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I havent heard much about SAABs lets talk about some SAABs lol, when i first learned to drive a stick shift it was in a SAAB lol :D

posted by  carlover

I think theres a little too much "lol"ing going on right now. Saabs are no joke, theyre cool cars that last forever, just like Volvos.

posted by  SuperJew

dont forget there safe and OMG you have to be in one with my dad lol any sports car with my dad, it`s so much fun switching onto different highways lol he doesent even slow down lol he just keeps on goin even when the tires are smokin he just keeps goin round and SAABs handle better then people think lol my dads listenin to some fast music the faster he drives lol

posted by  carlover

OMG!!Can you please split up your bullshit sentences!Also stop with the stupid "lol".I also use the slang sometimes,but you use it in every sentence,and who cares about how your dad drives.He's just proving that he has no imagination and whenever he gets into a car he goes for his death sentence!

posted by  vwmaniac

More krap from our beloved little boy...

posted by  BavarianWheels

I agree...

posted by  vwmaniac

Volvo and saab make some of the safest cars in the world. you can get some pretty nifty saabs with near 300HP i think.

posted by  Arthur

saab 9-5 aero faster 30 - 70 mph than a porsche 911 turbo, thats fast!

posted by  Flying_Dane

I just bought (dont laugh) a 1982 Saab 900 for £150 and so far It's the most reliable car I've owned and it's probably the only car that will withstand an accident with a Volvo! I'm no great fan of Saabs but for reliable transport you cant fault them...oh and its not a Turbo Grrrrrr

posted by  Cliffy

Pssshhh sell it and get a SPG turbo ok? Then after i fix up my volvo a little we can race ;P right now i need to do a few things!

posted by  Arthur

I've never seen a two door Volvo 240 before, looks clean though, I'm afraid the Saab's nearly been sold, it was costing me too much in fuel so I now drive a 1.8 Turbo.....diesel Ford Escort lol, it's quicker than my Saab though :smoke:

posted by  Cliffy

Did you know the Volvo invented the seat belt???

posted by  Car Guy

Yup, in 1849 I believe, where would we be without the good 'ol Swedish cars lol. I'm not Volvo or Saab's greatest fan but you cant fault the safety of these cars...They were also and probably still are made of strengthend materials too, to withstand harsh weather conditions, okay if your the driver of one, not so okay if your in an accident with one though I guess lol!

posted by  Cliffy

Well i dont know Ford owns both of thoes companys now and they already runied Jaguar (in my option) but you could be right i think the new SAABs look pretty cool i would get one

posted by  Car Guy

I thought saab was chevy owned? anyway, Volvo wont allow ford to alter there design, it wont happen.

posted by  Arthur

I didn't know Volvo had a design lol j/k. I never knew Saab was owned by anybody else! Dont Renault own Volvo? If so I'd be more worried about them ruining the design :laughing:

posted by  Cliffy

No,Ford owns Volvo now, and SAAB is owned by GMC.

posted by  vwmaniac

the Volvo car section is owned by ford but ford has no control over volvos design of there cars.

posted by  Arthur

Milestones in pre-automotive history. The seatbelt was invented in 1849. Must have been for the Swedish horse and buggy.

posted by  vwhobo

Well uh, no and they don't either. I won't pretend to know exactly who, what, when or how the seatbelt was invented but... They were in use as early as the 1930's in the US. First installed by doctors who thought they would make driving safer.

However Volvo is credited, at least within their own literature, as having invented the 3-point safety belt. I think you could find more than a few people who would dispute that fact. Again I won't pretend to know for sure but I feel they're using a very narrow definition to make that claim.

posted by  vwhobo

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According to the movie, Tucker was the first to implement seatbelts in the American market.
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posted by  BavarianWheels

Agreed. I was simply using their word which was "invented".

posted by  vwhobo

I was just throwing out some of my vast knowledge. :laughing:
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posted by  BavarianWheels

http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bl_seat_belts.htm
Volvo had the first safety belts in 1849. The first U.S. patent for automobile seat beats was issued to Edward J. Claghorn of New York, New York on February 10, 1885. Claghorn was granted United States Patent #312,085 for a Safety-Belt for tourists, described in the patent as "designed to be applied to the person, and provided with hooks and other attachments for securing the person to a fixed object."

