Engine swap in civic

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I have an 89 civic HB and i was wondering what engines would drop right into my car, also where is a good place to get all i need for the swap. I need to know what i would get the best performance out of

posted by  C c C

all depends on money and time

posted by  mazda6man

the question really is: "how fast do you want to spend?"

posted by  Low Impedance

Im looking for enough low-end to take off on people, but enough top-end to stay ahead... considering money isnt an issue, any ideas? if not an engine swap, maybe any other ideas?

posted by  C c C

get a supercharger for low end power, and turbo for top end.
Or get some adjustable cam gears if you dont wanna waste too much money. Advance the timeing for low end power.

posted by  CarEXPERT

Do you know a site or place as to where i can get some? and how many would i need, just 1 right?

posted by  C c C

your SOHC only need one adjustable cam gear BUT because it only uses one, dont expect it to give you a lot of torque and horsepower. You can only adjuste the timing of one cam only with a SOHC but in a doch you can time both the intake and exhaust cam to fine the maximum power.

posted by  CarEXPERT

I would suggest getting an H23, if money isn't a problem. Then get a nice centrifigul SC tuned to keep low end power up, custom tuning, then go to the track and have fun!

posted by  Zalight

this would be the "insane amount of $$$" route since this option would include heavy work on the suspension to balance out the weight of the engine.

posted by  Inygknok

If you only care about straight line go with a H series motor (h22 or h23) and turbo it...If you care to still have somewhat good handling, grab yourself a B18b and turbo it (but if you really have money to spend, grab a B20z and throw on a b16a or b16b head).

posted by  thunderbird1100

With the H series it probably wont just fit right in, especially the h23. I say if you want to save money, just turbo or supercharge your original engine.

posted by  CarEXPERT

well what is the cheapest way to go for more performance then, would a b16b be any better you think? what other litte things would add some low end? axle back?

posted by  C c C

B16b is perfect... fits right in yur car.

posted by  CarEXPERT

could i take my cold air intake off the motor i have now and put it on the new one? cause i just bought it like a month ago. also what other engines might fit right in without having to do major adjustments ect. ? would a b16b give me more power than my stock motor?

posted by  C c C

You could probably find a way to fit your CAI onto your new engine. My friend had one on his SVT focus, then got a new one for free. So we put his old one on our friends Escort ZX2. It took some...uh.."custom" hacksaw work and electrical tape to make it fit. But it works great!

posted by  Zalight

It fits, with aftermarket mounts, the h23 is the same size as the h22 just a little longer stroke...and his original engine is a POS.

posted by  thunderbird1100

The b16b is a bad idea, for one it's a very expensive motor ($4500) and doesn't make much power at all (185hp). Also, dont even think about turboing a b16b with its INSANELY high compression ratio. A h22a4 stock makes 200hp and is $2000 complete while also a B18b is only $800 and makes 140hp stock.

posted by  thunderbird1100

So should i go for a "h22a4" then? would it mount right in then withaftermarket mounting kit? also, whats a good source to get this engine?

posted by  C c C

www.jaydm.com

Should be around $2000 complete if you look around, check HASPORT for mounts and wiring leave to the installers...

posted by  thunderbird1100

Why the hell would you put a H series motor into a 89 Civic :screwy: ? What the hell are you people talking about? Not only is Inygknok correct about the H series engine (almost 90lbs more) changing the suspension characteristics of a car that is supposeldy one of the top handling FWD next to the Integra Type-R, but the H22's have a poor rod stroke ratio wich will limit the reving ability on the motor and thus decreasing the overall top end capability. Not to mention he'll most likely have to give up A/C for fitement issues. I'm no Honda expert but any of them will tell you the H22 is not a good swap choice for the Civic.

You have some very good choices of the B16 or B18. Not only are these very efficient swaps pricewise and reliability but they (unlike the H22) will be able to support high end horsepower. No need to worry about bringing forced induction into the picture as you will be able to produce upwards of 300-380HP on a nicely built B-series block. Not that you can't turbo it but most Honda guys tend to keep N/A in the picture.

