Okay, so I had a little chat with someone regarding respect. They feel that
everyone should be respected, even those who have not earned it.
My stance is that the only people who deserve respect are those who have earned it.
Needless to say, this caused a little bit of a row between us...
I think people deserve to be treated politely until they don't deserve it...but respect is earned.
yeah, i guess I should have clarified that further - I'll give anyone respect when I meet them, but once they've lost it, it's a long time before they get it back....
I agree, only those who have earned respect deserve it...
And yes hondaman everyone should be treated politely and in my opinion....respect is earned not given.
You think this guy deserves any kind of respect?
Maybe it's just me but I don't think anyone can respect him after seeing that... :2cents:
HA! Two of something...guess his friend could have shoved two graham crackers down the intake and that would be a twin turbo setup for Mr. Skyline.
Lol that gave me a good laugh, thanks :thumbs:
On another note, this just goes to show how ignorant some people may be... quite sad isn't it? :ohcrap:
AHAHHHAHAHAHA...omg that's so funny. sorry, but it's an insider...
seems like more people seem to follow my thought pattern then the other persons...hmmm...
Now now remember everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But that doesn't mean they are right. :laughing:
lmao, so true - can't wait til the other person reads this thread, this is going to be interesting.
I say respect is earned... :thumbs:
Me too. Unfortunately, some people get put in positions of authority and then think they somehow deserve respect. You know, like people who get to be a mod for no apparent reason and go around mindlessly closing, censoring or editing posts like they live in a socialist country. Do you know anybody like that?
I think that respect should be earned as well. I know what you mean hobo,
some of my relatives are horrible. One of my uncles is horrible; just
because he's old, he orders me around and speaks behind my back. Sure he is
older then I, but they act very immature, more so than I. They treat me
like crap, yet I am extremely polite to them. Tradition require me to be
polite to him but i don't respect him.
Considering that Cliffy has a life outside of being a mod here at this forum, i say hes doing a pretty good job. He finds time to post, and to edit stuff. But, sometimes things do get out of hand. Like ferrari666, and skylineSomething, you could be a little quicker on dealing with those guys. Also, recently alot of people are plugging adds and starting threads about dealerships and stuff. But, i'm not haggling on you or something; i know you don't have to do anything on this site. I just want to say thanks for the work.
Well just to be a the preverbial in the wood pile I don't think a person earns respect. I would doubt anybody I respect has set out to engender it, merely gone about their normal routine for personal gratification without big noting themselves.
But I think that's exactly the point Wally. A slimy used car salesman TRIES to earn your respect, or at least your trust, but he's still a slimey used car salesman looking to take you for whatever he can. It's the people who gain respect just by being themselves who truly earn and deserve that respect.
Yeah real ****ing hilarious Jeff.
Oh, but it is. You see, you were giving me shit for disrespecting someone
else. Oh wait, you were disrespecting me at that moment, when you said that
you respect everyone. And Pythias made a comment in which you disrespected
In short, stop preaching shit that you yourself do not even back up.
I'd say respect people, unless they do something stupid, to lose that respect...like burn your house down :laughing: :ohcrap:
That was some nice respect too, especialyl considering the link I orginially posted shows up on my computer. You are just such a respectful person lately. :thumbs:
I personally repect everyone.
I think that respect is UN-Earned in my book. For example, I meet someone
"Hi, my name is Daniel" says I (Start repecting him, for he is human)
"Hi, Im jack!" said the dude (Still respecting)
"Nice to meet you Jack!" I replied (Still respecting)
"I rape goats!" Jack says enthusiastically (No longer respecting)
"Interesting...." (Running away)
See how it works?
well thats what i said too, not in the first post, but i clarified myself...i'll respect someone until they've lost it, then it's a long time getting that respect back.
That really doesn't pass the common sense test. How can you respect someone you have never met or know nothig about? I believe in giving people the courtesy of the benefit of the doubt until you've learned something about them and can decide which side of the respect fence to come down on. But until you know them or at least something about them, you have no more reason to show them respect than to show them disrepect.
