KTR- The new C4 Citroën

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What do you think about this?

I like a lot the 3 door version.
http://img6.exs.cx/img6/8084/c4_.jpg[/IMG]
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/8962/c4copiar.jpg
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/3104/c4__.jpg

WRC version:
http://www.riasc.it/c4/04027002.jpg

The interior looks... weird, but I like this car. It's supossed to be a "best-seller" as the previous Citroën Xsara and the new Mégane II.

[i]¿Qué pensáis de esto?
Me gusta mucho la versión de 3 puertas.
El interior tiene un aspecto... raro, pero me gusta este coche. Se supene que será un "superventas" como el anterior Citroën Xsara y el nuevo Mégane II.

posted by  karburator

hmm im not sure about the BMW 5 series ish lights and i think that the grill's are a bit too fussey and I dont like the spedo bit from the C5 but I like the old CRX looka like rear. The WRC version is looking very hot :clap:

BTW I think this should be in the 'European Imports' parts of the forum :thumbs:

posted by  Car Nirvana

uummh perhaps you're right

Is there any mod around here to place this in the correct section?
thx

posted by  karburator

In fact that Citroën doesn't export cars to the U.S. no one would mind you for posting here I think. If you need help you can email directly one of the Administrators here in the forum. (or PM) :smoke:

That C4 is a good mix of all the cars we already can see on the road. It's not my taste, but it looks practical. Do you wanna buy one? :smoke:

posted by  lutz

Consider it done :thumbs:

As for the C4....I'm not sure Citroen should name their newest model after an explosive lol :laughing: ....I personally HATE the firm myself...I dont mind Puegeot though...who own them, but I really HATE Citroen! By the way, how do ya do the accents above certain letters? :thumbs:

posted by  Cliffy

Not really, but I wouldn't mind. Anyway, if I were going to buy one I'd wait for 6 or 8 months to do it, once they had solved the typical "youth problems" that new models use to have.

posted by  karburator

Do you hate them? What a pity! Well, honestly, Citroëns use to be affordable cars. I think they make honest porducts.
Once upon a time I had a Citroën BX. I liked that car a lot. Fast, comfortable... strange... but one jerk smashed his cars against mine's. I'm affraid my poor BX has become now a dish-washing machine, a fridge or sorta like that.

About the accents;
On one hand, I have little french aknowledgements. Without that accent (ë) the word would sound something like *CitroAn*, but it actually sounds like in "elephant" /e:/
On the other hand, you can see it at http://www.citroen.com/site/ :P :wink2:

Bye!

ps: I'll translate my two last messages later. Now I'm going to bed :sleep:

posted by  karburator

My dad had a BX too, good cars what eva Cliffy says about them. We got our one up to about 230,000 miles :clap:

btw I love the look of the XM
http://citroen-boutique.com/photoxm/xmar01.jpg
owwwww with the V6 :drool:

posted by  Car Nirvana

yes, the Xm is still my favorite Citroën, I also liked the old SM (?) Maserati.

Cliffy, do you mean the letters like ë, é, å? I using the MS Windows SignTab to put in here to post :wink2:

posted by  lutz

D'Oh!! :doh:
I'm sorry. :banghead: I thought Cliffy was asking about how did I know "Citroën" wore that accent (ë) and I wasted time explaining tips about linguistics :P
My fault.

posted by  karburator

...even better -- for "Cliffy's guide to proper French" :laughing:

About Citroën: I like the design of the C3 a lil' more than of the C4.

posted by  lutz

whoooahh... That car has a slight similar shape to vauxhalls new astra..

http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/motorshows/geneva2004/03-large/vauxhall- astra-f3q.jpg

http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/motorshows/geneva2004/03-large/vauxhall- astra-r3q.jpg

It seems all cars are changing into this type and shape around europe now

posted by  Lukaz

the sport model looks kinda nice even though i don't like citroen's! just seein' them saxo's day in day out makes me :puke:

tha rear of the astra looks like it's been nicked of a Peugeot 307 and been played around with a little bit...

posted by  WeaponR

Changing? Do you mean cloning? :laughing:

posted by  lutz

HAHA Good point!! :mrgreen:

posted by  karburator

:laughing: heheheh yea good point lutz. are cars starting to look like that in germany too. the way this is going were going to be driving wedges of cheese soon

posted by  Lukaz

sooner than you think!!

