So what's the mood amongst the nation?
Everyone's starting way too early...I can't say that I've decided who I'm
going for, but at this point, if I had to pick someone, it'd be John
McCain, followed by Chris Dodd.
Hillary is my least favourite, and Obama seems too inexperienced IMO.
It seems Hillary doesn't have a shot, which I don't mind. I like what I've heard of Gulliani's (sp?) plans, but don't think he's got much of a shot either. Obama has a damn good chance, his lack of experience means that opponents will have less dirt to dig up on him. Can't say I've looked into it as much as I should have, but as Chris said, it's still early.
Chris doesnt have a say in the matter, so we shall ignore his comments from this point on. hahah no but really, its gunna be a white male thats my prediction hahahahaha, you know its true too dont lie to yourselves.
I like Canada, but our politics just seems boring lol...I'm thinking of actually taking political science in a US university...Or I might take engineering :laughing:
i don't like any of them.
i guess i'll run...*tell your friends
You'll need to convince me that I should root for you (not being able to vote for more than 1 reason lol). Also, I heard these campaigns are going to be the most expensive, costing like a billion dollars...Get collecting.
Since We can't have Howard, a petition has been started to get Fred Dalton Thompson to run. 800k sigs in 6 days, last I checked. The rest all pretty much suck. They did start way to early.
Who is Fred Dalton Thompson? Was he some sitcom star from the 80's (referencing the usage of three names that was popular amongst stars in the 1980's, i.e. Tiffany Amber Thiesen, Mark Paul Gosslar, Soliel Moon Frye, etc.)?
He was a senator from Tennessee. He now stars in a tv series called "Law
and Order." One of the few left with common sense. He is a Repub. Google
I have been a Dem for forty years. It scares the hell of of me to to think the moonbats could take over. Thompson would be a good one.
Some people think I'm crazy, but I think John Edwards would be a great
candidate. I listened to him a bit and the guy is intelligent. Had he ran
against Bush the last time, I would have voted for him. Instead, they put
Herman Munster in as the Presidential Candidate. Things would have been
I like Barack Obama as well. He's another highly intelligent individual and I entirely support his stance on religeon and politics. I started watching him following his commentary during the 2004 elections. I was surprised he wasn't running. Again, he would have been an excellent candidate back then.
Ahh, I know who he is now. I love Law & Order. I'll have to see what his views are...
My deciding vote will be based on: plans to remedy the social security problem, the war and future plans for that, how the candidates plan on balancing religeon and politics (not to intertwine), plans to remedy the growing illiteracy rate and lowered test scores nationwide, plans to reconcile world differences and the hate that has been bestowed upon America, plans for global warming, and most importantly how they plan on providing a more affordable healthcare plan for individuals who may not be able to afford coverage and/or lowering the rising cost of coverage for those who currently do have coverage.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!!
I have been a member of the Democrat party for 40 years. Right now there is not one that I can trust. As a business man who has employed hundreds of people during my career, I can say the Dems have hurt me, my family, my company, and my country, more than you can imagine. There are certain things which come with age. One of those is wisdom. I use that wisdom now to tell you that, there is nothing in the heart of John Edwards that will help this country. Obama is a Muslim who will sell this country out the first chance he gets.
We are at war. It is a war we must win. Just because we leave Iraq doesn't mean the other side will stop fighting. If we leave without winning, Europe will fall to Muslim control within the next 15 years. I have written several articles about this subject, but they are two long to post. If you are interested pm me an address and I will send them to you. I don't have a place to post them.
Since 911, there have been over 7835 more terrorist attacks around the world. There has probably been two more, in the time it took me to type this. Two many people think the US is the cause of all this, but these attacks have been going on since 1920. Right now there are 44 armed conflicts on this planet. Most are being conducted by Muslims, in their quest for world domination. And the world stands by and does nothing. I remember when the world thought Hilter was a good guy, and the US was bad.
If you would like my articles pm me with an email addy. I can also explain why you should not fear God in your government.
What the heck, let's talk about God....
In only two hundred years, this country became the greatest nation in the history of the world, and now all out war has been declared on God. If you left-wingers think that destroying God in
America will improve your life, if you think removing God and prayer will improve your life, if
you think removing God from all public buildings will improve you're your life, then all I can say
is: "God help you."