Well that's another way of putting it.... I guess what I should say is I
give them a chance to be respected...
and just due to the way i feel, i wont instantly disrespect someone...
I can agree with that totally... Well except for Canadians.
BTW, where about do you live? I used to come across the border all the time when I lived in North Dakota.
hahah same way i feel about you yanks :laughing:
Near Regina, on a farm :thumbs:
lol...Damn canucks...I wanna watch strange brew now.
Everyone should be respected, for their intelligence, instinct, talent, stupidity, power, knowledge, etc. Everyone/everything has a purpose for existing in this world, ultimately they must be respected for that reason if not for any other reason.
Sounds like something Gandhi would say :thumbs:
Maybe, i wouldn't know, im not a follower of Gandhi. What i stated is my own conclusion.
Fair enough, just had that sort of form of talk to it
I think everyone should be respected. Not necessarily because of who they
are, but because of who the giver of respect is. Consider this example: a
man talks down or disrespectfully to a woman because she has done something
that to him means she no longer deserves his respect. In my books, his
action reflects more on him as a person and his upbringing for him to speak
to her that way. We are all "allowed" our moments of insanity, but I don't
necessarily believe we should let the way people behave dictate who we are
as a person.
PS: I take it the question really should be, should we *show* respect to everyone, because by now I'm pretty sure the original poster was not asking about how highly we regard said person in our minds.
whoa there Janei. please tell me that your little "example" can work both
ways, otherwise i'm going to have to play the sexist card on you.
and you mean to tell me that if you for example; go out and sleep with the guys three best friends, then thats okay and he has no reason to talk down to you in any manner?
thats pure crap. sorry, but thats just crap in my opinion.
PS - Don't even START to tell me what I'm asking. I NEVER wanted to know what you thought about "said" person - I specifically asked about respect, and NOT for any particular person.
uh... I wasn't implying that you were referring to anyone in particular, if
that's what you mean. Sorry if you have trouble understanding my
In that particular situation that you mentioned, I still would not advocate talking bad about her. If she was good enough to be with at some point, she's a part of the person's history and who he is as a person. I would rather treasure the good parts of the past and just let the rest go. I still think the way he speaks of her after the fact will depend largely on how his Mama raised him. :2cents:
Errr, parlance my ass. You said, and I quote:
I am the original poster, and I posed the question correctly, respect everyone or only respect those who earn it(or don't lose it). I never talked about what you thought about someone in your minds.
And that's still crap, honestly.... if you really are that way, why aren't you a nun?....I don't see how that can be considered human in todays age, respecting someone who totally screwed you over...
Are you high? Why would you take the time to ask a question when you know
full and well that you'd start bitching because you do not like an answer?
You surely baffle me.
The difference between the two aspects of respect I was asking about were:
1) How you regard someone in your mind. Do you *think* highly of them, or do you think they are a complete fool and a waste of oxygen.
2) The difference here is how do you treat people. How do you express your thoughts and feelings towards them; how do you choose to communicate with them. If you do not like said person, are you still kind and "respectful", or do you address them in disrespectful ways because of the way you feel about them.
Basically there's a difference between what you really think about the person and how you act towards them. Both have to do with respect on some level. My response was made to the latter.
