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always love this subject, and i wanna know what people think. gimme a good
reason to go either way.
j to tha luu
hmm
dodge viper vs. ferrari 575M
pontiac trans am vs. BMW M3
much more...
The Euro's are always much more refined than the american rides, yet cost
sometimes significantly more. American cars seem to offer just as much
performance for less money, yet don't have the luxury and cushyness that
the euro's have. American cars can go faster (sometimes) in a straight
line, yet the euro's can almost always carve the twisties.I could go either
way.
daytonashelby
American / Australian cars normally have question marks over build quality.
They have a habit of developing rattles and other minor faults.
But you get what you pay for
57ock
Besides, support our economy!
2k3SVTCobra
European cars are by far better. Its unreal for an individual to buy a
Chevy Corvette over a Ferrari 360 Spider. Its the stupidest thing one can
do. Europeans offer more technology, luxury, prestige and most of all fun
to drive.
ab99
I think that you get more bang for the buck with domestic cars.
Reliability goes either way. I've had european cars that were real lemons
and on top of that, they were expensive to fix. On the other hand, I've
had American cars that were flawless. It also depends on what you are
looking for. If you want a muscle car, then go American. If you want
presteige, then go Euro. If you want dependability, then go Asian. All I
know is that I have tons of fun with my American muscle and constantly put
Euro cars twice the price of my car to shame in a straight line AND in the
twisties. In an ideal world, I'd have my 03 Cobra in one garage and an M5
in the other. It's not and I dont have the $$ to do it so I opted for the
most bang for the buck.
2k3SVTCobra
i could go either way.
If i could get a viper or a ferreri for free i would get the ferreri but if
i had to pay i would get the viper.
but ive i could get a focus or a golf i would probly get the golf.
So it depends what you are looking for and how much money you have so once
again ill say it...
i can go either way..
GoOsEmAn
i just dont think that comparing a ferrari to a dodge is realistic.
anyways, if you're willing to pay 60-70K for a Viper, might as well get
like a Porsche Boxter S or like BMW M5.
ab99
Boxter and M5 are both very nice cars but there's something about feeling
like king of the road in a viper. A boxter or M5 are slow by comparison.
Practicality is another issue in which case, the M5 reins supreme.
2k3SVTCobra
Yes, imports have enough sound proofing to not be able to hear the rattles
lol jk
I would rather have the domestic first, then eat my candy later if I can
:D
I like working on cars that I can work on, and not have to take a
specialized college course just to change the spark plugs lol. Besides, as
far as tinkering with vehicles there is so much more oppurtunity with
domestic, yes there is quite a bit for import but not as much as domestic.
You never see blowers or chargers on rice burners(except for that nissan
truck), I like the looks of muscle cars when I think about racing or doing
quarter miles, when I think of a good ride and luxury I think of lincolns
and caddies, my 79 lincoln rides like a dream, and looks fuckin pimp.
Besides, unless youve got the money to spend it sucks to have to pay 500
dollars for an oxygen sensor or something on your beemer, too expensive for
a poor white kid lol.
I also like the thought of supporting my economy, I think its sad that a
foreign car can be the best selling ANYTHING in this country. Especially
the way the economy is going, its a shame. but one thing is true, fucking
prices of cars these day are pathetic, you shouldnt have to take out a loan
to buy a vehicle, but it happens because companies want to make billions
instead of millions.
Aten
In my opinion the European cars are better than the Americans in all
the categories, except for one or two exceptions. In addition the
European cars contribute technology, engine types, power and less
consumption, but mainly style and more beautiful lines, and in the highest
scales they are authentic wonders of art. It is another style more refined
that the americans or asiatics. Lexus is even an imitation of Mercedes and
other European cars but mainly destined by Toyota for the American market.
In Europe Lexus it has very little market.
And another additional advantage is the incredible variety and amount
of manufacturers, marks and beautiful styles that include all the
sectors of the market and the pocket. One of the lasts wonders: Bugatti
Veyron. Style, design and power.
Sorry, my english is very bad. :? :rolleyes:
Pakus_Ferrari
It depends on how much you are willing to spend. A Corvette Z06 will beat a
Boxster S or even a couple year old Porsche 911 Turbo on a road coarse, but
the Lambo's and Ferrari's will beat the 'vette hands down. The Viper is a
nice car, but for the $100,000 area, go for the Ford GT. If you're willing
to spend $200,000+ go with the Saleen S7 or the Mosler MT900S.