God, whether you believe in him or not, does matter. The people, who truly do believe, will treat you better, be your friend, love you like a brother, and use truth and fairness in their everyday dealings with you. The constant reminder of God in our public places helps Christians. They were not placed there to torment nonbelievers, but were installed by men who really felt that God was the only way to peace and prosperity, and who wish to be reminded of his constant presence. It constantly reminds us to treat you as someone who we respect and love. Take all that away and we will become just as godless as you and most liberals. Will the United States really be a better place then? We the people, in order to form a more perfect union. Do you think there can be a perfect union without God? Do you really think America could have become the greatest nation in the world without God?
The Word of God has caused men to excel far above what they could normally accomplish. I am not trying to convince you to accept God into you life, I am just saying God has made this country what it is. It was built by men of God, defended by men of God, its laws were written by men of God, and it makes no difference if you do not believe in God, because they did. Throughout history, over and over, God has reached out his divine hand and prevented us from perishing from the face of the earth. There have been wars we should have lost, disease's we should have succumbed to, natural disasters which should have destroyed us, financial difficulties, and on and on. But America always rebounded, faster then any other nation in the history of the world. And you think that happened without God? Do you think Americans are just smarter then the rest of the world? Remember we took the worlds tired, and poor, and huddled masses, all yearning to be free, under God. Do you think we received only their best and brightest? We led the world in manufacturing, medicine, inventions, human rights, agriculture, and a host of other miracles. And you think we were just smarter then other countries. If you believe this is the greatest country in the world, then the concept of GOD has to be taken into account for its existence.
It should not bother you to pause while people bow their heads and pray, it's only polite. It should not bother you to see a copy of the ten commandments in a public building, it only has
significance for Christians, you can just ignore it. However do you think you are a better person if you ignore these ten simple little rules? It should not anger you to see a nativity scene at
Christmas, regardless of its location. You fight against things which bring out the best in men and fight for foul language and pornography the things that bring out the worst in men, and call it free speech. You feel that one night of selfish lust is a good reason to kill you children, and that makes the world a better place. Your comedians no longer have the ability to make people laugh without using four letter words, and you think this is funny and a good thing.
There are many countries in the world that do not have God. Is there just one, you would prefer
to live in? I now submit, that when you have deleted God from America, then America will
change and no longer be the America you love. Without God, there will be anarchy of the soul
and men will turn to beasts. Then you will be bothered, and I am afraid it has already started to
happen. The world is still a place ruled by Newton's law, "for every action there is an equal and
opposite reaction." We must all think of our actions.
Separation of Church and State, means that neither can influence the other. It does not mean they
should totally ignore one another. When the government produces laws against God, (prayer in
school, removal of the Ten Commands, etc.), then that separation has been compromised.
The above words are only the thoughts of an old man. I write them not in anger, but to incite
thought. They are based on my feelings, and experiences in life, and not even I can guarantee the
total truth to all my memories. However, there are a few points that bare discussion, just leave
your anger at home. An open mind will allow you and your family the growth and prosperity you
deserve, but a closed mind will create problems in your future, that you can't imagine. Your life
cannot be lived over. You cannot start fresh and undo all the bad you did. I only ask that before
you seek social change, that the future effects of your actions are properly explored. Really try to
understand, not just who might be helped, but who might also be hurt.
I assume some of your articles "prove" this in a scientific (not political) fashion?
Here's (http://www.car-forums.com/talk/showthread.php?t=26134) a thread I
made about global warming. Make sure you read ChrisV's post too.
BTW, jcutsh, I totally agree with almost everything you've said in those posts. I'm reading a book now, called Do-Gooders: How Liberals Hurt Those They Claim to Help (and the Rest of Us)...Which basically talks about what you did lol.
Yes, Much more so then a fat old politician. 20 years ago it was global
cooling. In 2012 it is suppose to be global freezing. There are 4
petition on the internet at the present time. All are being signed by
scientist in the fields of climate studies. Not some professor who teaches
history. Their are two physicists in Sweden who just released a book on
why the sun is causing the problem. My god we can't even hold the temp in
our living rooms to 1º. How could we expect for the entire planet to do
that? Mankind just can stand it when he isn't in total control.