respect should be earned. when i was in highschool i had numerous teachers treat me like crap even though i wasn't in the bad crowd, i always showed respect for teachers who gave it back seeing that i tried hard and got good grades and went to school everyday, then i had this one bitch of a teacher which my fault i was a bit late for her class one morning so she tried to throw me out and i back talked her asking..."WHY" and that she better give me a better reason to throw me out of her class, she flipped out and demanded i "show her respect" i asked why? she said cuz im your teacher and older than you. to that i said you better show me respect too, she disagreed so i told her to go fornicate herself with a large metal rod, you cant just demand respect if you havent done shit to earn it. treat me like a human and i will do the same for you
Hey guys...I recon the Hobo has a grudge against me....oh dear, I better do
as he says....or maybe I should just be a man and ignor his childish
behaviour....say Hobo, why aren't you a Mod anymore? :ticking:
And to think, the above quote was written before your last outburst...you REALLY must have something against me :banghead:
And thanx, aerith...you hit the nail on the head :thumbs:
You're taking it a bit personally aren't you Cliffy? Mate I reckon if you and I were lined up with our backs to the wall and VWHobo & ChrisV had a bucket of bricks to hurl at us, you would come out fresher than an after dinner mint. :mrgreen:
Gee Cliffy, I couldn't possibly give you an honest answer because you'd be
a big man and close the thread... After you got in the last word. You are
a perfect example of why so many people have no respects for their bosses,
elected officials, school administrators, teachers, etc. You are right, at
least in your own mind, not because you have facts and logic to support
your actions but because you have power over others as in this forum where
you have the power to edit or close threads for no good reason, Even worse
is when somebody else closes a thread and you re-open it to add some of
your ignorant bullsh*t and then re-close it.
Why aren't I a mod anymore Cliffy? Do ya really want to know? There are a couple of reasons but this was the primary one. When we were kicking around the list of names for who to add as new mods, your name was unfortunately on the list. Others were neutral but I was vehemently opposed to you being nominated. I foresaw exactly how you would abuse your powers and made it very clear that I wanted nothing to do with a power hungry, candyassed and essentially worthless piece of sh*t like you and wanted in no way to be associated with your type. You couldn't and still can't even run your own POS forum and you're not doing this one any favors either. The bottom line is that there was a vote taken and I lost. Great, democracy works. But as I tell so many dumbasses like you on this forum, I could chose to continue to participate and be part of the problem or I could seperate myself from the situation and not. I chose not.
So Cliffy, the short answer is that I'm not a mod anymore because for some people in this world principle is still more important than position. I'm one of those people and because of that nobody on this forum can put my name in the same basket as a jerkoff like you. Normally at this point I would say have a nice day but for you... Just f*ck off and die Cliffy.
Oh yeah, almost forgot. Make sure you follow your pattern by making some stupid comments to get in the last word and then close the thread as usual.
I'm sorry but that was a little too harsh for just a simple question, you didn't need to come off like that to Cliff
voted only those who have earned it. those who dont deserve respect dont get it for obvious reasons. why should a guilty man be set free unless he has redeemed himself and paid the price?
I voted other cause I think that everyone deserves to be treated with respect untill they show they don't deserve it. Also, people should be able to earn more respect if they can show they deserve it. :2cents:
did you read the entire thread - i furthered clarified the "earn the respect" option as also being they have respect until its lost...there just isnt that much bloody room in the poll boxes lol but thanks for responding :thumbs:
I voted other because I think all people deserve respect, until there is a reason they shouldn't. Think of it like this, you start a class at 100% and your grade is raised or lowered by your performance. So, everyone starts off with my respect, until they do something that takes it away.
Did they change school that much since I graduated high school? Every
school I've ever attended (primary, secondary, college, university and
technical) you started with zero points and had to earn them through
participation, test scores, attendance or some other criteria. Using your
theory, I could take the class of my choice and as long as I didn't do
anything to lose points, like crap on the instructors desk for example, at
the end of the semester I'd still have a perfect score. Or to make this a
little less broad, when the teacher handed me a test, as long as I didn't
mark any wrong answers by leaving everything blank, I'd ace the test.
Somehow this doesn't wash.
Oh yeah, almost forgot. If my grade starts at 100%, how can I raise it by superior performance? I don't know either.
I was just using it as an example hobo. I'm saying everyone in my book starts off with my respect and they can do things to lose it and also gain it back.
I still don't see how you can respect someone you know nothing about. Here
are a few definitions of respect straight out of the dictionary;
1. an attitude of admiration or esteem
2. a courteous expression (by word or deed) of esteem or regard
3. a feeling of friendship and esteem
4. the condition of being honored (esteemed or respected or well regarded)
5. regard highly; think much of
How does any of that apply to someone that you just met? I really can't comprehend that.
