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Sup all,

My name is Steven (everyone calls me Stem). A little while ago i purchased a 95 accord. Thus far ive just fixed it up, back into good shape, now it looks almost stock. However now ive finished making it 'normal' i want to supe it up. And first and to me, most importantly is the audio. I've heard it all, but I want some good decent audio, i mean the whole system. For decks i heard Panasonic arent that bad. Subs i heard Rockford Fosgate P2's are the best, and and Obden enclousure. However no word on a amplifier, or best to replace the stock speakers in the front door and back deck. So if someone could just educate me on what is the best system for a guy on a lower budget. Thanks in advance,

Stem

posted by  Stem

The cheapest system out there would be to sing to yourself, I do it, people give you wierd looks, but hey, let em laughat you in their...cars... with radios and morre than one seat, and interior panneling, and air conditioning.

Damn I need a new car. :ohcrap:

posted by  Zalight

pioneer also makes good head units. for speakers id look at infinity reference, powered by an alpine amp. the p2s arent bad for subs either but you could probably find better.

posted by  griffinstud78

RF Punch - Junk
Panasonic HU's - Very good, also look at Alpine, eclipse and Pioneer
Obcon Enclosure
Amp- Hifonics

Get some Volfenhag DVC all aluminums, $50 at ikesound.com. Will out pound and sound better than even the RF Punch Stage 3's and cost half as much.

posted by  thunderbird1100

Sweet, thanks for that info bro. Im writing it down right now. And ill have all my stuff ordered by the weekend. Once again thank you for the help.

One more question, with me now having all the information for the subs, do you think i should get some tweeters or replace the stock speaker system in there, you know the front door panel and the back deck? 'Cause i dont want a crapload of bass with no mid and treble to back it up.

posted by  Stem

Usually it's better to replace stock speakers and HU before adding a mono amp and sub simply due to the fact you'll drown out all the weak mids and high from the weak stock system with the new sub setup. So it would be a good idea. Give me your budget for replacing the four speakers and adding an amp to power them.

posted by  thunderbird1100

Hmm.... budget for the whole enchilada would probably be somewhere round 500-700 dollar range. Mas o Menos

posted by  Stem

You cant buy a full setup (HU, amps, subs, speakers) for 700 or under. You could, but wow, that's really going to sound shitty. The subs/amp/box combo alone is going to cost $450. A good HU (with 4v-5v pre-outs and other goodies) will cost you $250-$300. A set of four good co-axial speakers will run you $120-$140 and an amp to drive them will be another $120-$150.

posted by  thunderbird1100

Aight... so your saying like 900 minimum, aight will put in some extra hours :P

what kinda speakers u recommend to replace the stocks?

posted by  Stem

i heard the infinity referance were great, for replacing stock speakers.

posted by  jdubya

The Pioneer TS-A series is a great sounding set of co-ax speakers for their price. Ikesound.com has the 6.5" (best 6.5") for $49 which is a good price.

http://www.ikesound.com/product-product_id/2736

Some other co-ax sets to look at are Alpine Type-S and Kicker KS65's (both you can find at ikesound.com).

If you are willing to spend a little more I highly recommend Orion C63's (onlinecarstereo.com has a sale on them for only $79/pair), these with an amp are one of THE best co-ax speakers I've heard.

I saw that one person recommended the Infinity Reference and the only reason I can't second those (Im not a big infinity speaker fan because of this) is because their tweeters are WAY too bright and ear piercing for my tastes (you might like them though).

Reminder : All those co-ax speakers listed above NEED an external amp (around 50rms a piece) to really come alive. Amping these with only your HU (which usually are anywhere from 15-25rms/channel) will make these sound like any other basic co-ax.

posted by  thunderbird1100

Quick question, when u say 50 rms a peice does that mean i would need an amp with minimum 200 rms to power those 4 speakers? (what is rms?)

And what brand/model do recommend for the external amp for those speakers?

And also ive been looking at these 2 HU's, i used crutchfield for comparison reasons only, but which do you recommend, now my antennae doesn't work so i wont be using the tuner, just my cd's. which do u think is better ?
Head Units (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-IO1uT5eGnzS/cgi-bin/ProdComp.asp?g=300&s=0&cc =01&hidesimilar=&submit1=Click+to+Remove+Items+%3E%3E+&ITM130DEHP370=&130DE HP370=on&ITM130DEHP670=&ITM020DXZ845=)

posted by  Stem

Yes 50rms/channel into 4 channels (4 speakers) is 200rms. Just find a 35-50x4rms amp (Alpine,Kicker,Orion,Hifonics). RMS is basically continuous watts, what your speakers/amp normally operate at. Dont pay attention to Maximum wattage specs.