Widowmaker2k
Poeople put superchargers on alot of imports, hell look at the first gen
mr2 an option was the mr2 with the 4agze ? supercharged engine........
if i wanted i could go buy a vortech supercharger or a jacksons
supercharger and put it on my car...... its a 91 civic dx....
Arthur
I would never choose a European or American car based on reputation of
quality or reliability. For the most part, both continents are the same, I
would even tip the reliability favor toward the Americas.
The difference in build quality, lies in the fact that if you pay $120,000
for a Mercedes, you EXPECT it to have more technology, more refinement,
better anemities. You get what you pay for.. period. For the most part
that's true, however, it's not always the case. In the 70's-80's, Mercedes
and many other European manufacturers just simply couldn't effeciently
manage their production operations (i.e. Jaguar), so to make up for the
waste cost incurred in production (and their HUGE labor costs), they set a
high price tag. In the 90's that changed, and we began seeing affordable
BMW's and Mercedes, that weren't grossly inferior to their more expensive
brotheren.
I certainly would NOT look at a camaro that performs just as well as a
beamer for 1/4 the price as being a worthless car. It takes feats of
engineering and production management to design and continuously
manufacture a car with that much performance and only ask what I would
consider pennies in return.
Bottom line is, inflation doesn't account for the high car prices we have
seen these recent 5 years.. Toyota builds quality using quality materials,
and YOU PAY FOR IT... something the American manufacturers realized parts
of the American public were willing to throw down another $5000 for..
Nemaroller
BMW M3 BY FAR!!! they are good, reliable and FUN :D
i know i havent drove 1 or been in 1, but where i work theres loads!!
and 1 has triptronic, traction control and more and hes done 0-60 in 4.6
gtir_savage
ok Saleen S7 vs. Mclarren F1
S2000Boy
For pure performance, McLaren F1 of coarse. It's too bad that they don't
make them anymore, and add the fact that you'll have to pay well over one
million dollars to get one and the S7 looks more attainable.
*And now for something completely different.*
How about we compare cars in the same price range (gasp!).
Widowmaker2k
I think that whoever wrote this is wrong.(in my opinion)
I think so because cars should be compared by their reliability!i've had a
ton of European cars in my life and a few American cars when i had problems
with money.The European cars that i had were mostly Volkswagens and
Audi's.My 1985 vw golf did 360 000 km and not a rattle came out of it!I
only had to change the muffler once since it started to rust up too
much.(but that's very minor)After the golf i bought a 2003 Chrysler neon.I
did 32 000km with this car and got rid of it!
It was a total automotive disaster!!After 32 000 km the dashboard was
rattling like hack and the manual transmission had to get replaced. Also
oil was leaking really badly from it.In my garage there was always a huge
puddle of oil under it! Now c'mon this is a half-year car that has only 32
000km driven on it and a lot more things happened to it than my 1985 vw
golf that had 360 000km!!
Also whoever wrote this said that you can't really compare European cars
with American because they are the same!
They are totally different!
Beutiful sound,looks and marvelous quality and reliability!
Somebody who had the same problem like me please reply to this
vwmaniac
vwmaniac
vwmaniac dude theres ur prob dont buy a s**ty dodge get a gm vehicle and
youll never be sorry ive got a 1972 chevy pick up that my grandpa bought
the only thing weve ever done to it was basic maintenice oil change new
tires new fluids ect. my great uncle bought at the same time like within a
week or so an audi and u know what weve replaced on that? new heads, new
mufflers, new hood, new side panels, new dash board, and it still breaks
down all the time. o yea the chevy of mine(my grandpa gave it to me) yea
the body on that is in better shape than the audi.
pm me and ill send u a pick of the chevy.
lick_q1
I encourage you to buy American and support our economy...because this guy
is not WASTING his hard earned money on a plastic filled, top of the line,
American cars. I've seen too many American cars not hardly 3 years
old...and the paint is peeling down to the metal...You spend your money on
"American Quality"...I wont.
You all support America...I'm not going to support it in the car market!!
