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Hi all,
What's your opinion on Jaguar since Ford bought them out? Bettter / worse
off - quality-wise?
Just curious. I love the line, but was just curious if their quality would
suffer.
Thoughts
triple7allstar
as long as you stick with an xj or xk, uore in good hands. they are still
jags. xtype and s type... glorified fords. xtype is a taurus, amd the stype
iswhat ever is larger... i dunno. all i do know is
XJR Portfolio = gorgeous. mmmm, $100K+ jag
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/07/18/015202.1-lg.jpg
http://http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/07/50806-1
3-jag-.jpg
and
the XKR
http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/motorshows/2006/london/03-large/jaguar-x
kr-f.jpg
good stff
mazda6man
Well I love the line but I think Ford made them disappear. There was just
no marketing strategy for jag that I saw. Land Rover got more marketing
than jag did. If Jag does sell to another buyer I hope their marketing
department does a better job. I'm sorta new to the jag scene and just
purchased an x-type. The x-type gets alot of bad raps because of the built
quality but I've had no issues and have had the car for 3 years. I have
more fun driving this than the 3 series I traded-in. Jag is underrated and
used to be discussed in the same coversation as bmw's and mercedez's cars
but not much anymore. I personally love the brand because they have a "WoW"
factor that other brands don't have.
Baldie
my favorite part about the xtype, is that its the only jag that comes
optional with the 5 speed. and they did come out with the xtype sport,
which did have the custom grilles and sports body kit.
the thing about jag, that a lot of people dont understand. theyre not your
everyday car, theyre not really big on public advertizing, most people
arent going to read a magazine, and say "hmmm, thats a nice car, il
consider buying one of those soon". the "real Jags" the "Jag-u-ar" if you
will (as ive learned how you are supposed to say it from all the richy
people) are compared like a bentley (not bentley status by any means, but
to the same affect). no point in mass advertisement, when only a selct few
can actually afford one. if you notice, where you will mostly see jag ads
are in golf magazines, yaughting magazines, car and driver (compared to the
other expensive lux-cars) and etc...
mazda6man
Your right on the mark. Jaguar is considered a "high-class" brand that
richy people can only afford. That is probably why it has that "wow"
factor. I get the question all the time, "How can you afford a jag, you
must got money." Most people don't realize how low the resale value is for
an x-type and s-type. When your in your 20's, a jag seems out of the
question. The x-type and s-type were introduced by jag to cater to the
younger generation, from what I read. The problem is the younger generation
don't really read golf magazines and yachting magazines. I admit though
that its nice to be driving a car that you hardly see much of, especially
with the younger crowd. I just love my "bentley".
The x-type and S-type sport model do look sweet. At the time I wasn't able
to find an x-type sport model but I since upgraded a few parts. I do regret
not getting the manual as there was one available but chose to go with
automatic.
Baldie
the xtype clutch is feels like no other clutch ive driven. if you ever get
a chance, like if you see one at a dealersihp, drive one. its really soft,
then just at the end it gets hard... but yeah, i beleive the attempt to
catch the view of the young peopl is all ford idea... i dont think jag
themselves would have done that
mazda6man
I guess I'm just curious then if the reason they have stopped being
considered in the same breath as BMW and Merc is that they ARE losing some
quality that they maybe once had?
Sounds like you haven't had any trouble with your X Type though. How many
miles does it have on it?
triple7allstar
I've never liked Jaguar, but sinse being owned by Ford things have only got
worse from what I see. The X-type is just a glorified Mondeo, it even has
the switch-gear from Ford, too!
Cliffy
I actually like all the jags, well the looks of them. Ive actually only
driven an XKR, i think thats what it was, 390hp S/C V8, and after that I
almost bought one until I found out, to my surprie, there is next to no
aftermarket for them.
Enthusiast
I would imagine that has something to do with the kind of people who
normally by them.....Lets just say that tuning isn't really on thei list of
priorities, lol.
Cliffy
Well I was at least hopin for some good suspension pieces and at least
different pullies to up the boost.
Enthusiast
You could probably find stuff like that...It might just be harder than on
other cars
Cliffy
Well that was the thing, if not many people buy it then its propably pretty
expensive.
Enthusiast
The car itself is expensive, aftermarket parts would be the least of your
worries, lol.
Cliffy
The cars I were lookin at were in the high 20K range, not too bad, and
aftermarket parts are something I always worry about.
Enthusiast
The problem is that that number ^^^ is down from an original selling price
of like $70,000 brand new. You don't buy a jag for resale thats for sure
triple7allstar
unless someday it turns into a classic lol
mazda6man
Yeah, but let's not get it twisted. I'd love to have an S Type R. Wouldn't
care if it lost resale value, cause I don't think i'd have the intention of
ever selling it. Just depends on your priorities I guess. If you want to
make a great financial decision buy a honda not a jag. If you want to get a
classy, upper echelon, fun driving car - buy a Jag.
Love that car
triple7allstar
which goes right back to people thinking theyre over priced... lol.. it all
comes down to, if you want it, pay for it. cuz if you dont, someone else
will
mazda6man
As the past owner of a couple XJ6s, the Ford connection simply made the
cars MUCH better. Quality went WAY up, as did reliability. The newer ones
hold their value as good as similar Mercedes or BMWs, as well.