As for a HU, both of those are good, but for the price you can get better. In particular...

http://www.ikesound.com/product-product_id/2091

That HU is very nice and is an excellent price for it (the two HU's you listed only have ~2v preouts...this one has 4v preouts).

posted by  thunderbird1100

Do you know what they sound like if they're backwards mounted? (Cone facing in, magnet out) With the design of my trunk I was limited to how big I could make the boxes so they're 1cf max a piece, so I want to get the most out of them, and they don't have a half bad looking magnet.

posted by  88GrandPrixSE

I never heard them backwards mounted...never did like that principle in the first place, so cant help you there. They are the best sound subs in their pricerange I've EVER heard and I'd like to hear any sub from ANYWHERE (not used) less than $100 that can pound as hard and be as clean as the Volf DVC.

posted by  thunderbird1100

hey thundur that link isn't working for me, what make and model is it, so i can look for it. i dunno the page wont load

edit - is this any good? http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=13256< br />
2nd edit- where do u find obcon enclosures?

posted by  Stem

Okay, it's been a while and I dont know what link you're looking for, so elaborate on that.

That JVC head is, bleh to me.... It only has 2v pre-outs and JVC is just a pretty non-standout brand with HU's. I'd suggest this one over it (only $30 more) http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=14898 .

Obcon Enclosures can be found at www.sounddomain.com

posted by  thunderbird1100

alright cool man thanks for that, so now i got my volfenhag waiting in my shopping cart, its 12" so what kind of obcon do u think i should get? theres this one

http://www.cardomain.com/item/OBCGZ31812 which is the cheapest,

or theres another thats about 200 http://www.cardomain.com/item/OBCGZ121with the fiberglass on the outside like u suggested,

http://www.cardomain.com/item/OBCSS12188 or thers 1 in the middle, which do u recommend, i mean money wise does it really matter what its made out of?

posted by  Stem

The GZ318-12 is your best bet ($69.95 once added to cart).

http://www.cardomain.com/item/OBCGZ31812

I also recommend this Kicker amp to power it...

http://www.ikesound.com/product-product_id/2606

posted by  thunderbird1100

awesome all is good so far, and my last and final question would be what amp do u recommend for the coax speakers? (thersw 4) you said a 4 channel amp and hifonics is best, i found these 2, with only a few bucks in between, which u recommend?

http://ikesound.com/product-product_id/1503 looks like this is the better deal

http://ikesound.com/product-product_id/2887

posted by  Stem

That second $155 TX amp is more than enough for a set of 6.5" co-ax speakers... The ZX6400 is a 85x4rms amp and that's too much power for any mid-range 6.5" coaxial speaker. The 55x4rms power the TX provides is just what you're looking for.

posted by  thunderbird1100

My dads car has 2 3.5 inch speakers up front, built in. so he was wondering what are THE BEST, top of the line 3 1/2 inch speakers? (yes yes 3.5, its an old/classic mercedes 560sl)

and should he get an amp, he has 2 cerwin-vegas (6x9) in the back?

posted by  Stem

for the 3.5"(coaxial) what I would recommend is something from either Infinity, MB Quartz, or Focal(if they have any that small). I know Infinity and MB Quartz do, and they're two of the top companies for sound quality.

the other option is a 3.5" component speaker(separate tweeter), but that would require modification to the dash to install the tweeter. But good luck finding those...

As for powering the Cerwins....what kind of HU does he have, and what series Cerwins are they? I mean, if you want them to sound awesome, and have some real power, then yes, feeding them 50watts rms(for example) will definitely help that. And if he's looking for quality, go with a higher end amp, most likely a digital one at that.

posted by  dodgerforlife

You can fit 4"/4.5" speakers in 3.5" slots, not difficult and its what i recommend you do.

For the best co-ax speakers in that size I'd look into these...

http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=12434< br />
or

http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=12492< br />
or

http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=13538< br />
And, yes. Definatley amp those up.

posted by  thunderbird1100

ok thanks, i have a question.... why are the infinity's specs better than the other 2 but less money? and what amp u recommend for the 4.5" and the cerwin's? hifonics? kicker?

posted by  Stem

The infinity doesnt really have better specs than the others. Each one will handle about the same frequencies and it really just comes down to cosmestics when finally choosing (personally I'd get the Diamond Audio).