On the contrary, how can you disrespect someone that you have just met? My point is that I give everyone my respect until they do something that takes it away. If you don't agree with that, then that's your opinion.
Don't put words in my mouth. Show me anywhere that I said to disrespect someone you just met. Can't do it because I didn't type it. You seem to live a very black and white life in a world filled with gray. Why can't you just meet a person and reserve judgement until you know something about them? Isn't that the logical and intelligent thing to do?
Did you not just hear me? If you don't agree with me, thats fine. I think that everyone deserves respect until they do something to lose it. That's my opinion. It seems to me that if everyone's opinion isn't like yours that it can't be right.
Did you hear me? I said don't put words in my mouth. And again, show me where I stated you aren't entitled to your opinion. All I said is I can't comprehend it because it's not based on intellect or logic. I've explained my side, why can't you explain yours?
I've explained my side, multiple times. Go back up and read.
Well, no you didn't. You said;
It tell us what you do, but not why and also uses a crappy analogy. Then you said this;
Again what you do but not why, so you went to this;
All I'm asking is why. What do you base your opinion on. All I want you to do is explain it so I can understand and not twist my words into something I never said.
I knew why you opted out of Modship....or was almost certain, anyway. You
really didn't need to type all that, it must have taken you hours....what
with your joints n' all. Tell you what hobo, you just cant grasp the fact
that I'm respected here at CF. So, I think you're in a minority...That post
summed you up nicely :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Have a nice day....Do make sure you dont accidentally fall underneath the wheels of a Bus :thumbs:
how about people start out deserving courtesy, and earn your respect based on what you decide. later, they could potentially lose your respect and lose their right to courtesy from you, depending on the situation. some people will remain between courtesy and respect forever. they're not bad people, they just don't have what it takes to bump it up to respect... :2cents:
Methinks we need some respect on these forums :banghead:
Not a bad description. On forums, that means until you post the same old
tired crap that shows you haven't thought the situation through, you get
courtesy. After that, all bets are off. If you show the willingness to
learn and keep an open mind, you get respect. If you show a good base of
knowledge, you gain respect. You argue about the right to an opinion you
lose respect, and you keep repeating dumbass statements and show a complete
lack of desire to learn why a mistaken statement is mistaken, you lose all
of it. WHo have we seen here like that? Jay-G? Oomba? Our new European
The problem is too many people want to be treated with respect even when they have not only not earned it, but actively done things to lose it. In fact, there is nothing to even say they should be treated civilly, much less with respect.
I agree :thumbs:
*tries to figure out why Hobo thinks I'm on a power trip......stops thinking, doesn't care, nuff said* :thumbs: :laughing:
Would you both please get a room?
i thought you respected everyone....that doesnt seem like to respectful of a statement...
in my books you start with three strikes and you have to work them off, but i have a good bullshit face and can make anyone feel respected :mrgreen:
Respect.....is earned. Not something that is given without just cause.
In the words of the great American poet A. Franklin...
Find out what it means to me
Take care, TCB
Oh (sock it to me, sock it to me,
sock it to me, sock it to me)
A little respect (sock it to me, sock it to me,
sock it to me, sock it to me)
wow, that's funny. i have what my wife calls a "tell me your bullshit" face, which compels people i've known for 10 seconds to tell me their life story...
And you never told me if you were high or not, so that makes two of us that are a little confused...
Wow, once again, very respectful. Inferring that I do drugs, cute. I chose to ignore that particular comment, being that I despise drugs. Thanks for trying, have a nice day.
*sigh*.... How did I drag myself into a "conversation" with a 12 year old...
Because you have a long standing history on this forum of sticking your nose in where it doesn't belong and then whining like a little bitch when somebody chops it off. Once again you got what you deserved but aren't willing to accept your resposibility. How very typical and predictable of you.
Where does my nose *not* belong here? We were ALL specifically asked for
opinions on respect in a POLL nonetheless to which I responded.