BavarianWheels
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I totaly agree!!
vwmaniac
I will spend my money on plastic (see fiberglass) filled, top of the line,
American cars, if you continue to waste your money on overpriced, ugly, and
slow German cars. (See Porsche...overpriced) I've been around too many
American cars with an excess of 200,000 miles to spend $50,000 on 3
letters. (See BMW.) (By the way, if your wondering why I said slow, I'm
basing that on a performance per dollar analysis. The 2002 Corvette Z06 is
faster and handles better than a 2002 911 Turbo, yet costs 1/3 the price.
You do the math.)
Widowmaker2k
You'll also die instantly in an accident while if you are in a BMW or
another well made German vehicle, your chances of survival are quite high.
And the part about plastic was not about the body...it was the interior
parts and trimmings!! Bozo!
BTW...I have a 1988 528e that has well over 200k miles who's engine hasn't
even been broken into. It still can do well over 135mph.
BavarianWheels
If you get in a crash doing 135mph, you're going to die just as easily in a
German car as in an American car. (Also, where exactly do you get your car
up to this speed?)
Widowmaker2k
on the highway, on back roads, on a race track. to tell you the truth
unless one is on the Autobahn or the Western US roads, 135 on public roads
is retarded.
SuperJew
Not to mention criminal...
Widowmaker2k
Uh...210 Freeway...2am...Sunday mornings...not a car in sight...Actually
I've pegged the speedo at 140mph and was still accelerating a bit.
BavarianWheels
bavarian? do u realize that if you hit a bump or just jerk the wheel a
little bit at that speed you could easily lose control? i've had my car at
130 on the freeway too, so i'm not gonna say that it's a mortal sin or
anything :D (even if it is a stupid thing to do) but i find it very hard
to stay in a straight line at anything over about 100-110.
ChevySuxD0ng
You're not driving a BMW...for sure!! The few times I've been over the
century mark in my 1988 528e, it's been quite comfortable and sure
footed...even rounding freeway turns (wide). The difference is that BMW
(and others) are designed to drive fast on the German autobahns. They are
designed for speed. I admit my car could use a bit more stabilization, but
that would only be really necessary at sustained high speeds above the
130mph mark. I will be adding a stock tail wing like the one below (of
which my car is exactly the same other than the color) that came stock on
the faster 535's and M5's of the same year.
http://www.2002bmw.com/5series/dlowe1.jpg
You really need to get yourself a car designed for what you want to do. If
it is speed your looking for...German is the way to go. If it is off the
line raw power...go with the American muscle...but don't expect the
stability when you get up to speed. And BTW...A good Bimmer would still
give an American muscle car a nice challenge off the line!!! (not
necessarily mine)
Edit Addition: Rest assured. I'm not out driving those speeds in traffic.
The few times it has been the wee hours of the morning (still dark) and no
one one the road that I can see. And once or twice racing another
car...again in the wee hours of the morning.
BavarianWheels
i agree with u for the most part, an '85 bimmer is definetely designed for
handling WAY better than a '79 datsun 280ZX.
ChevySuxD0ng
I was driving a Toyota Corolla rental car around Darwin. We took it out on
one of the highways (open speed limit). Couldn't go any faster then 190kph
(110mph) and it was very unstable. Lost a hub cap too :D
I was watching a GTP car race here in Brisbane, The 911 turbo finished 11
seconds faster 02 Z06. During the same race, a Diablo blew its motor :D
57ock
Just another example of German automotive superiority over those "good for
quarter mile" American cars.
BavarianWheels
i don't like sayin this bcuz i love america and i have to say that german
cars are way more reliable than U.S. i haven't wanted to admit it for a
long time but it's true. u get what you pay for i guess... :(
ChevySuxD0ng
I love America too...but am not going to throw my hard-earned money away on
vehicles of lesser quality just to keep some mid-west farm boy working on
the auto plant assembly line.
He can afford a can of chew by working at, the ever popular to hicks, Dairy
Queen in every city east of anywhere! (There's a Dairy Queen about 15mins
from my house...WAY TOO CLOSE!!)
BavarianWheels
No, now you're using a fallacy of logic known as "post hoc." Do you know
everything about this race? Were both cars stock? We're the drivers of the
exact same skill level? You really can't defer a conclusion based on such
limited information. Please, try harder.
Widowmaker2k
Simpleton say what?
BavarianWheels
Ah yes, another person who thinks that calling names will cover for their
lack of rational thinking. I am no lover of American cars but to make the
blanket statement that cars from one country are superior to cars from
another is ludicrous.
