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Few days ago, I was watching DSF, German sport channel. On that channel there is show called "Motor Vision". This particular intrigued me, they have started with cars from 80's. Lancia, Audi, etc. They have mentioned "Group B". I thought to myself: "What's so great with European cars from 80's, I would tell that it was worst period" - But how wrong I was!:banghead: I started reading on net about that group B, and I just couldn't believe what I saw... Just read this which I found that someone wrote about group B cars...
"Part of the special experience of seeing the Group B cars were their sound. More recent rally cars have been less noisy because the turbo acts has a muffler. The Lancia 037 didn't have a turbo, so its exhaust was quite free. Standing next to it one felt the ground vibrate!

The Audi had a turbo, but it didn't make it quiet. In those days engineers made the engine run rich, so as to keep exhaust temperatures low enough to not damage the turbo (Lancia used water injection [2]). This meant that the Audi backfired a lot. For instance, waiting for the cars in the middle of the Lousã special stage, one could hear the backfires echoing on the mountains, when the Audis were still several km away!"
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9f/Peugeot_205Turbo16_1989 .jpg/800px-Peugeot_205Turbo16_1989.jpg


http://www.stormloader.com/groupb/photos/village.jpg

Please read those cars' specifications and performances, if you haven't heard of them.

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posted by  ngluvakov(euro)

I'll move this to the Motorsport section. Group B was banned as it was deemed too dangerous as far as I remember. I can see why given some of the other cars that participated. The Ford RS200 (below) to name but one, was deadly to the best of drivers!

http://www.urbanbomb.co.uk/rs200_3.jpg

other deadly car was the Metro 6R4 which featured a mid mounted V6 engine I believe...:ohcrap:

http://www.johnpricerallying.co.uk/images/HomeImage.jpg
Infact, they were all as deadly as each other!

posted by  Cliffy

Lancia Delta Integrale.

The rest is shit, especially german shit (Audi).

posted by  Valter

You're saying the Audi Quattro is shit? I could understand what you said if you backed that statement up with some sort of reasoning....or even just state that it's YOUR opinion! For your information, that Audi was the first true AWD rally car, and still remains the benchmark! That's the most ignorant thing I've seen you write sinse joining CF! :banghead:

posted by  Cliffy

I don't have to state that all my posts reflect my opinion only, do I? :thumbs:

It's not an ignorant post because my opinion is given regardless of Audi Quattro innovation and what you call first AWD and current benchmark.

posted by  Valter

You don't have to say that it's your opinion in every post you make, no. However, saying that the Lancia Delta is the best group B car and the rest is shit, especially German shit, just sounds plain ignorant :thumbs:

posted by  Cliffy

It may sound ignorant, I'll give you that.

But my anger on VW/Audi does not come from what they do well (and I can recognize some good things VW has done), but from what they stink at.
When I say Audi is shit I don't take any technical specification into consideration. Neither when I say Lancia Delta Integrale is the "thing". I just want to put FIAT up and VW down ahhahahahaha

Sorry about that.

posted by  Valter

I understand what you are saying (sort of), and it's the exact oposite with me. I hate FIAT, however, on saying that I understand that it's my personal opinion. My reasoning comes from my experiences with working on Fiat's/Alfa's and the build quality I've noticed from most of them. Now all you had to do was explain why you feel what you do, and that alone would have made your post alot less ignorant, if ignorant at all :thumbs:

posted by  Cliffy

now now ladies!!!! no arguing:laughing:
i think the group b, although extraordinary they were, they were also the ugliest rally cars ever! (apart from the ford rs200/2000, although it did kill henry toivenen, or whatever his name was!
http://www.break.com/index/rallyfire.html

posted by  True_Brit

An opinion can indeed be ignorant if it's based on mistaken information or a lack of information, OR a bias that precludes you from seeing anything factually.

And it's then my opinion that YOUR opinion if full of shit and should not be listened to as that of a knowledgeable person.

How's that for opinion?

posted by  ChrisV

That's the dumbest shit I've read on this forum ahhahahahahaha
But, for a kid, you have potential to achieve higher levels.