"Two cave men were kicking back after work Friday night. One said "Hey, have you noticed that the glacier down by the park is getting smaller?"
"Its cause of Global Warming".
"It's cause we use fire. It makes the place heat up, and that melts the ice."
"Man! What can we do?"
"Eat your Woolly Mammoth raw from now on."
What were these guys thinking 25,000 years ago.
I will trust the real scientist.
While obviously a grand success in many ways, I would have to say Britain
was far greater and it did it from scratch with agressive neighbours.
It seems that the US loses it will to complete wars that it starts. The Iraq conflict was to be the USA's proof that Vietnam was an aberation, but so far it's not going all that well is it.:wink2:
I think you guys need an old style British type at the helm ..... someone who can use a big stick effectively without pissing the rest of the world off.:mrgreen:
And I should add that the detention then kangaroo court appearance of David Hicks has caused a lot of ill feeling towards the US in this country. It's not that he may be guilty of bad things, but that the law has been manifestly abused by your authorities for political gain. If a country is prepared to ignore it's seperation of powers and the rule of law, it is doomed to social and economic decay.
Hi Wally, Sorry to hi-jack your thread.
There is a growing movement here in the US of the V vets. We are opposing the moonbats, and trying to turn things around. I agree our corruption has gone on to long. Google the "Gathering of Eagles". There were 40000 of us in DC on the 17th against 10000 moonbats. We will be silent no more.
You know when a country is losing it's clout when a major event like a big slide on the stock exchange coupled with huge potential losses from sub prime lending defaults only causes a blip on the international markets. Meanwhile China now produces more steel than the USA and Japan combined and will become the largest economy in about 18 months. India is hard on it's heals.
I know for the past 8 years my portfolio has done very well, Thank you very
much. The pendulum always swings back and forth. Money can be made in
both directions. America will bounce off, in a new direction and survive
quite well. Cherry-O and PIP-PIP
And if I remember my history, wasn't it England who went around the world conquering nations. "The sun never sets on the English empire," you know that kind of stuff. Except for a few small Islands, I don't think the US ever conquered anyone it didn't leave better off. And we didn't stay for hundreds of years. Hardly a comparison. Yes, they did well, on the backs of others.
I just read a report that stated by 2150 China will still be $23 trillion behind the US.
Australia has still been one of our greatest friends and allies. They were in Viet Nam with me. They are in Iraq. They have always been there with us. I think you for that. It is a debt owed.
I am concerned with the coming elections though. If we elect another moonbat, your going to have to clean out a bedroom for me and the wife.
First of all, I never said we should remove God from anything. I am a
Christian and have Christian beliefs...with that being said, I in no way
think the federal government or anyone else for that matter should have a
right to tell the country who they should worship and try to force feed
that into daily life.
Believe it or not, most religions are monotheistic. They believe in GOD. It may not be the same GOD we believe in but it is GOD. I am not a left-winger...I am not a right-winger either. I believe in bipartisanship. I don't think anything can be done to please anyone when one party is forcing issues one way. It's crazy!
I have had this debate with a collegue of mine who, bless her heart, is under the naive thought that this country was founded on Christianity. Yes, but that's not why they came here. They came here to get away from the people who were trying to enforce a single religeon onto them. They came here to have the freedom to choose. Now, we can banter back and forth on this issue, but nothing will resolve my views or your views on the matter, but now you see where I stand.
If we wanted to REALLY get into it, I could say your people forced Christianity onto my people (American Indians)...but I won't go there.
On another note, MUSLIMS are not your enemies. If you have ever read the Qur'an, you would see it almost directly mirrors our BIBLE (Old Testament). Yes, it does. The names are different, but it is almost directly the same. It's the few misguided individuals who are to blame for terrorism. Do NOT blame the MUSLIMS for the hatred. They are not like that. I have very many Muslim friends. The Qur'an teaches women should be honored. It teaches love and worship. Those misguided few are working from a document that an individual has interpreted as "the word of Allah". IT IS NOT PART OF THE QUR'AN!!!
Hate breeds hate. Don't pass judgement unless you know the facts because in the end, you are no better than the terrorists.