And don't forget much of the "superior German engineering" comes from the
US and is refined in Europe and at this point in time most car companies
are global not only in sales but also in research and developement
anyway.
So impress me. Why does an Accord or Camry built in the USA outlast and
have better reliability than a BMW built in Germany? And please save the
crap, my towing service makes big bucks hauling almost new BMW's to the
dealer regularly but almost never tow's a Honda or Toyota, new or old.
vwhobo
Hey, hobo we're talking about american cars.(chevy.ford.chrysler etc.)Not
Japanese cars that are produced in America.And what the hell???!!!!!
German's don't get their engineering from the Americans!!!The American's
always copy evrybody and make a crappy job out of it.If German cars use
American engineering then how come they don't have such crazy gas
usage??????How come German diesels are so quite and have great
performances?As for American diesels, they are slow and sound like
crap.Also the German diesels have small engines not 3.3l engines!
vwmaniac
Read my previous post again and pay special attention to all the words
including but not limited to "much" and "global".
vwhobo
Don't know...maybe people in the mid-west (guessing by "redneck hell")
aren't interested in a nicely maintained vehicle. Show me your paper work
for making big dollars towing BMW's and I'll show you lazy car owners.
You know better than the rest of us here that German cars of yesterday were
quite good, but that they need the care of an enthusiast (or lover of the
car) to bring out the qualities therein. An ACV is an excellent car (I
have a '73 VW Bus) and quite reliable, but put someone that just drives and
doesn't pay attention to its needs and it can become a headache quite fast.
Proper maintenance on any car would yield great returns. So a Chevy or
Ford could be a good car mechanically, but you still have to live with all
the cheap plastic they pour into the styling...
BavarianWheels
Well let's see. You're way off on the midwest thing but that's immaterial.
And I certainly agree that German cars both new and old are generally well
built, long lasting, technologically advanced machines. I have PLENTY of
money invested in my German toys and have no desire to own a Ford or Chevy.
But......
My towing service, in addition to towing for my shops and doing police
calls, is sub-contracted with three nationwide services who are
sub-contracted by extended warranty companies and car manufacturer warranty
services. I am not speaking about older, abused cars. What I'm talking
about are current year models with VERY few miles on them, meaning under
10k. The only cars that we tow to a dealer for warranty repair more often
than a BMW is a Kia, and we do tows for all the dealers in a 50 mile
radius.
So... I'm glad that you're happy with your Bimmer and that you get good
service from it. You also appear to be an owner that is concerned with the
well being of his car, and that is my favorite type of customer, usually
smarter and easier to get along with. My point is that you can't use broad
statements like German (or American, Japanese, British, etc) cars are
better than any other (pick your country of origin) car. It just doesn't
work if you want to be taken seriously.
vwhobo
Well then...maybe you live in the one "redneck hell" that everyone buys
BMW's and KIA's. ;)
BavarianWheels
I find it odd, but not unexpected, that after I typed three paragraphs
that's all you can come up with. I'm not even sure if that's supposed to
be a smart or smart ass reply as it fails on both counts. :rolleyes:
vwhobo
Neither...just trying to reconcile my own beliefs in my own mind.
BavarianWheels
I just stumbled accross this while surfing around. It's not meant to be an
"I told ya so" to anybody. As a matter of fact I'm surpised by some of the
results myself. Just thought this might be interesting to look at while
persuing our dialog.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usatoday/20031104/bs_usatoda
y/11936449
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2003-11-03-reliablechart.htm
vwhobo
::sigh::
As they say in the computer ghetto lingo, "Ain't that a 3i7c4!"
BavarianWheels
huh????
SuperJew
3=B
i=i
7=t
c=c
4=h
Got it now?
BavarianWheels
Yo, SJ. I think it's a stab at me. :rolleyes:
vwhobo
I didn't have you in mind at all, vwhobo...don't know to what you would be
referring to.
BavarianWheels
I'm sure you don't. It's amazing how you found a partial paragraph in the
entire article. Keep in mind I don't agree with everything on the list
either.
vwhobo
<---still lost... ::gives up, hands in air:: :)
I commented as I own a 7 series...maybe that'll clear it up? :D
BavarianWheels
Hey, I didn't write the article and I honestly didn't even read the entire
thing before posting it. It's only supposed to be food for discussion not
arguement.
vwhobo
There was no argument from me...
