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I am thinking seriously about buying a Porsche - I can't really afford it
:wink2: , but I'm thinking of buying a Cayenne SUV. Does anyone have
experience with a Porsche? Would you recommend them? (Any model or year -
not just the one I am looking at)
jimeverett
If you cant afford why buy one? Do you like seeing vehicles get repoed?
thunderbird1100
Owned 6 of them. 4 of the 944's (one went over 300K miles), a boxster, and
a 911.
Very reliable well built car.
But again...why buy if you can't afford it? Even with a warranty, it's
still expensive to maintain....
DiabloSV
.........$20,000 repair bills and a mortgage later :laughing:
99integra
Umm... not gonna help you here. If you can afford a rich man's car and you
arent a rich man, dont buy it.
StiMan
before you you buy...how about trying Porsche's Driving experience to see
if you even like them...
it's better than test drive...you may find it's not right for you.
and look at TCO (total cost of ownership)....
DiabloSV
God, the Cayenne is the worst Porsche imo. A Porsche SUV, lame. If you want
a Porsche, and are on a limited budget, get a 944 turbo. They sell for
under 10k.
PontiacFan27
For some reason I find nothing lame about a 450hp 460tq mid-size SUV that
can go 165mph and handles better than some sports cars. Not to mention it's
one of the only FEW good looking SUV's out on the road. Not to mention is a
capable off-roader with almost 11" of ground clearance (Air ride
suspension).
thunderbird1100
They dont all have the 450 hp engine, thats the top of the line Turbo. The
base one (still $45k ish) has 247 hp.
Edit: oops, I think the Base one is lower than that by a bit...
StiMan
I do :fu:
SUVs are lame, if you wanna haul people, get a minivan. If you want
offroadability, get a Jeep Wrangler, or bigger a Hummer. If you want sport
get a coupe or roadster.
PontiacFan27
What if you want to haul people off-road, and then speed away from the
cops? :laughing:
chris_knows
Since when is it more economical and cheaper to buy a minivan, a hummer and
a sports car rather than just getting an SUV that does all three? Plus you
cant drive all three vehicles at once!
THAT'S why people would buy a Cayenne/Cayenne S. :banghead:
thunderbird1100
I think Cayenne interiors feel very cheap, and I was quite dissapointed the
first time I sat in one. The Carrera interior is much nicer, and feels
more Porsche-like.
And yeah I think its lame that Porsche went into the SUV market, but don't
get me started on that.
Mathew
Lol! Very nicely put.
The fact is that people that buy Porsches often have other vehicles, too.
Many have high end SUVs. Porsche rightly assumed that if htey were buying
SUVs anyhow, why not make a Porsche one to sit next to the Porsche sports
car in the driveway instead of an Escalade, Range Rover, or BMW. Or, if
they couldn't justify a sports car as a only car or a family car, why not
make a car they COULD justify, so that Porsche could still get THOSE
buyers?
They worked with VW for economies of scale, but engineered the best utility
vehicle they could, with the best onroad performance of any SUV while still
retaining towing and offroad capability. It truly is the "Porsche of
SUVs."
Porsche was looking at the market that already HAS a porsche, but buys a
different brand for the daily driver/family car/tow vehicle. So they built
an SUV with all teh engineering expertise of Porsche the sports car
company. While still retaining much of what SUVs were supposed to be good
at.
The average sports car, as a car, has some deficiencies which require you
to have another vehicle to do many of the things you require a daily driver
vehicle to do. Like carry more than a comfortable front passenger and a
really scrunched up rear passenger. Having Porsche build both your fun car
and the practical, all terrain, people and stuff carrier that it shares the
driveway/garage with makes sense for those that have the money to do it.
I can see everyone's gripe if Porsche was replacing the 911 series with
this, but that isn't the case. This is a Porsche that can do a lot of
things that the regular 911 cannot do, while retaining a lot of what it can
do. Being sold to those people of means that still cannot justify owning
only a sports car, but want the same levels of quality engineering and
ability.
http://www.izoom.com/porschecayenne_towing.jpg
http://www.niello.com/catalog/2003041817540073a.jpg
And Pontiacfan, I HAVE a Range Rover SUV. A comfortable daily driver, good
in all conditions, easy to carry everything we need (like 4x8 sheets of
plywood and roofing supplies last weekend), comfortable for trips, more
versatile and tows more than any minivan and more dialy driver friendly
than a pickup truck.
The fact that you can't figure out why other people might want something
you dont' proves how closed minded and inexperienced you really are.
ChrisV
i'll get you a link to an ebook with all you need to know about buying a
porsche
Benjin
I KNOW you did NOT just tell somebody to buy a minivan . I seriously
cannot put into words my disgust for this statement, I'm borderline
dumbfounded. That is just the most retarded, idiotic, stupid thing I've
ever seen on this discussion board.
You want to buy a Porsche? Oh, you should go buy a minivan instead, that's
way cooler. I mean seriuosly, did you fall and hit your head this morning?
Did 75% of your brain leak out of your ear after you fell? Did they
cauterize the wound with a branding iron to stop the rest of your brain
from falling out?
I have absolutely no respect for you any longer... sorry.