**THINKS OF THE YELLOW LAMBO'S**

posted by  WeaponR

Unfortunately I agree!

Each major carmaker have more than 250 industrious designers on their payroll, working (?) everyday on the next model. They do it with passion, passion about the beautiful standardized design. Oh we want it so uniform, so :drool: .... All cars have to have the same look to be nice.
(That makes decisions easier for us buyers) :umh:

:smoke:

Dear carmakers, I guess it would be a lil cheaper to buy Vauxhalls Astra patent, laying off all the designers and put your label on it. :laughing:

posted by  lutz

Pmsl! the luxury Door wedge

posted by  Lukaz

Quote: Dear carmakers, I guess it would be a lil cheaper to buy Vauxhalls Astra patent, laying off all the designers and put your label on it.

I don't think it's Vauxhall's to sell. They clearly nicked it off the Peugeot 307. The latest Civic is pretty similar, too.

I quite like some of the Citroens, although they do tend to be a bit fragile. My wife's got one of these:
http://www.car-forums.com/talk/attachment.php?attachmentid=296&stc=1

posted by  heebee

Ah! The pluriel. It's lovely. I wouldn't mind getting one.

posted by  karburator

Absolutely, yes. I forgot it. :smoke:

posted by  lutz

Karburator, our Pluriel gave us no end of problems in the first few months (it was one of the first off the line). However, it's great now it's all sorted out! The roof is a bit barmy, but it has one advantage over regular convertibles: you can shut the roof at any speed! I guess that's more useful in rainy England than in Spain, though.

Now the car is properly sorted, we don't have leaks, it does over 40 to the gallon, and is cheap to service and insure. If you can find a cheap one, I'd recommend it (they're going for peanuts over here: when will car manufacturers realise the quick release of a new design, swiftly followed by redesigns and recalls, is the kiss of death to sales figures?)

posted by  heebee

LOL..dont worry about it :thumbs:

Thanx for explaining Lutz! :thumbs:

posted by  Cliffy

Don't mention it :smoke: :wink2:

posted by  lutz

whats wrong with citroen???

Personally i think that alot of there insperation has been smuthered by peugeot. Take traking headlights, they were on the DS in the 60's and GM has just picked them up for the astra 40 years later.

Another example is the active suspention, that was begin developed in the mid fiftys but peugeot stoped it, but it reapered in the late 90's on the Xantia Activa.

There were alot of good ideas in citroen, yeah they wernt main stream, but if every one sticks to the same designs then why dont we all just drive a GM or Ford box with 4 wheels and be done with it.

posted by  cinqyg

You saying that! :smoke:

I think that all possible car designs and styles are tried out in the past century. It's more difficult to invent a new successful design today or tomorrow without accidently copying. BMW is going back to the 1930's, transforming it into new cars. Good idea but the cars looking terrible. If BMW haven't the leanest production, the best affordable technology and billions for advertising and "communication" they would disappearing immediately from the market.
BMW knows that yet, the result is a La Di Da Di Pille Palle 3 Series.
Major carmaker's management doesn't have any feeling about cars, they just want to make their profit until the contract will be renewed.

Many carmakers aren't though enough to decide making sth out of mainstream as well as Citrôën did in the 1950's. The customers wouldn't love it immediately, it would need some time to establish. The time to establishing the new BMW design is over (it was a mistake), now they're going back to the roots, with some Hyundai in it. (Cheap looking cars)

posted by  lutz

well if no one ever ventures out there in the world of car design then we would have got stuck with leaf springs he he he he he, see the C6 forum.

even carbon fibre transverse leaf springs, are still not independent, provide true progresive k values, and ussally end up meaning that there is some transverse travel in camber, toe in or raidial displacement. None of these properties are very helpful when you trying to put maximum rubber on the floor and apply maximum acceleration or retardation.

posted by  cinqyg

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