand the heat.
You're right this conversation is a joke. I'm through with this as every obvious piece of inteligible information has been voided by the derth of intelligence and the abundance of ignorance...
It is important that a Supra's stock internals can withstand lots of power
because it saves you money, time, and fustration. That's common sense
DSMer. All you need to do is buy bolt-ons for the Supra. Most cars will
need extensive reinforcement for the engine internals, which is very
expensive. Also, if you're paying someone to do it for you, your labor
bill will be very high. ALSO, if you don't reinforce everything, and
"forget" or skip over a particular part, you'll break something, and be
forced to sit your car. There are so many advantages of having a car whose
engine is already reinforced for serious modifications.
Unless you buy a golden turbo charger for the Supra, I don't think an Sti would be cheaper to extensively modify than a Supra.
Dude, do you really have experience with cars? Older cars are much easier and cheaper to modify than newer ones. Why do you think you see so many 5.0 Mustangs on the drag strip? Newer cars have pesky computers and also, most high production cars use lighter, less "tough", cost-effective materials....not good for modifications. An STi computer chip will be more than a Supras.
I don't think you realise how valueable a Supra engine is. Why do you
think the Supra is idolized so much? The Supra and the Nissan Skyline have
excellent engines that hardcore racers desire because of their tunability
Some people buy a whole Supra just to take the engine and swap it to another car. It's practically a pre-prepped engine.
Correct it makes sense to have an allready strong engine, but engines wear
down overtime. I've seldomly seen a Supra with under 40-80K and I highly
doubt the total rigidity of that engine still exist after years of being
mistreated by god knows what with god knows who.
Yes older cars are easy to mod, but a Supra is'nt old enough to the point it does'nt have sophisticated electronics and its not exactly young enough to not have bad mileage.
Correct, newer cars do tend to cost more in the upgrade category but what you have left out is that a Supra is one of those cars that seems to maintain value. Bolt-ons for a Supra are indded expensive. However, the STi responds well to mods and while it is a newer car the bolt-ons are just a tad bit less than your average Supra.
The basic point being is that all older cars take time and money to restore to factory-like conditon. Time and money that newer cars should'nt need. A Subaru only has 4 cylinders and when you're in the 600HP range you're no newbie so I'm going to say you're doing these mods yourself or with your own personal team. Its not going to cost nearly as much as you claim it to be to replace pistons and valve train in a STi. Not to mention the money that will be spent on the Supras suspension and drivetrain to keep it planted on the ground. Its going to take more than 800HP of bolt-ons to make a Supra as bad as you say it is..
Yes the Supra is a great car, but if these two were compared in a realistic world the STi should win because it just has more to offer. Not everyone is a boy racer. The STi can jump just as high as the Supra, and still offer the ammenities of a sedan. Its not just about dyno queen numbers and track times. Many other factors go into the situation. The more realistic choice would be the STi. Not only is it able to do many autmotive sports, if you're conservative you can keep it street legal and drive it home at the end of a few runs down the strip.
If that's how you feel.
I'd pick the Supra. Theres a reason they hold their value so well.
Oh I know, beleive me. I've dropped at the line on the streets before. Rated at 500+ RWHP.
I was talking about the damn engine not the f*cking tank... I was making a simple point about Hp. :banghead:
Wait, how much would it cost to restore a Supra from like '94?
Dsmer and what are both dorks.
This thread sucks.
Supras are way sexier.
Just adding my bit. A Supra with stock internals will only go up to just
under 500bhp, then you'll need upgrading. I don't really know what you guys
do with Supras in the US, but i have a mate who's running i think 1024bhp
(That's when it's working). They have near bullitproof engines and can be
easily modified. And and don't know where you get your info from DSMer, but
the supra is not capped at 155mph. I know that for a fact as i was racing a
Porsche Carrera the other day and i backed off at about 163/5.
Unfortunatly on the down side thay are a heavy car as standard. Also the RWD is a pain which doesn't help having standard Slip Control. But again this can be changed to a better performance one which.
The STI as standard has a great engine, coupled with AWD makes it a great car that you can throw into the corners knowing that your not gonna loose grip. I took a rally preped one for a test drive about 6 months ago and loved it. But the thing i just didn't like was the interior. Ok, i know it's a stupid hang up, but it's just so cheap and crap. I gues at the end of the day a company that makes farm equipment don't really have that much interior practise.