I'll be waiting for you.

posted by  Valter

And I LOVE the Group B cars. I got to watch them live at the Olympus rallye in Tacoma, Washington right after they were banned by the FIA. Ford RS200s, Pugeots, the Audis, a number of Lancia Deltas (my favorites), and more. Incredible cars.

Their bannings weren't due to being to fast for the driver's however, but because they were too fast for the fans to get out of the way of, and fans were dying from being hit. Modern rallye cars are just as fast if not faster....

posted by  ChrisV

A kid? You're a moron. Get a clue, assclown.

posted by  ChrisV

So, you hate my car, Cliffy? How sad. How... ignorant.
















:laughing:

posted by  ChrisV

I am not a wuss, as you may state, but: "...had I only addressed anything to you before you said I'm full of shit without knowing what I'm talking about..........................."

Post reported. Not into discussing with forum and Internet kids.
So I'm done replying to you.

posted by  Valter

assclown:orglaugh: never heard that one before! *must add that to my list*

posted by  True_Brit

Then you need to get out more...lol

posted by  Bronxie

True, but I hope that they are safer today and easier to control, and I believe they are. My fav is Audi.

posted by  ngluvakov(euro)

shame audi doesnt rally in the wrc now!
i saw the WRC last year in wales, so loud, fast and exciting to watch!
even the JWRC was fun, watching cars such as suzuki swifts with 220BHP razzing round a corner sideways etc

posted by  True_Brit

I've heard it...but only from CF....It's a US thing again, lol.

Sorry.......:laughing:

Having said that, your car is a classic...so arguably the fit & finish wasn't of the highest priority? And Valter.....All you have to do is hit Search and enter the username....you should know what I mean. Also, I see no reaso why this thread was reported, other than that it damaged some pride....? :wink2: :laughing:

posted by  Cliffy

If Group B cars continued up to now they would have been significantly faster than today's rally machines especially with such lenient modifications. The Ford RS200 would have been pushing 700hp+ had the banning did not occur and who knows what kind of power we would have seen a few years down the line. Also most have midship 4WD which made them like Formula 1 cars for the roads.

Seeing the footages from the 80's it's no suprise spectators were killed as they all crowd onto the roads(and move out of the way atthe very last minue to get the best photographs).

My favourite rally cars are the Escort Mk2's-just love the excess tail sliding!!!

posted by  fudge

Briton, you are lucky. I watched Motors TV the other day, and I saw British rally championship. It's great and it has got many stages, so you can go and enjoy watching it whenever you want. Where I am now, we have very lame motosport. :(

posted by  ngluvakov(euro)

Did you ever get to see "secrets of Speed" an Audi promo film that had Walter Rohrl driving the Group B Audi? Three in car cameras, one aiming forward, one aiming at the driver, and one watching his feet. Showed him FLYING through a stage with the crowd barely getting out of the way and his feet dancing on the pedals. Amazing footage of an amazing driver in a seriously fast car:

http://www.autoblog.nl/archive/2006/10/29/gaaaaf-audi-s1-op-video

First vid...

There's a Lancia vid farther down the page that's insane!

posted by  ChrisV

its a great rally to watch, especially when its rained hard a day before or on the day, when the mud is thick and wet, great on hairpins and straights or even when its really dusty!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5ufEs9zzpY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py9xRwd4rwA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSUxOIzGYRk

posted by  True_Brit

Breathtaking! Thanks!:thumbs:

posted by  ngluvakov(euro)

You want to know what group B was about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYhiJeRPgdw&search=Peugeot%20Rally%20Pikes%2 0Peak%20Climb%20Dance%20Race%20Clouds

posted by  Wally

Yes, but there are more safety precautions taken during todays modern rally races. You can't find an eager fan standing in the middle of the road to catch a last second picture of Solberg flying down in the subie.

posted by  DSMer

Which proves it wasn't because of the cars being too fast, but because of fan stupidity. Had they instituted modern fan safety practice, we'd still be seeing Group B cars hauling major ass. ;) A WRX going over a rise at 120+ is just as likely to kill as a Lancia Delta doing the same thing. So which one is "too fast?" The one that has fans standing where it's going to land. hehehehe

posted by  ChrisV

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