Got my new Camera

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So I got a nice deal on a Canon Rebel 400D (Rebel XTi) with a kit lens, and got it yesterday. Of course I was so excited I went downtown with a friend of mine at midnight and took pictures. Here are some samples, mine and his. He is using a Nikon D50 with some non-kit lens.

Mine:
1. The night started off semi-well with me setting my ISO to 1600...noob move, pictures ruined.
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/922/img0048ny1.jpg
2. Then I proceeded to run through the White Balance menu and **** something up, pictures ruined.
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/733/img0071qg1.jpg
3. Finally at 2am I got his tripod and made things right. Here is my shot of the night, first day with the camera.
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/2055/img0079gh8.jpg



His: He only uploaded 2 so far, and said they were distorted, but here goes anyway.
1.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/LBCsublime9/DSC_0250.jpg
2.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/LBCsublime9/DSC_0253.jpg


To be honest, first day with a full manual, I had a hard time balancing WB, ISO, F.stop, and Apperature to get my shit right, any pointers?? How do you like the shots??

posted by  newyorker

The first 2 don't look special, but the third one looks cool. How long was your shutter speed for it?

Your friend's second picture looks cool. The first one looks a bit "distorted".

posted by  chris_knows

Last one had a shutter speed of 25 seconds
edit: ISO was 100
F.stop was 5.6

zoom at ~24mm
Focus all the way out

posted by  newyorker

all of the pics look good.

it takes time and practice to learn to handle a manual.

posted by  tbaxleyjr

Should've figured all taht stuff out on an easier camera, good luck :banghead:

posted by  jedimario

Its actually easier to figure out on this one, i am still kinda new though.

posted by  newyorker

Uh, no, it's not.

posted by  jedimario

I smell napalm from a flame war coming:pop:

posted by  Spanky2324

uh, yes it is, dont talk like youre the jedi of canon.

posted by  newyorker

Nice shots...Good luck with the camera!

posted by  JPolito830

There's some nice wit, please, grace us with another statement from the bowels of your infinite wisdom.

posted by  jedimario

have either of you learned on both? I doubt it, since once you've learned, it's kinda hard to learn again.

I suspect that unless one (or both) of you is a photography instructor, then you're only qualified to say "I THINK that it's easier to learn on ....."

Saying "It's easier on this one" .... "no, it's not".... "yes it is" as though it is a hard and fast rule just makes you both look ignorant and well, let's face it, a little unintelligent.

posted by  windsonian

What makes it easier is that the quality is better so you dont have to fiddle with as many options. Plus on the old camera to get to the ISO, and everything else is hidden away in different menus. Here its all at hand and quicker and easier to work with. Focus is manual, unlike the other camera where it is controlled by a button, same with zoom, etc. Its a better and easier camera

posted by  newyorker

I don't have personal experience, but I'm really just trying to piss newyorker off. Although I do have friends with the more expensive equipment and I know it would have taken me much longer to learn the basics on one of those than my current camera.

posted by  jedimario

you might find button focus harder.... doesn't mean others will.

You're still passing off your opinion as fact. .... or trying to.

posted by  windsonian

With my camera, I just point and shoot. Focus is automatic.

posted by  chris_knows

Funny cause im just sitting here laughing at how you argue like a 6 year old.




Here are 4 more.

http://photos-751.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v241/174/105/332600751/n33 2600751_223699_7836.jpg

http://photos-751.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v241/174/105/332600751/n33 2600751_223713_1622.jpg

A rolling shot that I massacred in photoshop cause it was worse without it.

http://photos-751.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v241/174/105/332600751/n33 2600751_223719_3752.jpg

And one that I think is a big OOF

http://photos-751.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v241/174/105/332600751/n33 2600751_223708_268.jpg

posted by  newyorker

That makes boatlaods of sense.



You obviously had a POS camera then (or didn't know how to use it). I've never come across anything like that, so I can see how learning on a Canon would be easier.

posted by  jedimario

Here is the end result of one of the pix, I have a higher rez saved and we are going to print it and have it on a stand next to the car at shows this summer.

http://photos-751.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v241/174/105/332600751/n33 2600751_223813_6252.jpg

posted by  newyorker

I dont think that your photo "taking" skills are bad but I think your composition is atrocious.

Could just be the way I prefer my stuff though.

posted by  Enthusiast

If you are going to print it you might want to at least make it so all the letters are visible. that black thing on the right side takes away from the rest of the picture. you also might want to worry about using your tag on it, as it might belong to someone else that might not want to be held responsible for low quality pictures.

posted by  dvdrose18

I doubt anyone else has it.

Its A.dvanced P.hotography, AP being my initials, although im sure its possible, but the words are broken with periods...never looked into it.

posted by  newyorker

Everyone says that and I am making a slow and painful progress...what do u suggest?

posted by  newyorker

On the first one the shadow of the mirror kills it for me let alone a profile picture is not flattering for that car.