Why can't people hate? We're not allowed to have their own feelings now? As long as you don't act on those feelings, they're not hurting anyone. I'm sorry, but somebody who hates a certain race, but doesn't do anything about it, is NOT to be compared to somebody killing innocent people because they are trying to force their way of life onto them.
My father was half Cherokee, my wife is full blood Osage. Can’t use the Indian thing there guy.
The people who did all those things are dead. I would prefer to live in the now, and learn from those mistakes..
The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” Not peace. There is no controversy about this among Islamic scholars, also the Koran was written almost 100 years after Mohammed’s death. It is nothing like the bible. I have studied it for three years. It teaches, killing, that jews are pigs, and Jesus was not the Son of God. One of my favorite quotes, “Hell is filled with women.”
Submission and peace can be very different concepts, even if a form of peace is often brought about through forcing others into submission.
In truth, the Koran not only calls Muslims to submit to Allah, it also commands them to subdue people of other religions until they are in a full state of submission to Islamic rule. This has inspired the aggressive history of Islam and its success in conquering other cultures.
At the present time, there are forty-four armed conflicts being conducted around the globe. Most of those are Muslims fighting Christians, Buddhists, and Hindus and others for control. These wars are horrible creatures, filled with genocide, political murder, starvation and disease. They include terrorist attacks, armed militias and economic pressures. All designed, with one goal in mind. World domination.
The Koran is filled with statements of when murder is acceptable. They tend to quote a sentence and hide the rest of the meaning. It also promotes slavery, taxes to be paid by those who will not submit, when sex is ok with children, why it is ok to lie to non-believers and of course how to beat your wife properly.. In Islamic courts, a woman’s testimony is only ¼ that of a man. A woman who is raped must have 4 eye witness before she can obtain justice. No witness, then she is outcast as a whore. You should read it, rather then listen to what Muslims tell you. Go to some of their Islamic courts, as I have. See the kind of justice they deal out. In Saudi Arabia, wives are locked up in their homes daily and denied the right to drive a car. There is the 15 year-old girl in Iran who was hung from a crane until dead. Her crime was holding a young man’s hand in a public park. Then there is the mother of four, given the choice of honor killing by her family or becoming the first woman suicide bomber. Her crime was adultery. She chose to be a martyr. Then the father, who killed his three daughters because one of them dated the wrong guy, and then he was praised by the local Imam. Their method of honoring their women amazes me. The Internet is filled with these types of stories. These are not Jihadist, they are just Muslims.
Remember the cartoons, millions of Muslims rushed to the streets demanding the death of those who had defiled Mohammed. You have never seen a demonstration because someone made fun of God. Those millions aren’t just a small group of Jihadist. Chop off someone’s head and hundreds of thousands dance in the streets.
Although, there are a few moderate Muslims, those who voice their opinions, for peace and love, they are immediately shot down by their peers, threatened with death or worse. Make no mistake. Their loyalty lies with Mohammad, not with God, or country, or family. To attack a religion goes against everything Americans stand for. It bothers me to my very core. My feelings have nothing to do with hate. It has everything to do with practical world experience. I will not bury my head in the sand and refuse the facts. We did that with Hilter. I really wish I was wrong.
Hang out on some of the Islamic forums for a little while. Listen to what some of those normal Muslims are saying. Check out CAIR, an organization which is suppose to improve Islamic relations here in America. Their leader has stated in public. “Our goal is to replace the US constitution with Sharia Law.” What does someone have to do, to become your enemy?
When I was in the Nam place as a young man, there was a shop on base where we would go to get a haircut every week. In that shop was a 14 year old boy who shined shoes. He only asked for 15 cents, but we would always give him a dollar. We would laugh and tell jokes with this kid and sometimes he would bring fresh fruit by the hut and we would laugh and talk some more. One night the base was attacked and my buddy and I saw a figure come out of the shadows firing his weapon. We laid the guy out. It turned out to be the little 14 year old kid. I learned a hard lesson that night. You can’t always trust those close to you. As you grow older you will learn that lesson also.
Further discussion, would probably be useless, so I only ask that you open your mind. I really wish I were wrong about all this. It is not easy to make these kind of statements. I would love for people to be able to laugh at that silly old man in a few years, but I am afraid a lot more blood will be spilled before that happens.
You may start you studies here:
Yeah John you are right, the Brits did conquer half the world, but they
also established the rule of law, parliaments and unified peoples (eg
India). Even Mesopotamia was reinvented as Iraq by Winston Churchill in an
effort to control sectarian problems and no doubt help BP get the oil
If it wasn't for the British military spread thinly across that empire and it's focus on India at the time (e.g. Robert Clive), the US wouldn't exist as we know it.:wink2: As it was they had to hire Hessians and train them militarily to act as Poms to fight the Continental army.... that really came back to bite them on the bum 135 years later.:mrgreen:
If you served with Australians, then you know what we are like and taking the piss out of Poms is one of our pastimes.
hooray for the brits, sorry, had to do it!:laughing:
but the oz's have invented some really useful stuff,,,,like Fosters and the rotary washing line!:mrgreen:
Your right Wally,
I agree with everything you say.
I do respect the Brits, but being American, genetics dictate that I question their though processes. I am still mad about them burning down DC. lol
My service with the Aussies, are some of my finest memories. My father was a Marine in WW2. He never lost his respect for the "coast watchers." "Biggest balls in the world", he always said.
Now, if you guys weren't so damn stingy and would just send some of those cool cars over here. :evil:
Does Sonnabend (sic) mean anything to you?
Don't you start trueBrit!:mrgreen: We also invented the differential for cars plus the rack 'n pinion steering you've probably got in your car! And do I have to remind you who really is responsible for the delivery of penicillan and no it wasn't that pommy imposter Fleming. That refrgerator,that keeps those Fosters cool, runs on a refrigeration system invented by an aussie bloke named Harrison (not Carrier like the yanks think). Next time you cut that tiny patch of weeds you poms call a lawn, think about who came up with the rotary mower. So without us you wouldn't have the basic pleasures in life: drinking cold beer, driving a car, mowing the lawn to escape the missus' endless whining and antiibiotics to fix that severed toe you cut with the lawn mower while pissed on lager.
and you wouldnt be where your sitting! ha, beat that!:laughing:
You guys owe me True_Brit. When you invaded us in 1812, against the UN sanctions, I might add. You guys killed my horse and burned down my brand new wagon. You know, the one with the spoke wheels.
oh that one, our red coats looked nice though didnt they?:laughing: :wink2:
[QUOTE=Wally].........think about who came up with the rotary
what this? click here (http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bllawns.htm)
That's a POS reel mower, not the rotary. Reels are OK for lawn bowls, but they jam up on normal lawns, especially when the remains of the mother in law start surfacing. With the rotary those pesky bits get flung over the fence.
oh, i thought it was the same!!! its 1 in the morning and im getting in the state of ________ (fill the blank)
Well it was you guys who picked a fight with the Brits in the first place wasn't it? They thought they could grab Canada while Britain was busy saving Europe from those pesky French. As I recall from my history lessons, all but the New England citizens actually thought they had a chance. If England didn't already own most of the South and have substantial financial holdings in the North's industrial and banking sectors it might have actually put some effort into giving the colonials a good hiding for the impudence... isn't that right TrueBrit:wink2:
...I can't think of anything else, especially since this is the U.S.
Presidential Thread lol.
Seriously though, what is it?
Laaame =P :laughing:
No It was that damn king charging us 12 cents tax on a cup of 2 cent tea.
I remember it like it was yesterday. I had to take out a three year loan
to pay off the $1.65, I spent on powder and shot. And we didn't want
Canada. We were just trying to expand freedom.
God, I turning into a post ho!
I thought you were talking 1812? In 1776 you would have only been a teenager.
you old bastards..... Is there a certain age you reach where "I was only a boy in th 1400's" jokes never get tired? :doh: :laughing:
Here's a picture of me when I still had my boyish good looks, back in 1851.
The outback can play havoc on the complexion.
With age, comes the wisdom to make up all this crap. You day will come, in
about 30 years.:laughing:
Wally, I was talking about 1812. Your the one, who questioned, what started it.