BavarianWheels
Okay, just so there's no confusion how about if you explain what you meant
by "As they say in the computer ghetto lingo, "Ain't that a 3i7c4!"
vwhobo
Okay...one more time...
I was commenting that BMW did better save for the 7 series and the X5 were
worse than average.
Now...a few posts back I posted that I own a 7 series...hence the "Aint
that a Bitch" comment...Or, what am I about to encounter that the article
alludes to. I have not had any problems with our 1997 740i
"Flagship"...thus far.
BavarianWheels
And I would say that has to do with what we discussed before. I get the
impression you take extremely good care of your cars, and if there is a
minor problem you take care of it before it becomes major. If more owners
were like you there would be alot less people pissed off about their
"shitty" car.
What really amazes me is that there are no Kia's on the list. Maybe if you
buy a Kia you're not smart enough to bitch when it breaks.
vwhobo
I wouldn't say "extremely" good care, but I do have their regular
maintenance done and oil changes every 3k-4k miles...the dealer makes sure
to remind me...otherwise I'd forget like the rest of normal America. ;)
BavarianWheels
yeah. i was kinda thinking it was this way, cuz i was thinking
logically:
3 = E
i = i
7 = t
c = c
4 = A
now see why i said huh.
SuperJew
Yup...I got em twisted 'round...sry.
Shoulda put |3i7c|-|
BavarianWheels
ok that is even more confusing. you probably should have just flat out said
"bitch" to save us the trouble of deciphering it.
SuperJew
totally off topic.. but neons suck!!! lol
Jmacpherson
totally off topic but Preludes blow ass! hehe
SuperJew
what about the eral american muscle? Muscal Cars there better then hondas
and all that
Nova
i would get an american muscle car..............dodge viper gts hmmmmmmmm
:wink2:
WeaponR
if you want to drive eurotrash, then pack your crap and move to europe, as
far as i'm concerned, it's American anything all the way.
"I'd rather have sister in a -------------- than a brother that drives
imports" :cussing: :fu: :screwy: :evil:
uncle joe
You're pretty new and you already are starting up with this when we all
know that American Car companies are garbage.
BTW...exactly where is your sister located...and what would she say about
your thinking? If she agrees...then you must be a redneck and visiting her
at the whorehouse.
.
.
BavarianWheels
I now understand what you just wrote in the R&M section lol :laughing:
Cliffy
Yeah and exactly where does the fastest car on the plannet come from ummmm
let me think!
cinqyg
Given the right circumstances a soap box racer could attain those
speeds.
.
.
BavarianWheels
yeah , true a black hole would do the trick
cinqyg
its back....
http://www.smiliegenerator.de/s24/smilies-31773.png
SuperJew
woah, I now understand about the R&M too. sry bav. I'm too lazy to change
the post again though. sry.
Satty101
Indeed...lol :ohcrap:
Cliffy
This whole thread is so funny to read from start to finnish,try it
archangle
No thanx, I prefer to read posts as they appear....Not wait for five pages
and then read it all :laughing: :ohcrap: :banghead:
Cliffy
5 pages? how do you even know its finished yet :laughing: that guy must
have something wrong with him :laughing: :clown:
WeaponR
Very well said. *high five*
Voda48
I agree with Voda - well spoken tbax. :thumbs: i especially like this
bit:
:laughing:
SuperJew
its daimler btw
cinqyg
Ya his quote about the car blasting was very enjoyable
Voda48
looks like you didn't do well in grammar either...its basic as four wheels
with a gear stick and a steering wheel :laughing: :laughing:
WeaponR
I have no problems with people geting every day words wrong just car ones,
cuz i cant spell for toffe either.
cinqyg
lol i got the same thing too
the car words have to be spelt right! the most famous car word spelt wrong
of all i think...porshe :laughing:
i used to spell it like that too when i were little :oops: :laughing:
WeaponR
I seem to recall you spelling 'Peugeot' as Pergeot, or something like that
earlier on lol :thumbs:
Cliffy
probibly, u know my spellings shocking
cinqyg
stop picking on the kid Cliffy, please! :laughing:
WeaponR
LOL...C'mon, I cant help it, anyways, you all know I'm only jokin'....This
place is good like that :ticking: :wink2:
Cliffy
yeah! sure is....just don't pick on me will ya :wink2: :thumbs:
WeaponR
I aint even started with you yet mate :ticking: :laughing: ..just kiddin'
:clap:
Cliffy
okie dokes, no problemos lol
just don't in future too lol
WeaponR
i would bash cliffy but, hes only a rent boy, i mean cop :p
cinqyg
i respect cops......not cops on the net though :laughing: virtuall cops
hey! :wink2:
any of you read the newspapers lately? that article on net bobbies on the
beat :laughing: whats all that about
WeaponR
Yes, coppers on internet chat rooms to prevent groming of children, quite a
good idea I think :thumbs:
Cliffy
sure is! help ward off people like......'no names' lol
like my new sig?