2nd one is just to dull for an automotive shot.

3rd one is just butchered, but even if It wasnt im betting the birght ass light on the hood was killing it.

4th one well its just meh. there is really nothing going on. The color of the car doest stand out compared to its setting. Ive always found that a bright green grassy background works well on grey/silver/pewter cars. And the cement wall line is placed right at the intersection of the hood and glass. If it intersected in the windshield it would make it more exciting. Reflection in the paint is killin it, and the side you face is shaded dulling the car especially considering the hood is brightly lit.

This is jst my opinion on how I like my pictures.
This is one of my personal favorites and it has flaws, but i a few seconds trying to plan it. It was takin with a crappy sony.
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j131/TAEnvy/DSC00545-1.jpg

I tried to make the shaded front and lit back draw attention to the front and I tried to give it a setting that would make the car seem more vibrant. I think the top og the cab was too bright and the shadow on the hood bother me. oh and you can see me in the headlight which pisses me off. It was way too bright to be takin pictures that day but I did my best, the dusk ones came out way better.

I dont claim to be good im not even an amatuer, i just enjoy doing it and my buddys usually ask me to do it for them, and Im just telling you what kills a automotive picture for me.

posted by  Enthusiast

^^too big to quote, but i orignally wanted to find a red brick wall to take pix of his car but we didnt see anything

posted by  newyorker

I never saw the periods, and now that i think about it, without them it is probably a very common name. In fact, I think that might be the name of the place down the street.

posted by  dvdrose18

I really liked this one. Its a completely raw picture. I think the car stands out. Love the way you can just see the GTO on the seat, and it'd be great for a cover of something were text was written in the top or a title. The change in brightness from the light si real gradual and doesnt yank the eye. Although I think the front could be slightly to bright and the rear a little to dull also the lightpole im iffy on.

The light pole shadow and the front license plate bothers me. I could have probably done something with the cut offs to.
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j131/TAEnvy/DSC00573.jpg

posted by  Enthusiast

If you need to add color to a dull setting next time your taking pics of the maxima turn on the orange lights. Or maybe thats just GMs, but it will really stand out on a pewter Z and kinda helps when you dont have much to work with.

posted by  Enthusiast

I try to use scenery to help liven up the picture. To me, if its just a picture of a car when you are standing a foot away and snap it is a picture, not a photo. I try to be artistic and creative with it, but it doesnt always work..practice makes perfect, I hope :laughing:

posted by  newyorker

Not saying anything about Enthusiast's pictures, but I would have a hard time taking advice from a domestic car guy. Go check out the pictures on a domestic forum vs. import, there's a big difference.

Nothing wrong with it, import guys are usually more into cosmetics and will want their pictures to look better. Domestic guys don't care as much.

posted by  jedimario

Wow your retarded. When will yall learn you cant group such big groups like that its ****in retarded. There are people driving civics around that dont give a shit how it looks just how it runs and their are Z28s runnin around that have next to no performance mods but a ton of appearance stuff done.

Dont believe me go to LS1tech and check out the appearance & detailing section and multimedia section.
Some of the best automotive pictures Ive ever seen have been off of tech.

And my friends with imports as me to shoot their car so they must not see the difference, and some of my best pictures are of european and japanese cars.

posted by  Enthusiast

OH SNAP!

I was talking about pictures, smarty.

posted by  jedimario

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1821/22304140dy6.jpg

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/3296/13di2.jpg

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/9669/11ph5.jpg

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/9120/21nz3.jpg

4 from work today

posted by  newyorker

Disgusting V6 garbage:puke:

posted by  Spanky2324

yes it is...feels like riding a horse on ice

posted by  newyorker

Not to call BS here, but any reason why you deleted the EXIF data on these photographs? You left it in the original set...

Congrats on your new equipment. I'm a semi-professional photographer (I'm going to college so I don't have loads of time), so if you have questions hit me up.

Always remember that the camera doesn't matter -- it's all about the photographer.

Also, I'd say the easiest way to learn photography is with a fully manual (no in-camera metering, no exposure modes, no AF, not even auto winding) SLR, some good prime lenses (or just a 50mm), and good ole B&W film. Developed, enlarged, and printed by yourself in a darkroom. Granted I could be biased because that's how I learned. That being said, a good digital P&S is going to help you learn tons about composition.

Oh, forgot to reintroduce myself. I'm StiMan. :thumbs:

posted by  StiMan

So I'm still wondering why you didn't answer me on this...

posted by  StiMan

Havent been on for a few days. I dont know why there is no exif data, it could be the hosting program or something but those pictures were done in full manual (because I was too noob to realize the beauty of AV mode).

