An E-Mail Rant From My Dad

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I have to agree with my dad.

posted by  TheFieroKid

Word. I love intelligent liberals.

posted by  Zalight

The voters in South Dakota decided they didn't want abortion in their state, and it's not affecting your dad, unless he lives in South Dakota. Why does he care?

posted by  jedimario

Because its an impendent on women’s rights!
If one state does it, it puts roe Vs wade at risk in all the other states, mark my words this is the begging of a vary dark time in US history (actually the start was in 2000)... hey your not getting an abortion why do you care if some woman in ca does it? You shouldn’t but you still push for its ban don’t ya? Well for the same but opposite reason we are fighting for its continued legalization...

But **** with all these crazy religious right wing assholes are always stepping on our freedoms telling us what’s good for us! I am an adult just like my father and I have the right to have a woman shake her naked boobs in my face for dollars! **** those women can make upwards of 1k$ a day! I know my GF used to do it here in Lansing (IT pays better... but not much).
They tell us what’s safe for us based off their bible which is wrong! They have no right making laws based off of religious teachings! I will fight this tooth and nail... I wish it were 2008 so bush would be gone so we can get a decent man or woman in there to do something right for a change.

And before you get all on me for being a hypocrite, I don’t support banning SUVs (I just think common since would tell you its not a daily driver), I don’t support out lawing smoking but it should be banned from all public places (why? Because it in dangers me as a person sitting next to you), if you want to kill your self by all means puff away but do it out side. Now where as naked boobs and abortions if they hurt any one it’s the person whos shaking the boobs (ya right) or the woman having the abortion… she has to take on the emotional baggage that comes with an abortion, not you! I don’t support it as a birth control method (just unsafe) but if a woman is rapped she should be allowed to have an abortion, if a young woman is seduced by say her father she should be allowed to have an abortion, if a young woman who’s just starting school makes a bad decision (or a condom brakes) she should be allowed to continue her education no have the child and shortly there after become a drain on society, I think a crack addict should be allowed to have an abortion (Actually I think that should be enforced), but now none of these women can in SD… and it’s a social step backwards and it’s a very sad day in SD, and my hopes and thoughts are with the women who need to have it done but now cant.

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posted by  TheFieroKid

I agree, it's a woman's right to choose what she does with her body!

posted by  Cliffy

Becasue it sets a precedent that other states look at. The idiots haven't figured out that banning it doesn't make it go away. they forget that abortions existed, in pretty large numbers before Roe vs Wade made it legal. It was simply more dangerous. All this crap does is put it back underground where it will be black market and unsafe for the women.

They haven't figured out that "pro Choice" does not mean "abortions are the answer" just that legal options make things safer for those that CHOOSE that option. Choice also exists to not exersize that option.

This decision means that unless giving birth woudl physically harm/kill teh mother, it has to be carried to term, regardless of the other consequences. Meaning that some girl raped by someone that can carry to term without it being life threatening will HAVE to carry to term, even if that causes financial hardship. it means that if two people get together and the guy decides to run off at the last minute, leaving the girl with no suppot, she still has to carry through, even if he is no longer there to support the kid.

Are the idiots that made these decisions going to help people in those situations? of course not. That would cost money and they aren't about to do that, other than pass some retarded moral judgement on the woman in question.

Mary got pregnant from a kid named Tom who said he was in love
He said don't worry about a thing baby doll I'm the man you've been dreamin' of
But three months later he said he won't date her or return her call
And she sweared god damn if I find that man I'm cuttin' off his balls
And then she heads for the clinic and she gets some static walkin' through the doors
They call her a killer, and they call her a sinner, and they call her a whore

God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in her shoes
'Cause then you really might know what it's like to have to choose

posted by  ChrisV

:clap: To find out what happens when you ban abortion, look at some places in Africa or Romania where the U.S. pulled funding because the clinics offered abortion. Banning it will not stop it, just as banning drugs did not stop drug users from using. :2cents:

posted by  97Talonchik

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posted by  TheFieroKid

what its like- everlast...

posted by  illusion34

You morons! A woman does have a right to choose! She can choose to go have sex with the guy, but she's gonna have to pay the consequences. An unborn child is a human, just like the rest of us. You don't thionk so? Tell me why not then? What scientific evidence do we have that says an unborn baby isn't human? So, if a fetus is indeed human, is it right to kill one? You tell me. Do you guys think that laws considering the killing of a pregnant woman two murders are very good laws? I don't know if you do or not, but if you do, then you would have to agree that abortion is also wrong! It's the same thing! If a fetus is indeed a living human being, then abortion is murder, that's it. There's no way around it. Now show me that that fetus isn't alive and isnt' human.

BTW, I agree with the other part of your dad's rant, while I wholeheartedly think that such behavoir is extremely immoral and wrong, I don't think the government should be telling people not to do or tell them how to do it.

posted by  jedimario

She didn’t choose to get rapped! Name calling isn’t going to win arguments... you'll learn that as you get older.

A fetus that’s in the first trimester can not live on its own out side the womb... so at that point it is nothing more then a mound of flesh in side a woman... once it can live on its own with out the woman then its a human till then its flesh.

Are you for or against the death penalty? Cause if you’re for you can’t use this argument, because by that standard human life is human life.