WeaponR
European Cars... I mean come on... the RS6... M5... M3... S4... and tons of
mods... European Cars in my opinion. :2cents:
Edited for WeaponR.
StiMan
:confused: your point is......
what are you referring to any way?
WeaponR
I was saying that in my opinion Euro cars are better than American Muscle.
:2cents:
Isnt that what this thread was about? To say which one we liked better.
Right?
:screwy:
StiMan
from what the title reads, yeh
but if you take a look at the last couple of posts, i think no one would be
able to make out what your saying cos normally you will reply to the last
couple of posts!
should have made it more obvious! and sayin' euros aint a good way either.
euro (p.l) euros, is a currency now and could confuse any body. maybe if
you had put some thing like european cars or included the manufactures, i
would have understood. im sure many would agree
WeaponR
well we all know what bobbys are beating on the net!
cinqyg
not very nice is it? yeah, i think i do know lol
was that aimed at cliffy by any chance?
WeaponR
Lest we forget I dont live in Europe... thus I completely forgot about the
Euro. Sorry m8!
StiMan
There ya go WeaponR! I edited my post just for u!
StiMan
its ok just don't forget next time will ya :thumbs:
WeaponR
Look at this::www.perverted-justice.com/index.php?pg=abductlinks
lectroid
10 marks that man
cinqyg
hmmm very interesting
don't put that link there, it might give some one ideas :wink2:
WeaponR
cliffy you got that? im sure you did :laughing:
WeaponR
If I have to... :thumbs:
StiMan
Okie dokie!
btw, nice subaru you got there, like the colour scheme on it. its fab!
:thumbs:
WeaponR
um yeah, european cars are nice and all, but theres no comparison, american
muscle cars new and old will blow the doors off any import, and you can go
on ferrari this and porsche that, yes, there nice, yes there expensive, but
no, they will never, ever, be able to compete with american muscle cars.
but yeah, all i got to say is 2005 dodge hennessy viper....uhhh ferrari
what?
66novashova
1995 Koenig Ferrari F50
uhh "What"?
What
um yeah i just looked that thing up and it gets a 10.8 in a quarter mile,
my ****in car gets that, and its a chevy small block, the hennessy viper
will ****ing tear that thing apart buddy, go do your homework.
66novashova
01 vette tigershark...
66novashova
As nice and luxury as european cars are you just can't beat the sheer style
and class of an american muscle car. Just think which mercedes benz E-300
or a dodge viper? The competition is futile for the mercedes.
codescodes
And on top of that the noise a muscle car makes is a must.
codescodes
imho theres no better bang for the buck out there then *when* you could get
a brand new camaro/trans am
theres no car that does anywhere near a low 13 second 1/4 mile, has that
handling thats not an all engine car
theres nothing easier to get a few seconds faster either...
when youre getting into 7-9 second cars theres probably ones a lot easier
to get up there for cheaper without a new engine...
and about handling im sure id take an enzo or any ferrari or for that
matter over a corvette, but if price is anywhere involved in this id love
to have a vette or viper, but i dont know, i imagine i could make a vette
comparable if i spent $560 000 on modding the vette instead of buying an
enzo
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1661814
i love GM cars...wait till 2007, the new corvette z-06 replacement, the
c6-z will have a new redesigned 427cu (7.0L) big block from the 60's
they have been designing the engine and already have well over 500 bhp from
it
and it will be less then 5k more then a regular c6 vette, it will destroy
the viper in everything possible to do with a car
and i cant wait for the new 07 camaro with the 400hp ls2 engine
for luxury (which im not interested in at all) ive always been a fan of
mercedes, id take a 600 series car for that
Bullet Ride
CHOOSE WAT U LIKE :thumbs:
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