You'll save more money and the engine will fit better than a H-series. Not to mention the driveablility and suspension charactersitics will be uncanny to that of the Integra Type-R. ..

posted by  DSMer

DSMer, what engine are you saying i should get then? I want enough low end speed to take off on someone, but just enough high end to stay ahead.
Are you saying i should just go with a b16b or a b18b?

posted by  C c C

Thats what every engineer wants. Great low end and top end power. Realisticly you're not going to get 100% of both worlds so you'll have to work arround either getting moderatley decent low end with very well responding high end power(wich is what most Honda B blocks will give you). Or you can sacrifice high end power for lower end torque(wich is what a H block will do). You can't have both.

Your car is a FWD, lets be realistic. You're not going to pull off faster than anything that has a nice powerplant with RWD or AWD. It is evidently true that most CRX's/89 Civics will produce 0-60 times in under or arround 5 seconds with a B series swap and minor aftermarket upgrades. Maybe with some time, money, and effort that 5 will turn into a low 4 or high 3. Its all possible, but there is a saying that speed costs money.

Exactly how fast do you want to go?

posted by  DSMer

DSMer, I dontthink you can get 300-380 with an all motor b16. Anyways why would you want to all motor it cuz all motor is more expensive for horsepower than boost. Boost is cheaper than all motor and will give you more hp. There are not a lot of things you can do when you go all motor.


CCC, with a FWD you dont want too much torque because your wheels will spin off the line. So I rather have more horsepower in a FWD and lesser torque so I can get off the line without too much wheel spin and then second gear fast...

posted by  CarEXPERT

So go for a b16b then?

posted by  C c C

Yes, thats what I would do if I didnt have that much money. K20a if you have $$$$

posted by  CarEXPERT

well i have been looking around and i noticed the major price difference in the b16b and the b18b. what is the major difference between these two? also would a b18b drop right in?

posted by  C c C

B16b is more expensive because it comes out of the civic type R while the b18b comes from the integras. The major diffrence is the b16b give you MORE horsepower and torque than a b18b. B16b is vtec and b18b is not.

posted by  CarEXPERT

DSMer, I dontthink you can get 300-380 with an all motor b16.
I suppose you'd "know" that because you've tried huh? Yes 300-380 is possible with an all motor civic. There are all motor civics running 9's at over 500HP. I don't even think you have the credentials to speak on the behalf of this subject so why are you even trying?

Anyways why would you want to all motor it cuz all motor is more expensive for horsepower than boost.
Who told you that? Or again is that something you "know" from experience?

Boost is cheaper than all motor and will give you more hp. There are not a lot of things you can do when you go all motor.
You're missing the point at hand. The block does'nt need to be turbocharged for him to get what he wants. The car is allready light as it is theres no need for him to turbocharge it if he can get the response and power he wants from a simple swap with a few bolt-ons.


CCC, with a FWD you dont want too much torque because your wheels will spin off the line. So I rather have more horsepower in a FWD and lesser torque so I can get off the line without too much wheel spin and then second gear fast.

Omg, its like watching the blind lead the blind. You don't have a f*cking clue what you're talking about and you damn well know it. Just stop right now before you confuse him with more bullshit than you allready have.

Yes, thats what I would do if I didnt have that much money. K20a if you have $$$$
WHAT THE :cussing: . ARGHH :banghead: CarNewb, shut up seriously. I'm sure he appreciates you trying to help but you don't have a f*cking clue.

CCC, you can either go with a B18 or B16, it does'nt really matter to that great of a difference(Most choose the B16 for its simplicity and cost). Including the price of the engine you're going to need a couple new things for the new engine. Including but limitied to:
Axles
Transmission
Motor Mounts
Shift linkage
Exhaust headers
Wiring harness kit

If you're as serious as you say you are about the motor swap you're looking to spend anywhere from $3000-4000 depending on where you can cut cost or do things yourself. The cheapest you'll probably be able to get away with this with is $2800. The guys down at www.hondaswap.com will help you with any additional information you need and the good people at www.hasport.com will supply you with all the prefabed shift linkages, wiring kits, axles, and motor mounts. The information provided within this post should get you headed in the right direction. Find a good company like www.totaljdm.com or a REPUTABLE(can't stress that enough) person or company that sells JDM engines. So look into the cost, and see what you want to you. Good Luck :thumbs:

posted by  DSMer

Well thx a load Dsmer i really appreciate it. ill look into all you have let me know about. if i need answers to some questions i know who to turn to. you obviously know wtf is going on unlike others so i just gotta say thx for the help and the luck haha im gonna need it. well im off thx!