If the woman is in her first trimester that doesn’t usually stick its when the woman is beyond that, that they’ll stick you with it... unless you did something considerably horrible... then they will just stack on as many charges as they can.
If you rip your wife to shreds with a chainsaw and she’s carrying your child, ya they'll stick ya with 2 murders... but if your just driveling down the street and a random woman walks in front of your car they aren’t going to charge you with double vehicular man slaughter.

You can’t agree with one part and not the other... it’s about personal freedoms, which yours,GWBs, the governor of SD, the mayor of GR and unfortunately lots of people in office (not the ones I voted for), religious beliefs are impeding on.

posted by  TheFieroKid

YOu really have no clue, do you? Read the lyrics and figure out the facts. Oh, wait, you've never heard of somone being with a partner for a year, getting them pregnant, promising a life together, then leaving, have you? It happens a LOT. Even more than "traditional" rape.

Until you take money out of YOUR pocket to fix THAT situation, you need to STFU about the woman's morality. That's your f*cking double standard: a guy is ok if he has sex everywhere and with anyone, but a girl is a whore who needs to be punished, as she's the ONLY one, in your narrow vision, responsible. Until you FORCE the guy to be responsible, then you need to quit requiring the GIRL to take all the consequences.

Yeah, that frat boy gets his short term girlfriend all liquored up, promises her the moon and a real life, gets her to have sex with him, his condom breaks, she's pregnant, and he splits. But yeah, it's all HER fault. Now, you want to make sure that she can't go to school, can't get a job, has to be a single mom, pay all the bills and cost of raising the kid, because you have some absof*ckinglutly RETARDED sense of morality.

YOU'RE THE MORON! (you started it).

posted by  ChrisV

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I never really thought Chris and I would have so much in common... but we have very simular thoughts on things... way to go chris.

And Jedi by your standards if a promising med student makes one mistake and gets knocked up by a guy at a party she’s got to drop out and take care of her child... now she cant become a doc and save peoples life’s... what a wonderful trade off... Ill bet that child wont grow up with a mother who resents her.

So Jedi have you had sex yet, what about kissed a girl? By the rules and standards of the catholic church if you’ve made out with a girl then your just as bad as someone who’s had sex out of wed lock (I was told this by my old priest)… so those who are with out sin may cast the first stone… oh I guess your not throwing any rocks are you…

posted by  TheFieroKid

Oh...damn :ohcrap:

I would have to agree with Chris and Fierokid though, Jedimario the best way to win an argument is to first know what you're talking about and name calling really only gets you steps backwards

posted by  99integra

I'll be damned if I allow ANYONE tell me what I can and cannot do with my body, especially the government. Besides, there is a little thing called separation of church and state. :wink2:

posted by  97Talonchik

Sadly though the line between both is startting to get fuzzy:banghead:

posted by  TheFieroKid

This is true, however when is that fetus considered as protected under the law of state or law in general, women in the last trimester aren't legally able (in most instances) to have an abortion because the child is viable outside of the womb. Correct?

posted by  99integra

OK, first off, I wasn't quite back to normal when I wrte that, I'm sorry for being hateful. I'll try to be reasonable now...

If she's raped, she still has an option, and this is for you too Chris, it's called ADOPTION. She doesn't have to be a single mother. Give me one good reason why abortion is a better alternative to adoption when a woman doesn't want the responsibiolity of a child.

The death penalty is given to people proven guilty of a crime. If a fetus has commited a crime worthy of the death penalty, by all means, kill it.

Yes I can. If I didn't think a fetus was a live human being, I wouldn't care one way or the other. Whether not it can sustain itself, it's still alive. It makes it's own decisions, has separte and different DNA, and preforms it's own bodily functions. It's a separte being, that's that.

posted by  jedimario

double post

posted by  jedimario

1st Who wants to carry a rapist’s child? Ask any women if she thinks that sounds like a good time, what about incest? we all know the birth defects associated with that.
2nd Do you know how many unwanted children are living in-group homes in the US? You get the adoption rates up in this country and Ill consider it an option... I read a report (I think it was Newsweek) a few years back about the statistics of foster children and crime rates and it was staggeringly high.
Not to mention I learned in my physiology class that they have more mental issues then children of regular homes (even broken ones.

No Christians run on the platform that fetus is human life... and that all human life is valuable...SOOO by that standard the death penalty should be allowed either. And what have you to say about the innocent people who are killed every day through the death penilty? I think you should watch The Life of David Gale.

No if it cant live on its own out side the body it isn’t alive by the rules and standards that you or I are alive. What decisions does a 6-week-old fetus make? Give me one... come on I’m waiting... oh that’s right it doesn’t!

posted by  TheFieroKid

So it sounds like you're saying we should just kill off all the people who can't get their lives straight. Why let them live to become that, right?

The Bible also says that if a man murders another man, then he should be put to death. So your statement is not entirely correct. And should we stop punishing ALL criminals because we MIGHT be punishing innocent people? If we elimate the death penalty because of this, why not just take all punishment away?

Parasites can't live on their own, they have to have a host. Some of them can't live on the outside of their host. Would say they're part of the host? Also, the fetus has different DNA. This is enough to make it a different being by itself, tell me one organism that has varying DNA throughout it.

posted by  jedimario

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