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i have an oportunity to pick up a 92 golf for about 450$ canadian.. it is mechanicly perfect but there is some rust on the body and the paint isnt bright anymore, it is also a 5 speed manual... it also doesnt have any extra options.. im just wondering.. would it be a good first car? im 15 now and i would work on it abit so that next year id have a car. i liked the 93-99 ones better because they have a nicer shape.. but over all.. are these cars reliable and cheap to fix? also.. since it has only 100 horses.. would it be easy to give it a lil more kick

posted by  illusion34

From the info you've suplied, I'm assuming it's a very late mk2 model Golf? depending on the engine size In my opinion this would suite you down to the ground. Golfs of this era are extreamly reliable, hence why you still see loads on the road! usually go on for many a trouble free mile, too!

I personally prefer the look of this shape to its successor, I owned one for a while (1.6 Driver) and she gave me no trouble at all!

posted by  Cliffy

yes, its an mk2 and i believe its 1.8 litre engine... the body has some rust like under the drivers side and some otherbody rust... around how much would it cost to get the body in perfect shape and a nice black paintjob?

posted by  illusion34

anyone?

posted by  illusion34

Depends if you want if perfect....or just rust free lol. Cat see it costing more than around $200? ish lol. 1.8litre isn't the ideal engine for a first car, but as far as I'm aware insurance aint to big an issue over there!

posted by  Cliffy

Depends on where you go. Pull out the yellow pages and call.
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And if memory serves me right, Consumer reports rated the golf as one of the cars to avoid.

posted by  Godlaus

ok i went and see it today.. runs ok. the mufflers busted, theres rust on the left passenger door. would it be possible for me to just sand the rusk and putty the holes? also, whats a good exhaust for that car, not a ricer exhaust one with a nice deep sound?

posted by  illusion34

Dunno about an aftermarket exhaust. Depends on the size of the hole on it as to whether or not it's repairable!

posted by  Cliffy

i dont want to repair the exhaust... just want a whole new one. as for the rust, can i just grind it off and putty it?

posted by  illusion34

LOL sorry, I misunderstood. You can putty the rust holes, but it wont have a very nice finish and depending on what tests vehicles go through over there, it probably wont past a road worthyness test!

posted by  Cliffy

lol y wouldnt it? so then... id have to bring it to a body shop and ask then to fix all the rust and give it a black glossy paintjob.. could i get that done fonr under 1 g?

posted by  illusion34

It depends whether or not the rust is classed as being a structual weakness. In the UK structual means withing 30cm of a seatbelt mounting, suspension joint etc. Or if it's just covered in rust lol. Anyway, if the rust is a structual weakness in the first place, it's gonna fail a test as soon as the tester taps it coz it's gonna make a different noise to the rest of the vehicle, it might even push the putty through. So in other words putty doesn't solve the problem, it just masks it!

You wouldn't have to take it to a body shop, a gargage with welding facilities can weld it, and just slap a bit of paint over the top lol. That's all it needs!

posted by  Cliffy

ya but i dont want a crappy job that shows, i want a good body with a decent whole paintjob!

posted by  illusion34

It'll be a respectable job. Most garages only touch up the panels they weld with paint. As rust geerally forms on wheel arches or sill etc, a good paint job aint necessary, unlike if it was a whole wing that was needed!

posted by  Cliffy

so what do u suggest i do? bring it to a body shop and have them have a look?

posted by  illusion34

A garage workshop will be ok.....or you could take it to a bodyshop :thumbs:

But see what they say, as to whether it's road worthy!

posted by  Cliffy

but what do u mean by road worthy!

posted by  illusion34

Un-road worthy = If the car's gonna go down the road and the suspension's going to fall out from underneath you because it's excessively corroded in certain areas.

Road worthy = If the car has a little bit if corrosion that isn't classed as structual (like I mentioned in an above post!)....and the car aint gonna fall apart!

posted by  Cliffy

well i took it for a lil joyride and pushed it a lil past 80 and it was ok..

posted by  illusion34

lol....To be honest, without seeing it it's hard to tell how bad it is. Just because you've safely driven at 80mph with no problems, doesn't make it road worthy. In most cases rust will fail a test well before the car falls apart, but it's best to nip it in the bud!

posted by  Cliffy

I still find it weird the differences between the U.S. and England. You mention seeing MKII Golfs all the time and since I can remember I've only ever seen one going on the road here in the states!

posted by  thunderbird1100

Cant think why that would be lol. Maybe beacause thy're more Europan orientated cars? dunno, all I know is that they're one of the more popular 'older' cars to be found on our roads!

posted by  Cliffy

so apart from taking it to a garage, what tests could i do myself?

posted by  illusion34

Check on the severity of the rust. Also check with a tape measure or something, to see if it's close to any essential componants like suspension struts etc. Also, if it's on the sills or wheel arches!

posted by  Cliffy

is it really bad if its arount a window sill?

posted by  illusion34

I meant a 'sill' as in the one at the bottom of the car that runs along the side....not the windows...:thumbs:

posted by  Cliffy

Hate to interrupt your little conversation here...:laughing:

A. Whats the mileage? Thats pretty important.

B. Theres no use talking to Cliffy because England is worlds apart from us, everything you've discussed is potentially different. (Roadworthyness, car specs, price, reliability, etc)

I think its a good deal if the mileage isn't too high. I personally like MKII's myself, but I don't know about the reliability. I hear people from both ends of the spectrum talking about.