I have photographed this car many times and posted it as well I believe, but all with my old camera...why do you want to see the EXIF?? I have no problem showing you if I can get it, I just dont see what it has to do with anything.

posted by  newyorker

So I'm still wondering why you didn't answer me on this...

posted by  newyorker

Are you kidding or are you actually retarded?

It took you a MONTH to answer his question (he reminded you a month later to be specific) and when you don't get an answer in 12 hours to a half-rhetorical question you try to get smart. What a joke.

posted by  Nissan_Altima

Took the words right out of my mouth, lol....:screwy:

posted by  Cliffy

So I'm wondering why you still didn't answer me on this...

Never mind...we all already know the answer. Have a good day.

posted by  Nissan_Altima

I'm still wondering why he hasn't answered my direct and repeated question in another post. I know he's just ignoring me hoping it'll go away, because whatever answer he gives will prove him wrong.

It might go away .......... or it might not :laughing:

posted by  windsonian

It has nothing to do with being in full manual because that's all I shoot and all of my images have full EXIF data online. I hate Av mode because the camera's meter can easily be wrong. Manual gives the photographer more choice in the exposure of the image, almost always resulting in a great, correctly exposed photograph. I can usually just look at a scene and get the exposure without looking at what the meter says. That just takes a lot of time behind the camera. Of course, I still take what it says into account.

That being said, many people like Av and Tv modes.

I wanted to see the EXIF because I was wondering what the shutterspeed was on some, and, after a simple search, I pulled up the same photos posted by someone on another forum. Of course I'm not saying you aren't that guy, but I was still skeptical. I was going to compare serial numbers of the cameras. As a photographer I try to help out other photographers whenever I can if someone else has stolen their images. I also do that because it has happened to me.



Sorry, I was living my life. I went to sleep at like 11 to get up for work in the morning. I just got back from work. Sorry I couldn't respond to you sooner, pal.

I responded within 24 hours of your post, you took a month on a forum you are almost always on.

posted by  StiMan

ooh... please elaborate....

posted by  windsonian

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?p=6418830

posted by  StiMan

They were also posted on maxima.org by maximaserg (the owner of the 4thgen maxima in the pictures) as well as tristatetuners.com by me in the photography section asking for feedback. The pictures arent even that great for me to steal them and claim as my own.


and in the pictures i considered to be good i put my tag (A.dvanced P.hotography A.P. being my initials) so noone would try to steal them, the others he just posted...they are also in an album on my facebook

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=7731&id=332600751&op=12

and here are more of the same car from me
http://photos-f.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v241/174/105/332600751/n3326 00751_227389_7446.jpg

http://photos-e.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v241/174/105/332600751/n3326 00751_227444_7029.jpg

posted by  newyorker

That maxima reeks of rice

posted by  Spanky2324

yea you are right
stillen lip kit
moda r6 wheels
tein drop
full apexi exhaust
warpspeed y-pipe
injen intake
more more more

REALLY rice

posted by  newyorker

I dont think its rice just ugly, and not the modifications just the car. The lines just arent right. The profile of the car is just horrible.

Long overhangs (its sad when a camaro owner says that)
Horrible lines aft the front doors.

Notice most of the best shots of the car are focused on the front at a 3/4 quarters view.

Just look at the second pictures the car looks fine until you hit the rear doors then its just kinda goes...meh.

The rear glass and quarters have a sharp drop off given it a heavy appearance.

I wonder how the car would look with the side molding removed.

Guess with some cars it all comes down to photographer.
For Example a camaro especially a relatively stock one normally photographs best from a rear 3/4s view.
And Trans Ams dont look good in profile because the rear valance sticks out so far but angle it right and it would look so bad.

posted by  Enthusiast

Hmm, you say it's not rice BECAUSE it's an import with a body kit, wheels, intake and exhaust? I mean, maybe if it had lambo doors it wouldn't be rice.

Also, it's not so much the typical mods, more like was mentioned earlier, the lines don't flow smoothly. It seems almost as if they care more about looking modified than looking good.

posted by  giant016

I still think the look on it is good.

posted by  newyorker

It's just a maxima:2cents:

posted by  Spanky2324

And to each his own, but you've got an uphill battle defending it against the dreaded "rice" label.

posted by  giant016

I can say that about your car too..its just an eclipse...my car is just a miata...its about what the owner of the car likes to do, not about everyone else.

posted by  newyorker

Yea, I didn't really think you'd stolen them, but I usually check a lot of stuff posted on here.