Swedish inventor, Nils Bohlin invented the three-point seat belt - not the first but the modern seatbelt - now a standard safety device in most cars. Nils Bohlin's lap-and-shoulder belt was introduced by Volvo in 1959.

2-Point Seat Belt: A restraint system with two attachment points. A lap belt.

3-Point Seat Belt: A seat belt with both a lap and a shoulder portion, having three attachment points (one shoulder, two hips).

Lap Belt: A seat belt anchored at two points, for use across the occupant's thighs/hips.

Lap/Shoulder Belt: A seat belt that is anchored at three points and restrains the occupant at the hips and across the shoulder; also called a “combination belt”.

posted by  Arthur

Okay, you got me. Or perhaps more correctly you've proven what I've said time and time again. Just because it's on the internet doesn't make it true. Let's apply just a teeny tiny amount of critical thinking to this subject, shall we?

According to your source, Volvo invented the seatbelt in 1849, which as I said earlier is pre-automotive history. Here's the problem. The founders of Volvo, Assar Gabrielsson and Gustaf Larson weren't even born until the 1890's. Furthermore they didn't get together and start their company until 1924. So please explain to me how the company invented ANYTHING 75 years before it was founded. Okey, dokey?

posted by  vwhobo

Woah buddy remove the broom and calm down i mearly Copy posted One source. I never said you where wrong or argued about it.

posted by  Arthur

Don't recall saying you did. On the other hand if you're going to cite an example, it might be a good idea to read it first.

posted by  vwhobo

Saabs are good but they are no longer independent. Volvos are tanks on weels but i'm here to tell you bout the Sweeds supercar SLAYER! The Koenigsegg CC8S and CCR.
heres the specs.
Koenigsegg.com Vehical Specs. (http://www.koenigsegg.se/thecars/index.asp?submenu=4)
Of course Scince it's made by sweeds it's safe! it's the origanl Enzo.

posted by  Hiens

the origanl? is that some form of origami? :banghead:

:cussing:

posted by  SuperJew

:fu: ha yah right. :fu:

posted by  Hiens

you realize that the "fu" emoticon will not solve anything, right? :banghead:

posted by  SuperJew

awwww... pimp slapp him, come on, you know you want to... :thumbs: :hi: :thumbs: :hi: :thumbs:

posted by  R34RB30DETTV

SJ, please refer to your own rules on pimp slapping :tomato:

posted by  lectroid

yah, but it gets the point across.

posted by  Hiens

thats why im not going to pimp slap him now. :thumbs:

posted by  SuperJew

NO ford owns volvo, but gmc owns saab

posted by  BAVARIANM5WORKS

village idiot!!

:tomato: :tomato: :tomato:

posted by  SuperJew

Just because you dont like me, doesnt mean that you have to pick out my every little flaw. I messed up and did not read that somone had allready stated that OK? I mean is that allright?

posted by  BAVARIANM5WORKS

oh no im not picking out your every flaw..i just do that to every post of yours. :laughing:

posted by  SuperJew

LOL okay fine, But i do like your rick james thing

posted by  BAVARIANM5WORKS

Hey, Bavarian Masturbator, what happened to this?


I thought you were too busy with your incestuous parents and going to college to hang out with the trailer trash. Does this mean that on top of conceited and stupid you're adding liar to your resume?

posted by  vwhobo

Please take this out side.

posted by  Hiens

what outside you dumb sh*t? maybe you can be the new village idiot...