I think would make a good first car :thumbs:, and all first cars should be stick!

posted by  Mathew

ya man... cause u aint drivin unless u driven stick:thumbs:

its got 160 000 kms but i hear vw's reach 300 000. the engine runs good, its just the body hats has some rist and a cracked muffler :(

oh, id be paying about 400$ canadian. what id want too do is put a high performance muffler since that ones busted.. something around 100-200$, a new black paint job and fix up the body so its dent/rust free.. hoping to get the car and all this done for 1000-1500 $ would it be easy to make that happen?

posted by  illusion34

I don't know, but $400 CAD for a 92 Golf with 160,000km is a hell of a good deal, as long as the rust isn't too bad.

Any pics?

posted by  Mathew

no but ill try and get some this week and put em up. with pics would u guys be able to asses the damage and tell me around how much it would be?

posted by  illusion34

It should be about $1,000, according to KBB, it's 2,100, but that's in excellent condition..

posted by  chris_knows

ya but its not the gti or the 16v and it doesnt have any options exept for about power steering.. so should i take some pics and post em here?

posted by  illusion34

yes please, i would like to see it

posted by  pornking

It might be the case that we're worlds apart over here, but just because your tests as to what's roadworthy over there, are probably different to ours over here, rust is still rust, and chances are, if it's bad rust, it's gonna be classed as un-roadworthy if it's where I was asking if it was! :thumbs:

posted by  Cliffy

ok. ill try to go and take some pics tnight then illpost em here :thumbs:

posted by  illusion34

just out of curiosity, you know on the inside of the car, like on the ceiling theres like cloth, how much is it to replace that?

posted by  illusion34

new update..

the owner of the golf says he has some friends/relatives in the garge/bodyshop business. so this is the new deal.. he well get the rust/damage fixed, get the muffler repaired and get the black paintjob i wanted.. the new price with all of that included is 1100$ canadian. is this good?

posted by  illusion34

Yes definately. $450 was cheap with the work needed and $1000 was closer to the mark even then, so $1100 is a very reasonable offer!

Oh...you best make sure it's not stolen before ya buy it though lol!

posted by  Cliffy

ok.. so.. after i get it checked out by a vw mechanic, if he says its good for the price im paying.. its a good deal? and what color should i get? is there any different blacks? like with sparkles or anything? maybe a midnight blue? and how can i do a lil check to see if its stolen?

posted by  illusion34

Graphite is always a nice colour, it has kinda sparkles in it.....more of a dark grey than black though!

As for checking to see if it's stolen. Here in the UK we have a Registration Document, and providing the Chassis (VIN) number matches, you should be ok. Check carefully though. It might be worth paying a small fee to have it run through a database, some companied provide this service. Your mechanic should know all about this anyweay!

posted by  Cliffy

cool... graphite is a cool color.. do you have any pics of cars with that paintjob? i can imagine that it would cost more though! are you sure its graphite and not carbon fibre?

posted by  illusion34

The wheels that newyorker is getting are a kind of Graphite.....look up the thread in General Chat section...Do a Google image search for cars though!

posted by  Cliffy

http://www.auto123.com/ArtImages/27281/inline_05.jpg...Pretty sweet...

posted by  chris_knows

Thanx Chris, I looked for images via Google but couldn't post any as the links were dodgy lol. I love Graphite though, probably the nicest colour a car could be!

posted by  Cliffy

i got the pics... 15 of em but there like 2 mbs each.. how do i post them here?

posted by  illusion34

Open Paint, and save as
Name: (Whatever you want)
Filetype: JPEG, or send them to me on MSN and I could do that :thumbs:

posted by  chris_knows

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/chris_knows/golf005.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/chris_knows/golf004.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/chris_knows/golf003.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/chris_knows/golf012.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/chris_knows/golf013.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/chris_knows/golf009.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/chris_knows/golf002.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/chris_knows/golf011.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/chris_knows/golf007.jpg
http://img345.imageshack.us/img345/8248/golf0085gw.jpg
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/4967/golf0105ks.jpg
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/8130/golf0016ml.jpg
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/4489/golf0068my.jpg

There they all are :mrgreen:

posted by  chris_knows

so? what do u guys think?

posted by  illusion34

It looks reasonable to me. The rust isn't actually too bad, although if you're planning on spraying it you'll need to have it repaired, but this shouldn't bother you if the current owner's sorting that for ya! The nearside rear door might aswell be replaced as it's dented aswell as quite badly rusted, it'll look nicer and probably cost less to repair that way, you might wanna get one with the trim on it too lol. If you're spraying it, the faded paint wont be a problem, but just so ya know, it's a problem with all pastel (ie; non-metalic) paintwork, especially red, it just dies lol.

Also, are all Golf's like that at the front end over there? as here in the UK only mk2 Jetta's had the rectangular headlamps. You also have the 'big bumper' model which was a facelift on mk2's after about 1990 I believe, I'm not too sure about this look myself, but it's certainly more modern looking!

On the whole though, it looks like a good buy!

posted by  Cliffy

to tell you the truth, your right, but this look doesnt bother me. i dont know y it doesnt look more rectangular!

posted by  illusion34

im kind of stuck now... i mean do i really want a 92 golf.. can anyone tell me some cars i can get for around 5000$

posted by  illusion34

So after all this hassle, you want another car?

posted by  Cliffy

kind of.. now that i look at it.. i always wanted a camaro/trans am or something old with some character.. y settle for a golf, i was thinking screw gas prices.. passion overrides cost anyday

posted by  illusion34

Yes, all of our MK2 golfs have the square headlights, except for GTi's, they have the four circular ones.

posted by  Mathew

Wow, the car is in worse shape that I thought! Thats a lot of rust....*must ....avoid....urge...to kick....rust...in...*

posted by  Mathew

Interesting, all of our's except the Jetta's, have circular one's....Normal 1.3litre Golfs etc have two lights, whilst GTI's and special editions have four (two standard and two main beam lights that resemble fog lamps!). My Golf Driver had them, which is kinda inbetween a standard 1.6litre and a GTI!

posted by  Cliffy

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