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Well many of you don't think of me as a very political person but I m
actually quite interested in polotics. This is the first year i can vote
but i dont know who. My favorite so far is Obama but he has no experience
with foriegn affairs. Edwards is a flip flopper, Hillary ohhh.. Hillary she
is the biggest piece of shi* in this entire election, she's an anti semetic
communist uhhhhhh I'll cut myself off there. McCain is trying to give
rights to all the illeagal aliens and huckabe is a prick. Guliani is
alright. I live in California currently so my vote doesn't matter, It won't
even be close (Clinton). but i want to pick the right canidate who should I
vote for?
slurm6969
Sorry to say but this thread should probably be locked.
99integra
Hilary is not a communist.
jedimario
You couldn't be more off on most of those.
Edwards is far more to the left than Hillary. Obama doesn't have
experience, but neither does Hillary. McCain might as well be running for
the democratic party, but he has a couple of good things going for him.
Huckabee is pretty much just as bad. Giuliani has nothing going for him
besides 9/11 and that 1 page tax form that he carries around everywhere,
and he's a little controversial on both the issues and his secret trips.
Ron Paul's foreign policies are a bit out of touch with most
conservatives--but he is a Constitutionalist, and I love that. Romney is a
flip-flopper, but most of his policies are in check.
All of the great candidates are gone. As of 2 weeks ago, I would have been
willing to vote for Fred Thompson or Duncan Hunter, maybe even Alan
Keyes--he's pretty crazy, but he had some very good stances (especially for
the educational system), and he did have support from Reagan. Hell, I would
support Richardson before any of the remaining candidates.
I guess my top choice is Romney at this point, but that's like picking for
the lesser of the evils. It doesn't really matter though, since I'm in
Canada.
The idea of this type of thread is okay, but you went at it completely
wrong.
chris_knows
I am going to offer up proof that she is a communist, I give you her own
words:
“We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common
good.”
“It’s time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by
the
few, and for the few…… And to replace it with shared responsibility for
shared prosperity.”
“(We) …can’t just let business as usual go on, and that means something
has to be taken away from some people.”
“We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give
up
a little bit of their own … in order to create this common ground.”
“I certainly think the free-market has failed.”
“I think it’s time to send a clear message to what has become the most
profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched.”
That is truly scary stuff right there. Just look at those quotes about
taking things away from people for the common good. What kind of government
is she proposing when she talks about the free market as a failure, and
talks about the government watching the entities that dare to make a profit
off of whatever product they are selling?
Here is definition one of communism:
a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all
property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a
whole or to the state.
Taking away from one for the common good. The common good is more
important than the rights of the individual, this is fundamentally the
opposite of the principles this country was founded on.
Definition two of communism:
a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity
is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and
self-perpetuating political party.
The free market has failed, and the government is watching private
business profits quotes by Hillary take on another meaning once you realize
that government interference in private business is another plank in the
communist platform.
Some would argue that these are not communist viewpoints, they would argue
that these are socialist viewpoints. To those who offer that argument, I
will offer you this, it is from Marxist theory, and is a definition of
socialism.
The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and
communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the
dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.
Think about it. We are about to head in to the most critical election in
many years, perhaps decades, and people need to decide if they want someone
who has Hillary’s beliefs running the country. I don’t think we do.
If you think American workers have the right to keep what they earn, just
say no to Hillary. If you think American business owners have a right to
keep profits they make in their private businesses, just say no to Hillary.
If you don’t, you are already lost. Congratulations on living off of the
backs of hard working American citizens who are forced to give up our
earnings to support your lazy asses instead of our own families.
slurm6969
come on chris Romney?
He dodged the draft
he's constantly flip flopping on gun control not to mention he told the
voters of New Hampshire he was a life long hunter when in reality he has
only gone hunting twice in 60 years.
He tricked voters with his pro life stance when he ran for senate in 94
promising to keep abortions legal but in 2002 as a candidate for governor,
Romney said he would not change the state’s abortion laws. He is now
running on a pro-life platform. As his top political strategist said in
2005, ”He’s been a pro-life Mormon faking it as a pro-choice friendly.