Bino
I don't agree with him either, but what's wrong with minivans?
hondaman
This model is not off-the-charts expensive. I was half joking about not
being able to afford it. Yes, it will be a little tight, but we can make
it.
jimeverett
My statement was not about the actual purchasing of the car, it was about
the fact that any repair on the car (however minute) is quite expensive. It
was a piece of knowledge my father gave me when he was recollecting a MB
sedan that he bought from his mom after his Nova started to die after law
school. The car didnt cost much, but the fact that it broke alot and that
every part was expensive (the oil filter was even some special thing that
could only come from MB) during a time he had little money made him come to
that statment. They have financing and such for buying the car, but they
dont usually have programs to pay for maitenance. :2cents:
StiMan
Alright, alright, I deserved that. I can afford it - we will just have to
budget wisely. Sorry to mislead you.
jimeverett
Your comments about the repair are VERY helpful. I know someone with a
Jaguar who regrets the day he bought it for THAT reason. That is definitely
something to take into serious consideration. Thanks.
jimeverett
Excellent ideas - I am already following up. THANKS!!
jimeverett
No prob man, just didnt want you to dig yourself into a hole. :thumbs:
StiMan
the issue of repairs shouldn't be one for the first few years. And if you
lease it, it should be a non-issue unless you do something to break it in a
non-warranteeable fashion.
I've owned a number of older Porsches and never had a repair cost issue.
ChrisV
Very true - that is one of the reasons i am running this thread... :wink2:
jimeverett
Maybe there is a difference between the older models and the current?
jimeverett
Why lame? I am just starting to explore the possibility now - I have no
assumptions. The 944 turbo wouldn't work with a family.... :wink2:
jimeverett
Interesting. Thanks for the heads-up.
jimeverett
German cars (on average) now have the second worst reliability (US cars are
first, then German cars, then Japanese) on average. Now I know that ChrisV
and tons of other people are gonna get pissed by that, but its fact, its in
a Automobile mag from earlier this year. Its simply because they are trying
to make them all so complicated now. :thumbs:
StiMan
And to think I thought you were going to rag on him because in another
thread he was saying stuff TOTALLY against buying minivans. Now it seems
he's recommending a minivan over a Porsche Cayenne S. I think he MIGHT be
bi-polar, or quite possibly jus ta hypocrite. :laughing:
thunderbird1100
No, it is a fact. VWs are the worst offenders in the reliability ratings.
Porsche's aren't to bad, and the fact is, you don't have to pay for repairs
in the warranty period. So cost of repairs for the first few years is
pretty much a non-issue, as I said.
The thing is, I hear people sayiong don't get an old Porsche or something
like that as the cost of repairs is so high. The fact is, most of them
don't need major repairs, only minor things that can often be lived with.
So when I hear the same thing about newer ones from non-Porsche owners, I
have to take teh comment with a grain of salt, as it's merely hearsay. And
new ones should need no out of pocket expenditures for repairs for quite a
while (the Porsche dealers are usually better about that than the VW
dealers are).
Whether they are in the shop a lot is a different story, and one I can't
comment on from personal experience. But it should still not cost the owner
during the warranty period.
ChrisV
Thanks
jimeverett
That's a shift. I had always heard that German cars were the top when it
came to reliability. So it sounds llike they WERE, but have lost some of
the reliability they had.
jimeverett
Thats what I said just forgot the apostrophe, sorry. :laughing:
jimeverett, if you are looking for a really reliable car your best bet is a
Japanese car, but if you want that Porsche, theres really nothing else you
can do.
StiMan
Actually, his best bet would be a Porsche too.
http://www.jdpower.com/presspass/pr/images/2005089a.gif
Number 2. Followed closely by Lincoln, Buick, Cadillac etc...
hondaman
Whoa, I have never seen that kind of results... hmm....
StiMan
I know it's what you said. I was agreeing with you that is IS a fact that
German cars aren't so good anymore, and showing that it didn't upset me.
:thumbs:
And like I said, newer Porsches aren't that bad.
ChrisV
Cool. Didnt wanna start another flame war over this. :thumbs:
StiMan
(THIS GOES FOR THE PEOPLE WHO COMMENTED A FEW PAGES AGO)Not everybody wants
an ugly mini van just because they want to be able to bring more than 1
adult and 2 little people to but in the back seat of a porsche. It is one
of the very few luxury suvs and it is very nice in my opinion and i find a
43,000 to 60,000 $ car in no way "cheap" as you explained it
i do have a question from somebody WHO HAS OWNED a porsche 911( which means
if u dont own on i dont care) how often did you have to get maintenance on
it and about how much did it cost each time?
THNX:smoke:
LORELAIIZME
Thats an extremely broad, question and do you mean maintenace like oil
changes and routine stuff, no much more expensive than normally, a Ive done
a few myslef, or major repairs, because those tend to be rather expensie
due to packaging of the vehicle and other variables.
Enthusiast
how often did you HAVE to get maintenance????? Bad question. Because,
asking only people who've owned one how often they HAD to get it maintained
is basically asking how often did it break down. I'm sure any GOOD owner
has it maintained when it SHOULD be, not when it HAS to be. And you don't
need to be an owner to answer that question. So you can "not care" all you
want... doesn't make you any smarter.
windsonian
For all the talk about expensive Porsche repairs, there's a post just a few
below this one (http://www.car-forums.com/talk/showthread.php?t=27552)
describing a repair that was less expensive that the exact same thing on my
wife's Jeep Grand Cherokee.
OneOfEm