The X Type was overpriced for what it was, and even though moderately
successful sales wise, woudl have ben a downright steal priced $5k lower. I
liken it to my SVT Contour, but with a bigger, more powerful engine and
AWD, in a more luxurious package with classic Jag XJ styling in a smaller
layout. A 3.0 XType was on my short list of cars to buy when I got my
BMW.
The S Type brought back the style of the old Mk II and S Type's of the
'60s, and are actually quite good cars (that share nothing with the Taurus,
even though blind kids think it does). I've driven them and found them to
be nice luxury cars, though a bit smaller than the XJ and my 7 series.
ChrisV
My 7 series BMW cost me $7500. Down from a $75,000 price brand new. No you
don't buy luxury cars from ANYONE for their resale.
ChrisV
Is this true? No relation to the taurus huh? Cool.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I've always loved the brand (especially
the S Type)
triple7allstar
Hi, I own a 2001 S-Type Jag. It's a V8 and pulls very well at 280 bhp, but
there are a couple of things banging and rattling with it. However, i'd
take the Jag any time over a Merc or BMW, even though it's less reliable.
CarTitans
Apparently Daimler is making a come-back with a car that should hold its
value quite well, lol. It's the new Super8. I was going to start a new
thread but I felt this belonged here more than anywhere at the moment.
Here's (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/front_website/gallery.php?id=220305) a
couple of shots of it. It's been done before as you're all probably aware,
but I think this could do Jaguar's reputation the world of good (fair
enough it's not badged as a Jaguar, but we all know where it's come from
really, lol). I'm still not a massive fan, but then I doubt I ever will be.
Cliffy
Old Jaguar is fast .
New Jaguar is slow .
Can this get any more lame .:banghead:
g_aristov
I actually think since Ford bought them the quality and the car itself has
gone up immenseley. On the other hand it has lost alot of its luster since
it isn't pure or rare anymore. You can tell deep down that it is just an
average car. You can't get them with manuals like you used to be able to.
It feels like a nice car, but not a jaguar. Thats the problem. The car has
gotten much better as far as build quilty and such, but it lost its sole.
Thats what people buy jaguars for. The little things that are quirky and
the unique feel and aspects. It drives like everyother car I have driven.
Feels like everyother car, it could be a maxima, or an S60, or a Mazda, or
a 500, etc.
rudypoochris
? Apparently crack doesn't smoke itself, eh? Care to share any real
information other than ignorant one liners?
ChrisV
the X type and XK are available with manuals. the XJ has never had a manual
going back to the Mk X/420 of the '60s, IIRC. Neither of my XJ6s were
available with manuals back in the day.
ChrisV
The XK and the X-Type both do not have manual transmissions offered on
their website. Maybe it is special order?
rudypoochris
that was really 3 lines :mrgreen:
windsonian
I was sure I'd seen a manual box on an early 90s XJ6, so I done some
research. The proof's in the pudding, as they say, lol. They're rare, but
they're there.
Clicky for picy!
(http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1990-JAGUAR-XJ6-4-0-BLUE-RARE-MANUAL_W0QQitemZ120156
189169QQihZ002QQcategoryZ18185QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Cliffy
Ya. I don't think Jaguar offers a manual in the US on any of its vehicles.
Maybe it does and I don't know about it, but regardless the fact of the
matter is they have gone away from a company that used to be much more into
performance and racing.
rudypoochris
yeah, and a few of the XJRs, as well. But the point was OLD jags, and most
luxury jags over the decades have been automatic, going back to the very
early ones of the '60s. the Mk V, MK VII, MK IX, Mk X 420, etc. And IIRC
all of the V12 cars.
The XK, just like it's forebearers, is still available with a manual IIRC,
just like the original XKE and XK 120/140/150. And, of course, the X type
has been available with a manual since it was introduced.
Still for a luxury car, the automatic is a better bet. Kind of like my 7
series which was only available with a manual in the small engine versions
in Europe.
ChrisV
back in the day, they only had one street model that was for racing, and
that was the XK series (XK 120/140/150 and XKE). the rest of their cars
were luxury sedans with decent pace. Did you forget about the fact that
this is what Jag produced in the '50s?
http://www.trouwvervoermiddennederland.nl/PICS/auto3klein.JPG
And into the '60s:
http://www.ribblevalleyclassiccarhire.co.uk/uf/cars/jaguar-mkii/jaguar-mkii
-1-lg.jpg
http://www.blenheimgang.com/guide/jaguar/mkx1.jpg
And then in the '70s and '80s, this was their primary seller (my own
XJ6):
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/cvetters3/cream_jag1.jpg
Luxury cars were their bread and butter almost since the start...
http://www.escosys.com/MKV.jpg
ChrisV
I didnt say they haven't sold alot of luxury cars. I said they are farther
from racing now more than ever. Which is fact unless you consider their F1
effort something that materializes in their cars. Thats all. Yes alot of
luxo jags have been automatics, but there has almost always been the option
of a manual. I was just making a broad point about the direction jaguar has
taken and I believe it to be true. They have always prided themselves in
building the sportiest and most luxurious cars at a price.
rudypoochris
Unless I read it wrong, you said "The XJ has never had a manual going back
to the xxxxx of the 60s"....hence my response :thumbs:
Cliffy
I love Jaguars, because they have an exclusive feel to them. You don't see
nearly as many Jags as Mercedes or BMW's. If I had the money I would most
definitely buy one of them over any other luxury car.
varybarry