How the heck do you do that multiple quote stuff? Dang, I can overhaul a space shuttle, but I can't quote multiple posts. WWWAAAAAKKKK!!!!
My knowledge of the US history might be a little hazy, but I thought the 1812 war was started by you guys in retaliation to Britain blockading supply to Napolean and press ganging Yanky sailors. Some bright spark in the US decided it was a good time to expand the borders into Canada..... did you know him? Usual result, the US got a bloody nose, said to themselves "bugger this" and called it quits.:mrgreen:
but the americans didnt say "bugger" at that time, more like "darn it"!:laughing:
Nope, nope,nope, I don't know where you got your info, but we had a few
Indian friends that was havin some problems with some guys who spoke that
poly vous stuff. Seems they was killing all the beavers., and the Indians
was going hungry. So they asked us to come up and mediate. While we was
gone, them sneeky brits came by and burned down DC. WE caught up with them
at Boston though and blistered some British butt. Haven't had any more
trouble with em since. We just kind of made em our bitch, if you know what
I mean. They sent a big boy over about 6 months later, apologizing their
ass off. We told em, "Aw, thats alright"
(Typing in the dark until these damn 6 tornado's go by)
hahah yeah right, you might wanna recheck your books, canadians have proven themsleves in many many many many battles, chuck your garbage histroy books and read something published by intelligent people. and an Indian is someone from india you cock jaws:banghead:
And just what does that have to do with the US Presidential nominations Banff.?:wink2:
Lighten up kid. Never let real facts stand in the way of good story
telling. I don't think Canada was ever put down in anything I wrote.
You know what they say, if you can't take a joke. Now go away while the rest of us enjoy our historical in-accuracies.
I see in your profile, you enjoy a little anal, so why don't you go find some guy to help you out, while we get back to our story telling.
your absolutely right, now that i reread it seems like you were only being a slight ignorant bigot, "WE KINDA MADE THEM OUR BITCH" & the term "INDIANS" shows how much of an ignorant redneck loser you really are, carry on carry on.
Canada.... I don't know much about Canada, but friends and family who have
been there say it's a wonderful place......except for the French.:mrgreen:
We were taught at school that a bloke called Wolfe climbed a hill with a bunch of Jocks out front and gave the Frenchies a hiding, before taking Quebec for the Poms.
I've officially changed my mind on my vote. I've never laughed so hard in
Vote Al Goldstein, 2008. His Slogan? "Support Al, he likes it on top".
Ok let me explain this.
"WE KINDA MADE THEM OUR BITCH" was talking about the British we beat at Boston, who had just burnt down Washington DC, not Canadians. I never said anything about fighting with Canadians. I used the term mediate.
As for Indians, I am an INDIAN. My tribe is Cherokee/Osage. You my dear friend can take that Native American politically correct Bullshit and stick it up your ass. We have been known as Indians for five hundred years. We were never Native Americans. My tribe would appreciate it, if you would address us with the proper term from now on. Indians. Using that NA stuff around us will get your a$$ kicked. Thank you very much. When you use N-A, you blot out 500 hundred years of proud history. History written in books and in treaties. History of our wars and people who died. We don't want our children to ask -- who Indians were. Much has been taken from us, now you want our name also, just so you can feel good. Don't do it.
Being politically correct is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.
If Saturday Night live can perform comedy, then Wally and I can also.
We now return you to the CF Comedy Special.
Call it a hunch, but he doesn't stand a chance lol.
Jcutsh to become president of the US you need some big wampum and fork tongue, yes?
Everyone, says It will take $200 million to win the election. When you
have an economy based on trillions of dollars, it is hard for the normal
person to imagine how little money that really is. It is money that comes
from the top and goes right back to the little people. It creates all kinds
of jobs and benefits lots of Americans. It is one of the few industries we
have where that money stays in the US. I think the same is true, down
The Internet has changed the way we perceive and interact with politics and politicians. If you make a stupid mistake or down right lie today, a million people are researching in just a few minutes. It killed John Kerry, thank God. Thousands of people came forward and destroyed his chances, without even leaving there living room. If your going to speak with forked tongue today, you had better have set the ground work years ago.
No he doesn't, but he still makes me giggle. I love crazy old men...like Ross Perot.
I resemble that remark.