:tomato:

posted by  SuperJew

more like take him outside... and if you need me to specify who "him" is out of VW and the Bavarian Masturbator then you are as bad as the two village idiots we have here... :stupid: :banghead:

posted by  R34RB30DETTV

can you start talkin bout' saabs agin?

posted by  Hiens

Ugg! SAABs! UGG!! They are owned by GM...I end my statement!

posted by  StiMan

Lol.. :laughing:

posted by  R34RB30DETTV

I do beleive that i said that i would not respond in the focus forum anymore!!!!!!!!!!!

posted by  BAVARIANM5WORKS

No Zippy, what you said was;


Since don't understand what you wrote let me spell it out for you. You don't like us and you're not coming back. Buh bye.

posted by  vwhobo

Dude I have read the posts...and you are over reacting...just go somewhere else and such! :2cents:

posted by  StiMan

doesnt mean GM plays any part in designing the saabs, same goes with volvo. Ford owns volvo, GM owns saab but neither of the american companys Design cars for the companys they own.

posted by  Arthur

Really? I didnt think that...I know that they use the same engines...I have read that before....

By the by: nice 242Ti!

posted by  StiMan

well lets see. the new saabs (9-2, 9-7) both look like another GM owned manufacturer. The 9-2 looks like a Suburu because suburu is making it so it can get released faster. Also the 9-7 looks like a trail blazer because the design used to work for GM and it sold well in the US which just happens to be the 9-7's target sales drive.

posted by  Hiens

Baaahha, saab woudlnt still be holding the record for one of the safest car companys in the world if GM hepled design the cars. Saab and volvo May take hints from there Gm/ford counter parts but i HIGHLY Doubt that GM/ford actually do any of the designing.

posted by  Arthur

There's a record now for being the safest car company? Do they have a ceremony on a TV show or does that information just come out in a book?

There is no doubt that Saab builds very safe cars but to say they hold the "record" is simply absurd.

posted by  vwhobo

if anyone were to hold this "record" it would be Volvo anyways...

posted by  SuperJew

It's actually tied. Saab and Mercades. Volvo is seccong but i think their proding some new stuuf that will try and bosst em' to at least tie or surpass Saab and Mercades. Also the 9-2 and 9-7 haven't been tested yet.

posted by  Hiens

Dude I seriously think that Volvos are the safest cars...MB maybe tied with them, but not SAAB...

posted by  StiMan

Trollhättan, 26 November 2002


Highest marks awarded to the Saab 9-3 Sports Sedan:
Saab 9-3 Sports Sedan receives maximum five stars in EuroNCAP's collision test


The new Saab 9-3 Sports Sedan is awarded a maximum five star rating in the latest round of EuroNCAP collision tests, the most prestigious in Europe. The full results will be published in a widely-respected consumer report.


"These excellent results are very gratifying. EuroNCAP is an independent organisation, completely separate from car manufacturers, whose evaluations contain accessible and objective information for car consumers. That is why our goal was to finish at the top of the rankings. However, our Real Life Safety concept is, as always, the controlling factor which guides collision safety development at Saab," says Per Lenhoff, Head of Crash Safety Development at Saab Automobile.


In plain language, Real Life Safety means that Saab's goal is to develop cars which provide the best possible safety in real world crashes. That is why Saab's technicians continually examine cars which have been involved in actual collisions. The results of these studies form the basis for improvements in construction and safety solutions, in addition to Saab's own collision testing programme methods which comprise a total of 75 different test configurations.


"Real-life situations are difficult to predict and no two collisions are alike. That is why the lessons learned from actual collisions contribute invaluable information and why we perform tests which are considerably tougher and more comprehensive than those required by law," says Per Lenhoff.


EuroNCAP conducts tests using three types of collision: a frontal impact and two different kinds of side impact. The test results are then evaluated according to a large number of parameters relating to driver and passenger safety. These are the tests for which the Saab 9-3 Sports Sedan has now been awarded five stars; a follow-up to the Saab 9-5's success in 2000, when it was judged to be the best car tested to date by EuroNCAP.


During the past year, Saab has attracted a great deal of attention due to the impressive results of several field studies involving SAHR (Saab Active Head Restraint), which has been standard equipment in both the Saab 9-3 and the 9-5 since 1998. In November 2001, The Journal of Trauma in the United States published a comparison study between SAHR-equipped Saabs and older Saabs with traditional head restraints. The survey was based on actual collisions and showed that SAHR reduces the risk of serious whiplash injuries as a result of rear-end impacts. by 75 per cent


Recently, the American research institute IIHS (Insurance Institute for Highway Safety) and British insurance research center at Thatcham published reports also stating that SAHR provides very effective protection. Both the IIHS (www.hwysafety.org) and Thatcham (www.thatcham.org) are organisations which are owned by insurance companies. The Saab 9-5 has also generated interest in the US by receiving the highest marks in IIHS and USNCAP (www.NHTSA.com) consumer laboratory collision tests.


For further additional information, please contact: Christer Nilsson, Press Relations Manager, Saab Automobile, tel. +46 520 854 86, e-mail christer.u.nilsson@saab.com Per Lenhoff, Head of Crash Safety Development, Saab Automobile, tel. +46 520 865 65, e-mail: per.lenhoff@saab.com


You can find more information on EuroNCAP, European New Car Assessment Programme, at:
www.euroncap.com

posted by  Hiens

Thank you for 1000 words of absolutely nothing. I don't think there's anyone here who has said Saab doen't make a safe car. Unfortunately the evidence you presented in no way compares the Saab to any other make, so how does it prove they're the safest?

posted by  vwhobo

Ya...I was kinda wondering about that....

posted by  StiMan

Agreed, all that proves is that Saabs are safe cars..Renault's new Laguna received five stars in the crash tests too..as did many other manufaturers, all that statement proves is that cars are getting progressivly safer..which is good!

posted by  Cliffy

Agreed! Kias and Fords (not putting them down) also have 5 stars on some of their cars, but they are far from being the safest!

posted by  StiMan

weeeellll. looks like i'm gunna be busy for a while so talk to y'all when i get proof.

posted by  Hiens

heres some more stuff.

http://www.euroncap.com/content/safety_ratings/ratings.php?id1=4

http://www.euroncap.com/content/safety_ratings/ratings.php?id1=3

so tell me how many car co's get a 5 star rating on all of their current production models without being in the top 2 or 3?

posted by  Hiens

I'd like to say 'see ya when you get proof' too, but I know for a fact that if any modern car has to be the safest Renault would piss all over Saab, if I were to have read your post a few months ago or even a few weeks ago I'd probably of said Saabs are safest too...but I wouldn't of set out to prove it!

posted by  Cliffy

I'm still waiting to see the "record".

posted by  vwhobo

I am still waiting to see that, and there are many cars with 5 stars on your sheet: (Companies with cars that have 5 stars from your research at http://www.euroncap.com/content/safety_ratings/ratings.php?id1=3) Mercedes-Benz, Renault, Toyota. (Many have several cars in it were as Saab has only one....and these stats are Euro only, you need to get the "record" to beat all cars...Case closed! :banghead:

posted by  StiMan

Still no luck

posted by  Hiens

Afraid so...

posted by  StiMan

lol
i'm not really tryin.

posted by  Hiens

Uh..huh....right...

posted by  StiMan

LOL it's tru. I'm more interested in GT3 and buying stuff offf ebay. Besides I've lost my respect for Saab sceince they were totally bought by GM.

posted by  Hiens

Ya, me too.

posted by  StiMan

Exactly. Thats why i go for independent Co.'s. They are the tru manufactutors that make vehicals for drivers not just for show.

posted by  Hiens

Sorry.. but volvos may be safe and all, but they have Very poor performance and repair records. a common misconception, just because they made a safe car, doesnt mean its gunna work good, even check out the auto consumerguides... neway... my sister has a 98 saab 900 turbo and i think it kicks ass.

posted by  salomonski4376

The only cars for model year 2004 to receive perfect ratings by the U.S. Department of Transportation's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) and the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS):
only eight cars scored perfect in every category and test last year

1)Audi A4
2)Ford Crown Victoria
3)Mercury Grand Marquis
3)Mercury Marauder
4)Lincoln Town Car
5)Volkswagen New Beetle
6)Volvo S80
7)Toyota Corolla
8)(Forbes says there are eight, but I only count seven)

http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/2004/06/08/cx_dl_0608feat.html

hmm... no Saabs...
Oh, and what's that? Ford looks to be the safest company with it's large platform cars and Volvo all up there...

posted by  Gothicaleigh

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