He opposes stem cell research
He abuses animals: While moving driving his family from Ontario to Boston
in 1983, Romney strapped the family dog to the top of their car for the
entire drive. WTF?
slurm6969
Government Types 101
Communism (http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=communism)
Socialism
(http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=socialism&o2=&o0=1&o7=&o5=&o1=1&
o6=&o4=&o3=&h=00)
Read. Learn. Apply.
By the way, I think that socialism is much, much worse than communism, and
I dislike Hilary just as much, if not more, than you.
jedimario
I haven't heard Hillary say any of those things...Can you cite them? Also,
socialism is just as bad as communism, I doubt anybody will want either
one.
Who would you support over Romney? He has flip flopped on most things, and
lied a couple of times, yes, but his policies now are okay. He wouldn't be
my number one pick for sure, but he's alright.
I oppose stem cell research too. I support cord-blood stem cell research,
which is a little more limited, but it looks like that debate is over
because scientists recently found how to get stem cells without using a
dead fetus.
That dog thing is pretty weird, but you're not voting for a vet, you're
voting for a commander in chief.
Honestly, slurm, I had you down as a tin-foil Ron Paul fanatic, but I
remember that you support the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan, so I guess that's
out for you.
California's primaries are on Super-Tuesday, right? I'm assuming you're
already registered (as a republican)?
chris_knows
The big difference is that communism would actually work very well if
people were good-natured. Socialism is never a good system.
jedimario
Can't stand Ron Paul he's insane, I'm actually not a big supporter of the
war, but I do however support are troops. Yes I'm a registered republican.
I'm not thrilled about voting for any republican right now I just might not
vote or I'll vote for Guliani.
slurm6969
Yeah, communism would be great if everyone worked hard, did their part, and
took only what they need, but don't forget it also crushes certain freedoms
(religion, speech, you don't choose what you want the government to do),
etc.
Either way though, that's not possible, especially on such a large scale.
chris_knows
I don't even know where you pulled that out of...communism isn't even
really a government type. It's any system where private ownership is
abolished and a collective ownership is established. It doesn't have
anything to do with religion or speech. And true communism would still be
democratic, everyone would own the government.
jedimario
History shows us that that's not how it works though. That utopia relies on
the goodness of people, and maybe if it were a country of only like-minded
people who did not need to be held accountable for what they get done.
Leaders will often try to abolish the Constitution to remain in power for
as long as possible, and then they just try to stuff their pockets with as
much money as they can. Communism can work in smaller scales, like group
project, but for a whole country, the system falls apart.
chris_knows
Your comments clearly state that you have never lived under or experienced
communism, socialism, etc, in any way. In this country, you have a freedom
of speech and you have the right to advocate whoever you want. You can
support Hillary all you want; however, communism is not a good system and
it would NEVER work. Do not ever put communism and democracy in the same
sentence. In communism, everyone is equal, everyone has equal amounts of
everything, and yet everyone has nothing. History shows this multiple
times. Everyone would not own the government. The government would
indirectly own everyone. Why do you think people (Russia after collapse of
the Soviet Union) generally want to steer away from communism?
Now, back to the question on hand. Living in Pennsylvania, it doesn't
really matter who you vote for because by then it's really over. Out of the
democrats, I like Obama most. Hillary's views (ie: universal healthcare,
etc) are not bright ideas for the country. Also, let's face it. If she
wasn't the first woman running and/or the wife of a good two-time
president, would she even have a shot? Obama is missing some experience,
but he's the best out of the democrats. However, I can see only Hillary
winning in the primary's.
Out of the republicans, I like McCain most. He stands for what he believes
in (ie: refusal to take Kerry's offer to become his VP because he does not
want to switch parties). I also think he has what it takes to run this
country. Of course, no single member is perfect. I would choose McCain
overall with Obama as a second choice.
Nissan_Altima
Good grief...go read the rest of my posts in this thread. The reason
communism hasn't worked is because it requires inherently good people to be
successful. People are inherently bad, so it doesn't work. In theory,
it's a great idea, and would be very successful with the right people.
However, getting enough of the right people together to make an entire
country is essentially impossible.
I understand that communism does not succeed in this world, but the idea
behind it is good.
jedimario
I wont even bother voting, it doesnt matter who you pick youre gona get
****ed anyway. I havent really done any reading on the current candidates,
but the general word among my friends is that Obama is only getting all of
his fame and publicity because hes black, other than that I have no clue on
the government parties at this time
newyorker
wow, now that made sense:screwy:
dvdrose18
Can I vote for Carmen Electra? lol
chris_knows
Just one question. After reading this post...who is dumber, you or your
friends?