You and ChrisV were going back and forth like an old married couple and so I told you to get a room. Dodger links that back to the topic on respect to which I feel it bears no relevance. Unless, of course, just like him you are stupid enough to feel that my comment has anything to do with the amount of respect I have for you and ChrisV. Have a nice day. Or better yet, "fuk off and die." Idiot. :banghead:
1. Your first post in this thread had nothing to do with the subject of
the thread and the two of us who were arguing never asked for your opinion.
What you did was stick your nose in where is didn't belong between two
other people. Which brings me to...
2. If you have the brain power of a simple garden radish, it would be clear to you that it was not ChrisV and I who were arguing, it was Cliffy and me. You see Janei, when two men are arguing about something, anything, we don't need any assistance from a worn out old tampon storage unit like yourself.
3. Once again your actions are completely predictable and expected form someone with your low self esteem and intelligence. Please let it go and better yet leave us alone. Here's an idea for you. Go spend some time on one of your pro-abortion sites. I'm on your side now... I've been campaigning for retroactive abortions for months now and you can be the test case.
4. Have a nice day.
Wait a minute! Where was I involved in this thread with Hobo? I only posted
ONCE in this thread (at the bottom of the fourth page), and that was to
agree with dodger65, and then expanding on it. YOU said "get a room" after
If you call that "going back and forth like an old married couple" then you need to get your eyes checked. Once might have been a slip, but you typed it TWICE, meaning you're complaining about something you weren't even paying attention to....
Ah good that settles that then, i was just trying to find where you and hobo were "going back and forth like an old married couple" :screwy: Boy my memory sucks. :thumbs: Thanks for clearing that up :wink2:
Nice to see that you can also read. Check my profile and you would notice that I'm 19. :clap: I guess you win the hero cookie!
I seriously laughed out loud at that comment. Nice one Hobo :thumbs:
goddamn, my stomach hurts, i think i peed my shorts a little......HAHAHHA, anyway im not agreeing with hobo or jane i just thought the string of words kinda rolls off my tounge"worn out old tampon storage unit " now that is an instant ****in classic.
Can't forget when someone said to get a hold of himself and he said he was holding his left nut and typing at the same time :orglaugh:
I think it's interesting how you had this to say but took a punk's opening
to say it. Hoping little kids will fight your battles, now are we?
You can call me whatever you want, so long as you know it applies to your wife, your mother, and every other woman in your life. :thumbs: BTW, I assume you've got that room by now? The two of you seem to have calmed down for a bit.
Oh well. Couldn't impress everyone, could I? The Hobo think's I'm unintelligent, I better go jump off a cliff. :screwy:
Wow. Look who's still losing sleep over the fact that I would terminate a pregnancy if I'm not ready. But hey, interesting recommendation to leave coming from somene who has been circling the drain on this forum on several occasions for months at a time, at least once storming off like a little kid with a pacifier in his mouth promising never to return. At least when I say the shit I say, I mean it. :thumbs: Pro-abortion...lol. I'm a choir girl when compared with the real stuff. You're still an idiot.
It was ONE line, ChrisV. Sorry if I'm not spending 24/7 keeping track of you all's soap operas :screwy: I knew who I was "complaining" (I prefer "commented", again, ONE f'ing line!) about at the time. They'd been going back and forth on multiple threads about the fact that they hate each others guts. Enough already, we get it! You must have been fresher in my memory or something so for some reason after that I genuinely thought it was about the other conversation he was having with you. This makes more sense.
Taking you out of the equation, same deal applies. I think Cliffy's a fine dude. :thumbs:
In my short interaction with you, you generally seem to have trouble understanding the simplest expressions, initially insisting I was attacking you when I was not. Perhaps it's cultural. I would have to say, you're not that far off from my real guess, which was a 16 year old with the maturity of a 12 year old. You don't really deserve any of this shit so I'll hold off... for now.
All I can say to that statement(?) is, HUH? Unlike you I'm not looking to
bring anybody else into your little war.