If you were to put them head to head im gonna go with the supra. I know it'll upset many peopl, but that's my choice. here's a thread from a UK forum about STI's, Supras and a Porsche that you should all read. (http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=388677)
Way out of your 13 year old budget.
No shit I cant afford it now. I didnt ask for a smartass answer. If you dont know it, or dont want to tell me, then dont speak. Go screw a tree while the real knowledgable respectful members answer questions for people who want to gain some knowledge.
Also, the cost of restoration depends on the condition of the car, obviously.
If the exterior is unharmed, there are plenty of companies out there that produce reasonably priced parts for the 2JZE engine...
Well, before I say something wrong ill leave this to someone else. :D
Farm Equipment? What the hell are you talking about? They made planes and cars, thats all I know they have ever made. Farm Equiment? Subaru doesnt make farm equipment, maybe Fiji Heavy Industries does, but not Subaru. I cant wait to see your come back after that one. (this is in the US, perhaps there are some in Asia and Europe, but not here) :2cents: :thumbs:
LOL, tell me your not serious?? If you are then im amazed. I thought by you
have your flashing imprezza at the bottom you may know a thing or two about
the cars themselves. if you like i'll give you a little time to think about
it and then when you realise what you said you can go back and edit your
post. Do you feel embararrased?? Man i would after what you just wrote. LOL
:laughing: Im still pissing myself with laughter.
I'd also like to point out that the company Subaru actually build cars etc.... for all over the world, not just the USA. Maybe you were trying to say that if they build tractors (did i give too much away??) in say Europe then that doesn't count??
Looking for to the reply, don't think i can wait. does anyone mind if i post this thread in a Subaru forum?? LOL
Sorry, you were saying????
I have searched google and found nothing that supports your claim of a
Subaru Tractor or any farm equiment of that company. I have searched the
Subaru GLOBAL website, showing no signs of tractors or the like. If your
definition of farm equipment does not match mine, please, elighten me, but
in Texas a Tractor is farm equipment, and Subaru does not build anything
like that from my research. I could most certainly be wrong (after all I
joined a Car Forum to learn about cars), but I have found no evidence to
support your claim.
If you perhaps mean that the cars start as rally-bred vehicles than I can sort of see where you are going, but I have never seen a WRC on the cotton fields of Texas.
Well, that's what you got, because you are 13 and should be worrying about passing Pre-Algebra and not making a dumb comment about 'restoring a MKIV Supra' like they have rotting 40 year old MKIV's to restore or ones sitting in junkyards (probably you're just remembering and spewing what you saw in Fast-n-Curious). Worry about what you SHOULD be worrying about, then 15 years later, when you can even think about a buying $20k+ MKIV Supra, get back with us. BTW - I've given a lot more useful knowledge in this one post than you have in all your 100+ posts and have been a member here for quite a bit longer. Also, take the middle school 'funny' jokes with you back to pre-algebra (just an FYI).
You can bend down and kiss my brown ass bitch. Why do you feel the need to defend yourself against a thirteen year old boy then? Are you retarded? Or do you just not know the answer. I think its pretty obvious that its the latter. I am already done with algebra, something you have yet to accomplish. Also, I dont think I need to wait another 15 years because, unlike you people, I can actually get a real job that has good pay. Unlike you idiots passing on with like C+ and trying to get a job. Dont argue about intelligence with me. You may know more about cars than me, but in the end, your just an average American. So next time, think before you post, dont attack me personally, and at least have a valid excuse as to why you dont want to spread your "knowledge". ( i doubt u knew the answer in the first place)
can u prove that you can do algebra, and i doubt that any one other than GOODWILL will give a 13 year old kid "a good high paying job" over a guy who is 20 years older and who probally worked his ass off his entire life to lose his job to a spoiled PREPPY Brat
Wow did you think of that all by yourself? :laughing:
TalonNoob: what exactly does this have to do with cars? :screwy:
LOL THIS FORUM IS A JOKE I JUST WASTED 15 MINS OF MY LIFE READING THIS BITCHY CRAP FROM ALL OF U(mostly DSMer) U ALL NEED SOME PUSSY OR SOMETHING DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly. These mentally disabled dumb****s dont know how to stay on topic.
but just for arguements sake, I am going to retaliate.
First off, I dont need to prove my Algebra skills to someone who probably doesnt even know any math.
Second of all, I didnt say that I could get a higher paying job right now. I said that when I am 20 years old, I will have a much higher paying job than him, and you because I am just more intelligent than you. I make good grades without even working for it, while he is out there working his big, stupid ass off trying to get a C+. And by the way, I CAN get a higher paying job than this "man?". All I have to do is ask my dad for a spot in his bussiness.
Preppy? Are you jealous that you were an outcast during your school life? Is that why your bitching at me?
A piece of advice to the two of you: use your automotive knowledge to help people with questions. Dont bitch around and be all technical because, you two lack the intelligence to even argue your worthless posts. Have a nice day :thumbs: :smoke:
The lack of any thing that is worth reading makes my skin crawl with disgust. Take your computer, and shove it all the way up your ass. :fu: :banghead:
HAHHAHAH don't even argue then arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics.....even if you win your still retarded.
That I find quite hurtful. My uncle is a Special Olympic gold medalist in power lifting, and I find your comments about mental retardations quite annoying, stupid, and dumb. You need to carry your noobish-ness elsewhere if you feel like you can pick on Sniper here. Leave him alone, eh? You cant seem to get past the fact that he may, and probably does, no more about cars than you do, and is far more accepted here than you are. Good day! :thumbs:
what the hell is wrong with this forum....dsm and his...bitches i gues
all u do is put people down and call them needledicks....and claim you know everything while just scaring people away from the forums with your cockyness.
forums are supposed to be a place where noobs can get good clean info from veterans...not be flamed all day long...
god some car guys just let theyre "knowledge" get rammed up theyre own asses
this is so sadd.....
Thats nice... :screwy:
oh yea i almost forgot....
tomorow going to see my aunt's (soon to be my) supra
JZA70, ill still love it though :P
crap i forgot what this thread was about to i would pick the STI
DSM may like flamin new guys out, but you can't do anything about it. I
suggest you try to be compassionate and defend your opinion and not go on
the offensive. It'll look like the chinese killing buddhist monks. The
chinese come off as assh*les. (just an anology). yes, some people get
knowledge rammed up their own asses, but quit complaining. There's nothing
you can do about it. Either ignore it or defend your position the best you
can. Let the other viewers decide who's the dumbass here.
Also, DSM, although's he's kakapooie is a dumbass poster, you can be a little more allowing (lack of a better word). Give people a chance to fight their opinion and don't immediately flame them out. Knowledge flows from those who have it to those who want it. So, please, at least allow them 2 posts, 3 at tyhe most to come up with something reasonable that proves they have something useful to share or are in seek of.
I choose the Sti because I like the 0-30 sprint better, as that's where you feel the most g's, and are actually to perform as in daily driving. That, and I like AWD, harder to burn out.
yea pretty much.....except dsm is the asshole
and...about dealing with it....
first of all i shouldn't have to
and i've found much better forums where i dont have to because people there arent assholes.
oh well merry xmas :mrgreen:
Indeed! Merry Christmas to those who celebrate it, and a Happy New Year to all! :thumbs:
Hmm, I go away for a few only to return to slander by some nobody. A nobody
with very poor language skills. I suppose this "poopie" guy was expecting
picking at me expecting me to burst into an outrage of flaming. I'll hold
that almost unoticable urge to reply to him in some ******d way.
I suppose a dependant person such as yourself would need some "veteran" to hold your needle dick while you piss. However, if you are looking for that sort of thing here I guess you're just s.o.l. Seeming as that you can't even conclude what to do with a free car, one can only assume you're an ignorant little prick looking for somone to hold your hand through every step of your insignificant life. Not my job to do, and I don't care what forum you go to they won't be willing to deal with your childish bullshit for long. Unlessen that forum was hosted by your mommy, wich in that case you'd be better having her hold your hand because I don't think anyone here is willing to.
Hmmm. Anyone remember what this topic is about? DSM, I realize that you
feel you must defend your pride and all, but I think it's best if everyone
just ignores this kakapooie guy until something rationale and
understandable comes out of his mouth.
Kinda off topic (Not that it really matters), but why did toyota discontinue the 2jz and the supra? Was it that all good things had to end? They didn't want to be like the mustang? They wanted a legacy? What gives?
toyota should really bring back the supra....
but isnt the 2jz in the new camry solara? or so a freind told me...
i gues with all the high gas prices and insurance...its hard to own a big sports car like the supra.
your reply to me saying that all you do is call people needledicks...is calling me a needledick....i marvel at the way your mind works. you really need to come up with some new material.
"I'll hold that almost unoticable urge to reply to him in some ******d way."
you think this:
"I suppose a dependant person such as yourself would need some "veteran" to hold your needle dick while you piss. However, if you are looking for that sort of thing here I guess you're just s.o.l. Seeming as that you can't even conclude what to do with a free car, one can only assume you're an ignorant little prick looking for somone to hold your hand through every step of your insignificant life. Not my job to do, and I don't care what forum you go to they won't be willing to deal with your childish bullshit for long. Unlessen that forum was hosted by your mommy, wich in that case you'd be better having her hold your hand because I don't think anyone here is willing to."
you know nothing about me...making all these "assumptions" about me. i dont assume anything about you except your an asshole by the way you respond to people here on these forums.
your a funny guy dsm... :thumbs:
anyways....yea we got the stupid car started today (pre 89 supra)...couldnt do much cuz it started running out of gas and it was my dad's car battery :P.
its such a bitch to get that stupid thing down here...blehehehehahawww im going crazy
kaka, I once got in a sparing cock fight with DSM, and I never wanted it.
It was just our egos bashing into each other fighting over whos cock is
bigger. No good came from it, and no good is coming from this. You said you
have other forums where people respect you, well, if you can't stpo
fighting with DSM, then only post on thsoe forums. Like I said in earlier
posts, be compassionate and laugh/shrug it off. How many imes do I have to
say this? NO GOOD CAN COME FROM THIS. Don't keep on sniping shots at each
other (grammer?). No good came come from it. Nobody is enjoying reading you
guys bickering. let's get back to the topic at hand, which is the supra TT
vs the Sti.
also, to make things interesting, let's throw in the evo.
*Yawn* Your ignorance bores me. Yes I am an asshole(but with reason), if
thats all you can "[assume]" about me then you fall very low on my category
of intelligble people whom can "[assume]" things about me. However, while
that is your one and ONLY point you stand on. What else do you have to say?
Wow I'm an asshole, hole ass, anal orifice, jackass so sue me.
You're a dependant imebcile, but you did'nt hear me ragging on you. I don't have to assume anything about you. Your own words speak for themselves. You got anything else you want to add that might give you a lifting edge to unearth yourself from the hole of stupidity you have dug yourself in? Nah, did'nt think so.
you swear you weren't ragging on me....just stop contradicting yourself it makes u look stupid
Exactly as I thought. You have nothing else to say. You wanna be a barney baddass so bad but when somone gets on your ass then its not all funny. No one was ragging on you. I defended my possition when you decided to proclaim your dissagreance with me. Like I said before, you have nothing else to stand on other than the simple fact that I'm an asshole. Wow, good job :thumbs:. Now you can go crawl back in to your hole or f*ck off and die. Do both if you wish, I could really care less..
heh you have no idea what your talking about..
Ahhh, ignorance is bliss. Anywhos, why is this thread even still ongoing. Its worthless and meaningless. Just like shitty over here...
The thread is still going because you keep "arguing". Bitches argue, men
The thread is worthless because you keep "arguing". Bitch. You are the answer to your question.
Only a bitch would argue and venture off subject like you CONSTANTLY do.
Men don't f*cking argue like you motherf*ckers do.
Learn to ignore a bitch and arguments will go away.
I have no clue why this is still going on...
Probably because both kakapooie and DSM have to have the last word in this argument. Can we just drop it?
so are all races in straight lines :p
In this thread, I guess they are. But, wouldn' the STi be a better track car?
there is a video of my friend's supra making 1520 whp , plus if you look down there is more videos . 2 runs , inside and out , best time is 8.45 at 160mph and thats with about 1000whp +full weight (3700lb) and stock suspension , he should be able to drop 1 sec or more with 1500 + whp
The first video didnt work. Was it an auto transmission?
Ya, right. Anyway this was about stock Supra TT vs. STi.
the sti would win in a drag can we all say AWD the is the defining factor in this race
AWD is only a factor in the launch. A skyline destroys a supra in a 1/4 mile, but in the 1000 meter run, a supra wins.
Hmmm, well, if you talking non-stock, and tuned... I'm sorry to all Supra haters... But Supra OWNS the rest... Supra all the way baby... Enough said... Well, not really, I guess I would have to justify my self, but I can't be ar5ed, so im gonna leave it at that...
Jesus people. We're all looking at this topic like fools. 'Supra is better
cause it's more powerful.' 'No, Sti's are better cause they lauch faster!'
In reality it matters on the car. Hell there are light ass 1g eclipses out
there running with 1000whp and AWD. They turn like they're on friggin rails
and it's comfortable too. Does that make me think that they can beat any
car in any situation? No, because stock, the car isn't anything special and
that is what we are comparing, stock Supra TT vs. stock STi. Now,
personally the STi is my choice for better overall because it's quick, can
be easily modded, and hell it has room for everyone plus groceries. Not to
mention the famous Subaru handling incorporated into every car they have in
production. The Supra may be faster. I'm not sure cause i didn't check
stats. Going down the strip i would bet on the Supra for the 1000, but i'd
bet on the STi for the 1/4 cause it has better grip and spools faster and
is lighter. But on any track (with turns) i doubt that anyone could
disagree that a Subaru would beat the Supra hands down. stock for stock the
supra couldnt compare to the STi on twisties. Now if you want to argue
about which car modded is faster than you're just talking shit because if
Bill Gates wanted to he could build a 2,000whp Taurus that weighs about
1,800lbs and does the 1/4 in under 6 seconds. the possibliiteis are endless
when it comes to modding and if u want and you have the money you can make
a STi faster then a Supra and vice versa but we'll never really know which
is faster modded. Speed can never truely be determined but the frame of the
car has alot to do with it's handling capabilites. And the frame can't be
changed without making a completely different car. The handling can be
changed yes but only to a certain limit and basically it comes down to
whether the manufacturer wanted the car to be designed to turn quickly or
not. Now out of the Supra and STi i wonder which manufactuer was more
interested in turning...
speed is endless. the car can be made as fast as the owner is willing to try.
handling can only go as far as affecting the suspension, tires(i purposely didn't include drivetrain as it doesn't matter). but of course handling is more than a suspension. so off of the assembly line which car handles better...way better?
Based on these two criteria the OVERALL better car that i'd mod would always be the Subaru Impreza WRX STi sedan.
That was a waste of five minutes of my time..! :banghead:
Very nice post VMJYogi! I think that our times on CF directly missed each other, but I always wanted to meet you because you pissed off What at some point which obviously shows you are a good person in my book. :thumbs: Welcome back! :thumbs:
Let this thread die already. :banghead:
well i cant say i pissed off what. The guy just decided to try and talk
shit about me while i was gone but yeah i've seen you around and it's great
to be back. I'm glad we still have our regulars here. ChrisV, Cingy, Bav,
DSMer, Inygknok, Ki2AY, Importluva, Voda (i'm still lovin my gif. baby!),
Cliffy, Sti you too.
Sorry to waste your time CarEXPERT maybe i could learn something from you the day you type a paragraph of half that size. Well when you're done asking questions that is. Jus playing wit ya but did it seriously take 5 minutes to read that? It took me about 1.
He just learned how to read. We arent trying to make fun of him for it. Lol.
now i know why all you guys have suck high post totals.... if you argue like this in all the posts it should only take a few weeks to get up there :hi: :drool:
what was the point of your post? If not to post whore, then what? You bitch
and revive this old topic? I'm afraid the post whoring one here is you, not
us. Seeing as how you're reading old posts, how about reading these
This is more of an old problem, not so much a new one. And who cares about post totals? its the quality, not the quantity.