-J

posted by  C c C

wait one more thing, should i get a b16b, a b16ag1 or b16ag2? i noticed the huge price difference...

posted by  C c C

Go with the one out the 89-91 Civic. That way the OBD won't pose a broblem. So I think the B16B is the one from the 89-91 SiR.

posted by  DSMer

B16A G1 (JDM '88-91 Civic SiR)
B16A G2 (JDM '92-95 Civic SiR2,93-95 Del Sol VTEC)
B16B (JDM '97-01 Civic Type-R)
B18B G1 (JDM '94-96 Integra)
B18B G2 (JDM '97-01 Integra)
B18C G1 (JDM '94-96 Integra GS-R)
B18C G2 (JDM '97-01 Integra GS-R)
B18C-R (JDM '98-01 Integra Type-R)
B18C-R (JDM '96-97 Integra Type-R)
B20B (JDM '97-98 CR-V)
D15B (JDM '92-95 Civic CX/DX)
F20B (JDM '97-01 Accord Euro-R)
H22A G1 (JDM '92-96 Prelude VTEC)
H22A G2 (JDM '97-01 Prelude VTEC)
H22A-S (JDM '97-01 Prelude Type-S)
H23A (JDM '92-96 Prelude VTEC)


so get b16a G1? :mrgreen:

posted by  C c C

Looks like that would be the wiser choice.

posted by  DSMer

DSMER, Ok the first part was kind of an opinoion but what I said about FWD and having too much torque will just make the wheels spin is TRUE!!! Tell me why you think this is wrong DSMER! Thats why turbo lag in a FWD i can be good because in first gear you wont get torque but after you get traction and go to second you will get boost then. ( DSMer looks like you have 'no clue' either cuz you dont need engine mounts for thatswap)
cCCC, and you wont need motor mounts for b16 or 18 swap.

posted by  CarEXPERT

DSMER, Ok the first part was kind of an opinoion but what I said about FWD and having too much torque will just make the wheels spin is TRUE!!! Tell me why you think this is wrong DSMER!
Any car will have wheel spin, regardless to it being AWD, FWD, RWD or having low torque outuput. Limiting the torque is'nt a valid solution.

Thats why turbo lag in a FWD i can be good because in first gear you wont get torque but after you get traction and go to second you will get boost then.
Turbo lag is never good. Its can potentially be dangerous

( DSMer looks like you have 'no clue' either cuz you dont need engine mounts for thatswap)
cCCC, and you wont need motor mounts for b16 or 18 swap.
I think you missed the part where I said "Including but limited to:" Again your efforts are appreciated, but no thanks.

posted by  DSMer

heh, so should i get aftermarket mounts?

posted by  C c C

Well the engine mounts in there may be good and intact, but after almost 15 years of usage and or abuse would you trust them?

posted by  DSMer

nah lol. oh yeah, is there a site/place where i could get the engine, transmission, and whatever else i needed all at once? Parting is so not fun haha

posted by  C c C

DSMer, FWD will have the MOST WHEEL SPIN!! Because when u accelerate the weightgo to the back of the car so the front wheels will not have as much traction as a RWD OR AWD. So by having too much torque to the front wheels while launching will make the front start to lift and the wheels will spin.
How can turbo lag be dangerous DSMer?

posted by  CarEXPERT

Not necessarily true. ANY car will spin the wheels easily if there is not enough traction for the power. My stock 2 liter Pinto would smoke the rear tire all day long if I wanted.

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because when you ask a car for power to be delivered smoothly coming out of a corner, and the lag makes the power be dilvered late and hard, it can cause all sorts of problems. Think about going thorugh a corner hitting the throttle, and waiting until...whenever, for the power to arrive.

posted by  ChrisV

I beleive totaljdm.com has the engine and tranny. If not you can always do a google for "JDM engines"

Thank you ChrisV. CarNEWB just was'nt getting it through his head about wheelspin. Better you explain sometimes, it just seems to work a little better that way. :thumbs:

posted by  DSMer

i found a site with a b16 for apx. 1200 bux plus like 300 shipping... is this a good deal or should i keep looking around

posted by  C c C

i drove on two bad mounts before! my old N/A 7 had no rubber left, it hit the bolt retaining the motor to the mount....for both mounts...really, the motor was held down by the transmission.... :thumbs:

posted by  Low Impedance

ouch haha

posted by  C c C

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