Again I say, HUH? Attempting to insult my family and friends stilll doesn't change the fact that you interjected your ignorant ass into the middle of someone elses argument. When are you going to grow up and take responsibility for your own actions. I forgot, you're a Democrat, never.
Thank you, that would do the human race a great favor. Darwinism and evolution and all.
You're too insignificant in my life to even think about unless I'm on this forum. By the way little miss I don't have any facts so I'll make some up, how about showing me where where I said I was never coming back. Still can't do it and you've been using that lame bullshit for at least a year now. Finally thank you for the compliment. Coming from someone like you it certainly is.
You better take that to heart dodger. She knows what she's talking about being a 30 something old cum dump with the maturity of a 12 year old. I bet she has a yeast infection older than that.
You're such a desperate old man, trying to create a personality in order to
make your life more interesting. Less than two hours ago I just apologized
to ChrisV so your comments and entire thought process on this issue are
completely disproved. "Pro-abortion" "democrat." What would your pathetic
little life be without your simplistic labels on other people?
And I'm not trying to insult your family and/or friends. Just pointing out that *your* stupid little insult simply comes around full circle. What? Huh? Old man still can't get a clue?
lol no shit. Now go make up some more labels. You know those winter years are coming a-knocking, I bet they'll help you out a ton.
Well how about make your little departure permanent. At least your recommendation comes from experience :thumbs: Did you drop your pacifier, little boy? :laughing:
Again, descriptions a few of which I'm SURE fit your wife. Keep 'em coming. Oops or did I mean cumming... it's hard to tell when conversing with a sexually desperate person such as yourself.
Yeah, I think I'm going to get all emo and go take a ton of pills or some
stupid shit that a 12 year old would do just because someone on a forum was
insulting them...i mean, apparently I think like a 12 year old, so I really
got to do something to prove it as well.
Please allow me to translate this for all of our members who haven't
learned to read the language of Ignorant Slut.
You finally said something that makes sense. I think I'll take the high road and take action on that last sentence.
WHAT?!?! I'm convinced, you are HIGH. :laughing: You've taken every
single opportunity to call me a whore even though you don't know me, and
now you're going to WHINE about character assasination. Do you even *know*
the meaning of the phrase?
I've explained that I wasn't insulting your family but you're still too dense to get it. Keep piling your sexual insults on women, but even the littlest child will know that since your wife and mother are both women, the same will apply to them. Sorry if you're too idiotic to get it.
I've corrected myself whenever anyone (including your sorry ass self) pointed out that I was wrong. Sorry if you have to hang on to some made up personality to make your life worth living. I certainly am sorry to disappoint you :wink2:
Please... do us all a favor... and refrain from posting ever again... for I fear if you continue... you may find a way to make us all as retarded as you are... so far out of all the posts in this thread... I can sum it up in 7 words.... "I am an ifnorant piece of sh*t." :thumbs:
It's actually pretty fun being "ifnorant." You get to fuk with the minds
of retards like yourself just by existing.
...And who the HELL are you again? Got it: "Idiot."
Jane I know it might be common in your neck of the woods, but do you really have to resort to profanity on the board? Just when I think you've got a handle on things you throw in some very unladylike words.
Didn't mean to offend you, Wally, :wink2: but I'm just responding to attacks. I've been known to use profane language every now and then on the board (ie nothing new for me); but apparently the occasions have been few and far between.
Jane it doesn't offend me, I hear the words often enough each day as adjectives and adverbs. I just think you are better than that.
Well, I don't see myself changing anytime soon :laughing: And I do swear routinely if not profusely in real life, although usually on a more friendly basis.
and no shit pythias who the phuck are you, this thread is now on the subject of sticking your nose in where it doesnt belong..... so maybe a little STFU is needed :mrgreen:
Where it doesn't belong? Wow, and here I have been posting wherever I may please, because after all, I thought that was what you could do on a forum. Well if thats not the case then could you from now on tell me where my nose does and does not belong? That'd be great thanks. :thumbs:
for the love of god tell me your being sarcastic...
LMFAO, Yes I assure you that was alll sarcasm. :laughing: