Hey, I just wanted to ask you all a question. I don't know too much about
the internals of a car, but here it goes.
I was on a forum the other day trying to find out how I can make my car louder or have a deeper sound to it. I ran across a post in a honda forum and it goes as read:
I drive a Mercedes-Benz C230 Kompressor and I wanted to know if this was an effective way of increasing airflow and giving the car a deeper sound. Will it work for all cars?
Thanks for that quick and to-the-point response.. will it work for my car though?
If your purpose is to make the car louder, yes it will although I can't see
the point in doing so. I mean after all it's a Mercedes. As for
increasing airflow and performance, maybe under certain conditions but not
likely. Will it filter as effectively as stock? Most probably not, and
along with less efficient filtering goes increased and accelerated engine
There's a reason that airbox is there in the first place. If you feel backyard engineering is better than DCX engineering I say go for it. Just be prepared to pay the price.
Yeah I don't plan on doing anything drastic to my beautiful car ;) (after all, like you said.. it IS a Mercedes), but I just wanted to know what it would sound like. But if I DO like the sound that I get from it, you suggest that I should get a performance intake instead of trying to do it the ghetto way?
Yes, just don't go the cheapest route. Buy a quality product like K&N, AEM, etc. I don't know who makes one but I'm sure they're available.
I wouldn't even bother with a K&N as these just seem to mess with emissions on most cars although it maybe diffrerent with your Merc!
Please expand on your statement and explain how "a K&N as these just seem to mess with emissions on most cars". Thank you.
For me and my 1987 BMW 325, the smog places wouldn't even allow me to attempt a smog inspection with the K&N breather. They said it was an aftermarket add on (duh) and since the car was "altered" they could not even try the smog. I had to go and buy a stock system and install and then get the smog check done.
vwhobo, I think Bavarian just answered your question. In my experience, older cars at least seem to run far too rich with a K&N, And anyway why pay £60-£70 (UK) for an induction kit when you will be lucky to gain an extra 7 or 8 horsies?
Q: why pay for 7-8 HP?
A: because it's a re-usable filter, when you notice it's getting dirty, take it off, clean it, spray it with the oil and you are done
price for the oil? somewhere around $9 depending on where you buy it, maybe double the price of a filter, but the bottle will last for more times than the two filters you could have bought for the same price
and if the smog place won't test your car
A) hold onto the stock piece when test time rolls around
B) get it registered somewhere smog-exempt
and just as my opinion, i wouldn't buy a K&N for a Merc, maybe the universal filter in place of a regular one (for above reasons), but not a CAI to replace the stock one
Because you bought a system that isn't CARB (California Air Resources
Board) certified. All you need is the CARB certificate and they cannot
fail you for the visual.
No he didn't Cliffy old boy but it was a nice try. You stated "these just seem to mess with emissions on most cars" implying emissions output not visual inspection. You then back-up that implication with the statement in your last post. So let's get technical and stop your BS spewing.
I think we can agree that a K&N will provide increased airflow, how much or little is not important. On a computer controlled, fuel injected engine the MAF, MAS or MAP monitors intake airflow so the PCM will compensate for the additional upstream airflow. There will be no change in emissions output.
On a carbureted engine the increased airflow will if anything cause the engine to run leaner, not richer as you so incorrectly guess. The only place we come close to agreeing is the cost versus benefit ratio. But as asa67_stang says, the K&N is essentially a lifetime filter.
For example my new (newest?) Jetta a replacement filter costs $12 while the K&N replacement cost $55. In 20k miles it pays for itself and after that point it's making me money. The fact that I get better filtration and somewhat higher flow is just a freebie.
Cliffy, facts not fiction.
vwhobo, Note the 'In my experience' bit, may I just point out that although you are right in what you say I was in NO way 'BS spewing' as you so politely put it.