Nissan_Altima
Wow dude. I love how all of your recent posts are just calling me mout on
shit..why dont you get a life...or a girlfriend...or a car..stop wasting
your time and mine, thanks.
And I DO believe that obama is only getting so much fame beause hes
black..yes he might be as good a candidate as the others, but a lot of
people are going to vote for him for all the wrong reasons, because they
are black and proud to be black and hate white people and think we are all
biggots and they want a black man in the white house, this isnt everyone,
but probbably a good 40% of the scum that lives in the states who just
happen to be black will probbably vote for him for those reasons alone
take a look at john street, the mother****er who didnt get absolute shit
done, yet he got reelected..you know why?? because of black people, they
dont care if hes any good, they only care about the skintone
newyorker
Wow I think we have just opened up a can of worms here:ohcrap:
fudge
Obama has charisma. If you don't remember (or know), about a year ago, he
was polling pretty low, but then he started talking about change. It's his
whole image as a youthful, typical person that attracts people to him. I
don't think that it's because he's getting a lot of black votes,
either...He won in Iowa, where only 2% of the voters are black lol.
What about Alan Keyes on the republican side? He is black, and was never
even able to really get his campaign off the ground. Obama is just plain
likeable; tell me one other presidential candidate that you would rather be
friends with.
chris_knows
That's funny. The person that NEVER had a girlfriend he had to make up is
telling me to get one. In the last 3 years, you have personally seen me go
out with 2 different girls while I have yet to see you with one. This
doesn't even include others you don't know or ones I met in college. Keep
making up stories about broken condoms and STD's; no one with two brain
cells believes you.
But let's be on topic here. This isn't about me and you. If you weren't on
the brink of legal retardation, you'd understand a few things:
1) In general, African American people do NOT support Obama because of his
skin color. That's because he is, in NO WAY, one of them. He is not just a
black American, he is the son of white mother and Kenyan father. Therefore,
his only support from the black people comes from his support by Ophrah
Winfrey.
2) He won the primary in Iowa. I'm sure that's filled with black people.
3) As shown above, you clearly have zero knowledge of what he, or anyone
else, stands for. He advocates change and has some positive thoughts for
this country. If you don't know, don't speak.
4) John Street's win in Philadelphia is completely different from a
presidential election. Don't compare apples to oranges. On the same note,
Street is not the current mayor in Philadelphia....Michael Nutter is.
Enjoy the tapdance and have a great day.
Nissan_Altima
HAHAHAHA oh man. Made up stories, you are a funny kid..and maybe the reason
that you dont see me with girls is because we go to real places, not corny
theaters and we dont make smoking hooka a weekly scheduled activity.
1. For the record, they are black, most are NOT african american..the
d-bags that were born here and still think they are "african american" are
roaches that we should have stepped on a long time ago. But besides that,
you dont speak for the blacks of this country so dont try to make it look
that way.
2. Iowa is one of 50 states in this country, that figure really doesn't
impress me.
3. Im not doubting that he is a worthy candidate, Im just saying that
majority of blacks will vote for him not because of his plans, but because
of his skintone...as long as he is in some shape or form black, these
idiots will vote for him because he is a "brotha that knows the hard life
of a black man"
4. That is true, and I hope that Nutter does some good here, and its nice
to have someone in our system that actually speaks properly, and that
happens to be one thing I like about Obama, he doesnt sound like a douche
when he talks.
Thank you, I did have a great day.
newyorker
Umm, I'm betting Huckabee is about as "black" as Obama. Obama was born to
a Harvard Alumni and the only president of the Confederate states
(Jefferson Davis). He was well off, and grew up in Hawaii, not the
projects. He attended Harvard himself.
The Iowa statistic should impress you. You more or less stated that Obama
is only popular because the black people are voting for a black guy. Well,
he won in a state where only 2% of voters are black. Winning an entire
state is no easy task at all, and it doesn't come from luck. So if he
wasn't lucky, and he didn't get a boost from the black voters...
giant016
I said nothing about Iowa in my argument except for that its only one state
and I believe that he won with only 56% of the votes. Maybe he will be
good, maybe not, from what I have seen so far he displays a very convincing
and promising campaign, only time will tell. I have yet to do my reading on
the different candidates so I cant really say who I favor now.
newyorker
Blacks make up just 12% of the population in the U.S. The republicans had a
strategy where they would pander just to the white vote, because the blacks
make up such a small group (look up the Southern Strategy).
I'm sure Obama gets a couple of people who just vote for him because of his
skin color, but what about Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson? They both ran for
president, and (clearly) didn't do too well.
Obama just won South Carolina too...57% Obama to 27% Clinton.
I'm actually starting to warm up to Hillary. Bill Clinton was a good
president, and did many good things, and let's face it...Hillary's going to
handle a lot of stuff like Bill. I just don't like that he cut down the
military drastically, which might have been okay during his presidency, but
things have changed. There were also quite a few controversies...
chris_knows
Both of you, STOP immediately!!! You are actually talking facts and making
sense. What's wrong with you? Just spew some b/s out of your asses instead!
:laughing:
Nissan_Altima
Has anyone stopped to think about how wierd it is that our crazy canuck
companion is so interested in US politics? :laughing:
jedimario
Wouldn't that be mathew?
Nissan_Altima
I'm from Canada too, eh :mrgreen:.
I dunno why I pay attention pretty much only to U.S. politics, but it might
be because I'm like 3 miles from the U.S., and get mostly U.S. TV channels.
I've tried watching the Canadian news, and it's either too biased or too
boring lol.
chris_knows
We're all sort of interested in US politics as it kinda has an effect on
the whole world.
Well duh, they have African roots:screwy: And I suppose I'm not asian
because I was born in Europe:banghead:
fudge
Well if they are african american and not black then im not white, im a
ukranian american...they are black, what the **** is so hard to understand,
they seem to always bitch about it.
newyorker
Wait, wait...I'm confused by these comments.
Are you saying that in order to be "black" you have to be poor, uneducated,
and grow up in the projects? And because he attended Harvard...he's
DEFINITELY not black? Maybe I'm reading your comments wrong but this is
what I gathered from your post. Can you explain?
What's the difference between being "black" and being "african american"?
I thought black people were people of African descent. Well...maybe I'm
wrong. So what am I? When I fill out forms that ask my race I circle
"black". African American isn't offered as a second option.
So....
Am I a roach? Scum? Uneducated? D-bag? Should I step on myself?
Diet Freak
Black is a skintone like white (caucasian), etc.
African American is just a BS line a lot of blacks use because they say
that calling them black is being racist..
I just dont think its fair man, I have all kinds of friends, European,
Mexican, Black (some are african american because they were actually born
in africa), and I love them all alike, its just the few idiots that demand
a special name because of their skintone, yet they call white people
"crackers, whities, white boys" and nothing happens to them, but if I say
"negro" to them (even though its a dictionary term) I instantly become a
biggot in the eyes of society
newyorker
I thought America was supposed to be a melting pot. Doesn't that mean that
before anything else, you are an American. It doesn't matter what your skin
color is, you have the same opportunities as the guy next to you. That
doesn't mean that color should be ignored; diversity is important, but
there's no such thing as African-American, Asian-American,
Australian-American, Native-American. You might have been born in another
country, and you can still keep your country, but you're an American.
Also, Diet Freak, I'm not trying to be racist, but I just wanna know, do
you prefer to be called African American, or black? Because I've heard it
go two ways; either it's offensive and not true, or it's got history behind
it and by changing it, you might as well forget everything that has
happened.
chris_knows
You also describe them as scum and roach. On them parts alone you are a
biggot:thumbs:
fudge
Or why not do the sensible thing and combine the two together to get
African American, Asian American etc? In fact this is how its done in the
real world.
fudge
I sounds like you're ASSUMING alot. It also sounds like you have issues
against other races. I'm not trying to pull the race card, but when you
start describing black people as a whole in terms of...
I mean, that's some offensive shit right there. People aren't "roaches".
And I was born here and I still think that I'm African American, so are you
talking to about me? But maybe I'm not a d-bag so I might get a pass from
you. Either way, I doubt you have black friends. You can't say "f*ck
those black people!" then turn to your "black" friends and say..."not you
though". Stop focusing on race.
I, a BLACK PERSON, do not care about being called negro, black, African
American...whatever. By the way, what do you think is the difference
between African American and black? I was taught that I was both African
American and black. Just like some of you are white/caucasian.
I personally don't care what you call me...and to make it even more
complicated, I don't know which phrase would offend most black people. I
think it's more of how you say it then what you say. Also, there are the
ignorant motherf*ckas that'll f*ck with you for calling them black/African
American because you look weak. These people are LOOKING for trouble.
These people exist in ALL races...
In reality, none of these descriptions should offend black people (aside
from nigger) so don't be afraid to confidently describe a black person as
African American or black. Out of the two, I'd say you'll be safer saying
"black" for casual conversation because saying African American appears
like you've thought about it too hard.
------------------------------------------
As far as who I'm voting for...
Obama.
I don't like the dirty-ish campaign Hilary is running. Obama seems to be
the most focused candidate of the bunch. During the few debates that I've
seen, Obama focused more on answering the questions or defending himself
rather than attacking the other candidates. I never considered Edwards,
that's like a wasted vote in my mind. But besides, I like Obama more than
him.
Voting for him "because he's black" seems like such an underground sabotage
ploy released by his competitors. Because really, how can he defend that?
How can his black voters defend that? We can't, and I don't. I tell most
people that I'm voting for Obama because he's black. It's fun to do. They
get pissed.
Of course we black people realise that he is black. But I wouldn't vote
for every black candidate. Be realistic. This guy just happens to be a
good black candidate. Him being black does help his polls amongst
blacks...we can't ignore that reality. But really, doesn't him being
democrat help his polls amongst...DEMOCRATS? This might sound ridiculous
but a SHITLOAD of voters only vote for Democrat or Republican because the
voter is a Democrat or Republican. A good bit of voters have no idea what
each candidate's campaign is. But whatever.
SABOTAGE. That's my conspiracy. Just like the attack on Obama because of
his "inexperience". Do any of these candidates have Presidential
experience?
Diet Freak
:clap: :clap: :clap:
fudge
It doesn't make a significant difference, but it's a unity thing. Just
because I was born in Bulgaria doesn't make me a Bulgarian-Canadian; I live
in Canada, so I'm a Canadian. I guess it comes down to your opinion; it's a
little like whether you use the metric system or imperial...Kinda.
chris_knows
now you can suck a fat dick pal. That first quote of mine that you used, it
wasnt what I said word for word, so dont try to make me look like a racist
****.
(black people are) the d-bags that were born here and still think they are
"african american" are roaches that we should have stepped on a long time
ago.
was actually
the d-bags that were born here and still think they are "african american"
are roaches that we should have stepped on a long time ago.
nice try scumbag, but maybe if you read, you would see that I said its only
some of them, not all..now im not sure what group you fall into, although
you had my better judgement at first.
newyorker
I was hoping you could learn a thing or 2 from his post.
fudge
Notice how "black people" are in ( ).
Here is your full quote.
I summarized what appeared to be you describing "black people". It
appeared to me that you were saying "black people aren't African Americans,
they are roaches who only THINK they are African Americans because they
were born here...they should have BEEN stepped on". That's what I
gathered. But you tell me I'm wrong so I guess I am.
Still, it is not wise for you to criticize people while describing the
group they belong to. You will only initiate chaos and infuriate people.
This is a suggestion, not a warning.
You should test your controversial criticisms of people by making a comment
around a bunch a gay people like..."I hate these damn flamboyant
faggots...not all of you gay people, just THEM." See how they goes over
with the crowd.
Diet Freak
What I meant was that they wrongfully demand special rights and privilages
and if they are not given to them they say "why..because we are african
american?? we just want to be treated fairly!!" its like they use their
race as a scapegoat to every bad thing that happens to them, and they are
not all idiots like this, Im sure you arent that way either, at least
juding by the way you type not BeInGg Lyke Diz
Example:
Normal black person: "I was hit by a drunk driver and he drove off, please
find him so I can press charges"
the roaches I speak of: "I was hit by a drunk driver and he drove off, he
did it because I was black. Its time for us as a community to stand up and
fight!! Find him so we can press charges and have him get put in jail for
being a biggot......"
you get the idea, I just cant stand how some of these people think they
deserve to be treated better just because of their skin, and I dont know
why we even keep them in this country.
newyorker
Its more or less the ones that cant go about their lives without having to
shout about themselves being black...i know black professors, businessmen,
lawyers, etc. and then there are the thuggish d-bags that give the whole
black community a bad name..well these thuggish d-bags are the ones that I
called roaches.
Its understandable that blacks want to be treated fairly, I know they had
hardships and so on, but when idiots do a 5 person drive-by and then want
their rights because they think they are being targeted for murder just
because of their race, its a bit rediculous.
Im sure you understand what I mean, I think I made it more clear.
newyorker
I understand, especially working in London. You've all no doubt heard about
all the gang violence etc throughout the UK at the moment. Lets try not to
make this a race orientated thread though guys.
Cliffy
I just wanna point some things out:
1) It's "bigot", NOT "biggot".
2) Cliffy/Bav/TBaxleyjr don't delete this thread yet...this seems like the
healthiest discussion that we have had on a sensitive issue ever. Let's
just hope it stays that way.
Carry on.
chris_knows
Yes its an individual issue, but most of these issues come from..guess
who..black people. Majority race in prisons?? you guessed it!! Yea I get
where you are coming from as well, but dont expect me to change my mind
about something just to please you. Politics and race happen to be 2 very
sensitive areas in the world today, you cant expect to argue about one or
the other without having some confrontation, and just because someone
doesnt agree with you doenst mean you have to throw a shit fit.
I have my own opinions, you have yours, and thats that.
Speaking of jewish people, we survived the holocaust and not once have I
heard from my grandma, or her "Survivors of the Holohaust" foundation, that
someone asked for special privilages. Germany is giving jews money because
they want to, not because we demanded it.
Women have their way of whining as well, they think they should be treated
better just because they are women, and the whole femenist movement is
really stupid. I have more respect for women than men anyway because they
work, and do things that men dont usually do (laundry, cooking, cleaning
etc.) so in my book, women are supperior to men, and dont forget the fact
that women are the ones that bring us into the world. Again, you want to be
treated equally, act the part, dont prance around picketing and putting
bumper stickers on your car to let everyone know.
Old people get pensions, food stamps, and mass transport passes because
they government is generous enough to fund the programs that make it
possible, not becuase old people bitch about it.
This is generally a free country, and while I think that some people take
things out of proportion with these implied freedoms, I have the right to
have my own opinions and speak them, its just that I know where I can say
something, and where I cant. This is an internet discussion, I'm sure if I
said some of these things in our local projects, I wouldnt be home that
night, so I keep it to myself. You have your opinions, I respect that, just
dont throw a sissy fit when someone doesnt agree with you about something
beause guess what, its life, you wont always get what you want, the sooner
you get used to it the better, so dont expect me to sit here and kiss your
ass just because it will make you happy.
newyorker
And by the way I have a feeling that "Diet-Freak" and "Diet Freak" is "I
love what"
newyorker
I won't be closing/deleting this thread. However, as with most things that
happen at CF, it's quickly turning into yet another flame war. It's easy to
stereotype communities, but that's not how we should be acting. I'll admit
that I havn't read this thread thoroughly as I have more pressing things to
worry about than US polotics, but if the current argument is going the way
I see it is, we really need to pull our heads out.
I'll be honest, I stereotype people, and although not the rigfht thing to
do, I find it's usually with good reason. A certain amount of "instinct" is
involved and my initial thoughts about them are usually confirmed by the
way they act. In the UK it's usually the "Hoodies" that are the subject of
stereotyping, and 9/10 times they are being anti-social and often
participating in illegal activities.
Cliffy
Well Im all ears if you would like to explain it to me, maybe then I will
realize I am wrong about some things.
I dont associate myself with that particular breed of people, black, white,
whoever they may be, but it just happens to be the stereotype that the
media puts into the people's eyes, so its a general idea.
And about the whole not recieving reperations, the jews that are recieving
them are the generation that were effected by Nazi germany, my grandma and
the members of her organization being that generation. My dad will not
recieve these benefits once my grandmother passes away. On that note, how
long ago was slavery..1800s right?? Well why should blacks recieve benefits
for something that happened to their ancestors so long ago, something they
didnt have to live through..I dont understand.
Yes there was segregation, and a LOT of discrimination in the mid 1900s,
some even happens now on a small scale, but comparing segregation to mass
murder when you want to get reperations doesnt equal out in my head.
And since you are black, maybe you can explain this to me, cause Ive
wondered about it for some time. Lots of colleges have clubs and groups
known as the "black student union", where blacks and african americans get
together and do activities and study the history of Africa, the Negro
people, clean up neighborhoods, etc.etc.etc. which is all very good.
However, if a white student went to start a "White Student Union", it would
never get approved, I believe there was even a huge debate on this at
Boston University that made the news. Why is this so?? Why can there be a
Black Student Union, but a White Student Union wouldnt be allowed..
newyorker
Is there a Women Student Union? White males can't form groups like that,
but they are generally higher paid than women and blacks, and it's easier
for them to get the job.
chris_knows
There isnt but im sure it will come around one day..there may be a femenist
club at my college that im not aware of..and as far as jobs, as long as you
have a good education and a clean record, it doenst matter if you are a
man, woman, black, white, latino, whatever, your chances are all equal.
However I didnt say anything about jobs
newyorker
I go for Obama. He has a great plan for us in the future. I hope.
zuzi
Instead of making a new thread about something that's gonna result in a
very short discussion, what did everyone think of Bush's final State of the
Union Address?
chris_knows
Actually in my field you are much MUCH better off being a minority to get a
job. In the Engineering seminars I've been to, they make it a point to
tell you that if you're a member of the Women's Association of Engineers or
the Black Students Association of Engineers.
And just an observation that I've recently made and have not been able to
bring it up yet:
I go to a community college in an urban area. About half of the student
body is comprised of blacks/hispanics. In my lower level classes this
ratio was observed all the time. Now that I'm taking upper lever classes,
guess how many blacks/hispanics are in any of my classes? None, not a
single one. I have two Ukrainians in most of my classes (for measure).
giant016
I can say the same about my school but with these suburban white boys who
think they are black, and emo kids too, they were in all my basic classes,
now none of them have made it past that, and I am among normal people. I
wish we had a more diverse school though, it feels way too stereotype
suburban on campus, especially when it comes time to leave and every slut
from class is getting into her new birthday present in form of a new
car.
But back to what you said, I kinda noticed the same thing in high school
when I was taking some classes, and it was generally the same people
passing, and the same ones failing..its not that they are lazy or stupid,
it seems like the whole rap media (which is huge right now so go figure) is
giving people the idea that you can just **** and smoke and youll be set
for life...i duno its a big area for discussion, I dont have time for it
now
I dont think I am a racist, nor do I really discriminate anyone, at least
noone has said anything to me about it yet so I am assuming all is well,
but I just make my statements from the things that I see and saw during
school and work and my life growing up here in the states, granted it may
be far from the real picture. Im more of a realist, through the city of
philadelphia lol
newyorker
I'm not going to go blaming the media or the culture. If you believe that
you'll be better off smoking your life away, you were screwed before the
media ever got to you.
As far as racist, I think it depends on how you define the term. I believe
that as a whole, there is a difference in races...good or bad. I consider
people that say the only difference is skin color to be the ignorant ones.
If people can be physically different because of their race, why can't they
be mentally different a well? I'm not saying dumb or smart, just different
in the way they act or their tendencies. Although I believe as a whole
many stereotypes are correct (there's not some random guy pulling them out
of a hat, they were influenced by something) I would never judge a person
on that. Not because I believe the stereotypes are (as a whole) incorrect,
but because it's just not fair.
If racist means that you think the differences are more than skin deep, I
guess I'm a racist.
giant016
Just if anyone was curious I ended up voting for Romney.(sorry Chris you
ended up being right in the end) Mccain is an idiot who even admits he
knows nothing about the economy.
Who did everyone else vote for?
slurm6969
Juan McCain is gonna take the most delegates...A lot of the people that
would vote for Romney are voting for Huckabee, so his votes are pretty much
split in half.
Did anybody hear what Ann Coulter said? If it's between McCain and Clinton,
she'd actually campaign for Hillary lol.
I'm interested in how the other members voted too though (and who took the
time to vote).
chris_knows
McCain. Yeah, he leans to the left a lot of a Rep, but I'd like to see
somebody that is willing to work with the other side.
giant016
Romney, not that my vote means anything in NJ but, hey, if i have the right
might as well use it
dvdrose18