To power them I'd get a very clean 2-channel amp..maybe one of these...

http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=14177< br />
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=13885< br />
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=13473

posted by  thunderbird1100

Rockford Fsgate punch subs are great, I have some in my Mustang. As for amps, MTX Thunder amps are great. I use a Rockford Fosgate MP3/CD deck as well, and it has unbelieveable clarity.

posted by  FordFromHell351

@thunder: he may have trouble stuffing a 4.5" into those holes...some really only do hold the 3.5"...

as for cosmetics, if theyre going in dash, then that really doesnt matter much, does it?



about amps: I would recommend alpine, kicker, or audison, most definitely the audison. although rockford does make good amps, they really only make good sub amps...

posted by  dodgerforlife

The only thing that would be a problem is mounting depth. Hole Diameter can be fixed easily. Sometimes mounting depth can be solved easily (spacers) and sometimes out comes the custom kickplates...

posted by  thunderbird1100

ahh but in an old 'cedes do you think theyd want to do that?....i guess its all up to them...

if hes up for it, go for the 4 or 4.5"...

posted by  dodgerforlife

Old Merecedes...key word. Who cares? Unless it's a 300SL or something I'd do anything to it.

posted by  thunderbird1100

No its not a 300SL but a 560SL Roadster and with over 300 horses under the hood... one would say NEEEEEEEYYYYY. :smoke:

Thanks for the suggestions

posted by  Stem

Oh come on, still isnt worth $10k even!

posted by  thunderbird1100

hey thunder what amp do u recommend for the volfenhag, im trying to find something under $150.

posted by  Stem

You arent going to find a mono class D amp that supplies a good 500rms @ 2ohm (what a single Volfenhag DVC demands) for under $150. One amp I highly recommend to run it is a Hifonics BX1000D (about $220). Best bang/buck amp.

posted by  thunderbird1100

http://www.ikesound.com/product-product_id/2606

This thing any good to power the Volfenhag?

BTW: Thanks for all your help and promptness.

posted by  Stem

Kicker makes excellent amps, but you might want to weigh your decision here...

The Kicker isn't new (refurbished) and will only put out between 400-450rms @ 2ohms. The Hifonics is about $50 more, puts out a good 100rms more @ 2ohms and is brand new. I'd get the Hifonics, the Volfenhag DVC is a very demanding power hungry subwoofer (the 500rms rating is actually conservative). I've seen that same woofer run on 600-750rms daily in sealed boxes and never once break. But if you're going to run it in a ported box then you'd be more happy around 450-550rms.

posted by  thunderbird1100

its a sealed box, my friend made it for me from 3/4 particle board. ok, but that price plus shipping is reallly gonna suck.

btw im not to happy with ikesound at the moment, i emailed them about how much shipping to hawaii would be and havent recieved a responce yet....

posted by  Stem

Well, if it's a large sealed box you might be okay (1.2-1.5 cu-ft) with the Kicker amp. But if it's a smaller sealed box (.8-1.2 cu-ft) you'll definatley want the extra power. If you throw the Volf in a small sealed box with only 400-450rms running to it, it simply wont pound to its ability. If price is really a big consideration I'd get this amp over the Kicker... It's a better amp (not power wise, but everything else wise it is).

http://www.ikesound.com/product-product_id/2286 $155

Ah, I didnt know you lived in Hawaii. Sorry to hear you havent heard a response yet. I have never had to email them about anything. My orders have always got to my doorstep though within 3-5 work days of my order placement.

posted by  thunderbird1100

Okie Dokie, i found that kicker amp u were talking about brand new, still factory sealed for 180 on ebay, im placing order now :), but still dunno bout the volf, still havent gotten a responce fro ikesound.com and all the other products fro other companys are way more expensive.

posted by  Stem

Try this place...they have the 12" Volf for $59 and I typed in a zip code for Hilo Hawaii and got $22 shipping (which is decent considering it's not part of the 48 state mainland and you're shipping 20+lbs).

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_1586.html

I've heard good things about this place (they are actually authorized dealers of some of their stuff, kicker for one)...and have great prices.

posted by  thunderbird1100

damn bro thanks for all the help, serisouly man i dont know where id bewithout you, thanks a bunch mate.

posted by  Stem

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