I was originally interested in the shutterspeed for some of the ones driving.

posted by  StiMan

Well back then I was shooting on full M mode, and if i recall, i changed the apperature to around 11 or 13 and just shot that way...i can try to get you exif if you really want it let me know.

posted by  newyorker

It's all good. I'll figure it out. Thanks.

posted by  StiMan

A few more from last night

Ben Franklin Bridge

http://photos-751.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v292/174/105/332600751/n33 2600751_250658_1029.jpg

Bottom of Art Museum Steps: Sharp Background

http://photos-751.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v292/174/105/332600751/n33 2600751_250659_1311.jpg

Bottom of Art Museum Steps: Blurred Background

http://photos-751.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v292/174/105/332600751/n33 2600751_250660_1558.jpg

Top of Art Museum Steps

http://photos-751.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v292/174/105/332600751/n33 2600751_250661_1813.jpg

Top of Art Museum Steps: Different Angle

http://photos-751.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v292/174/105/332600751/n33 2600751_250662_2076.jpg


They all look kinda choppy especially if you look at the wheels, but thats all the lame Facebook resize

posted by  newyorker

Those are a nice improvement. I don't know if you're skill has increased or if it's just a background that works well with a silver car, but yes, very nice.

posted by  giant016

Thanks man. I have lighting issues in some (particularly last 2) but the lighting in the spot sucks and I dont have strobes, a fill flast might have worked but its too late for that theory now :banghead: lol

Im waiting for STiman to come in here and give some feedback

posted by  newyorker

Can you upload them to something besides facebook? It compresses the quality and shrinks the images.

They look good though.

posted by  chris_knows

FULLSIZE!!!

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/8899/maximabridgeah6.jpg

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/6392/maximasteplow1zs6.jpg

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/5974/maximasteplow2vu0.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4706/maximastepstop1ne4.jpg

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/1562/maximasteptop2ii9.jpg

posted by  newyorker

Yes, definitely better, but I do have some suggestions:

I'll go image by image I think.

The first one is really nice -- pretty good composition. There's some digital noise present in all of these images but it's most pronounced in the first one because there is so much sky. Try out a noise-reduction program like NoiseNinja -- it does wonders. Also, (this goes for all of them) there seems to be some weird color cast on them. I think you're really right when you said fill flash could have helped because the longer exposure in a city, the more light pollution you get in the image leading to weird color casts. Still, the first one has a pretty good composition.

Second image is quite good also but suffers from a problem in all of them: the exposure is too long. All of the lights are blown out and the highlights are totally blanked. A fill flash would really have helped to capture both the car and the background action. I think you've got a good idea in the PP version, but bokeh (out of focus background that the blur tool you used seems to have been going for) is really best done in the original capture with really shallow DOF (depth of field). Because this image was taken at 45mm, I'd suggest getting a 50mm f/1.8. It's cheap and having a "fast fifty" is always a good idea. It's really good at getting that shallow DOF.

Also, the PP doesn't work too well because you blurred too much of the car.

The second to last image is the one that I think had the most potential of the bunch. I think if you retook it with a fill flash to shorten the shutter speed so that the highlights weren't blown and you had the Maxima oriented the other way (nose towards the left), you'd have a winner. Also, there's a good deal of noise again in the sky -- you could crop it a little and be good.

The last on is OK, but the blown out highlights ruin it IMHO.

Overall:
1) Nice job.
2) Use fill flash to shorten shutter speed to minimize blown out highlights.
3) Get a noise reducer.
4) Watch for light pollution in a city.
5) Look into getting a 50mm f/1.8 or faster.

posted by  StiMan

Thanks man, but I do have a nifty fifty already, I think I took some of the pictures with it. The exif should still be there for most of them, and as far as the bokeh, I think I just set my apperature too low and didnt get the whole car in focus, only a piece of it.

edit: yea picture 3 was taken with my 50mm at f/1.8 but I think i overshot it..should have raised the apperature a bit.

posted by  newyorker

2 more if u wanna feed back some more

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/7255/350zbluyd0.jpg

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8690/350zoklg8.jpg

posted by  newyorker

for the second one, couldn't you at least take it on the green grass on the other side of the street? I also thing the speed limit sign takes away from the picture. I also don't care for non action pictures where there are people in the cars, some how it just makes it look like the picture wasn't thought out.

for the first one, the hole in the trees looks like a gouge in the paint at first glance, and the angle makes it look as though the car is about to slide down the hill.

I am by no means a photo expert, I am just adding :2cents: that popped into my head.

posted by  dvdrose18

They really werent thought out. I went to a bbq and just saw people takin pix of their cars so I dedcided to join for a minute.

Another from today, part of a "for sale" set

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8643/hayabusaslantve1.jpg

posted by  newyorker

I think on the first one the composition could use some work. The angle really kills the body lines of the car and the main part of the picture, the side of the car and the wheels, really isnt anything special. If it has some nice CCWs or iForged stuff on it, it'd be different but overall its a pretty boring pic.

Also green and blue rarely go well together.

The 2nd pic. Loose the shadow, the street and something else. Its not bad its just not one of those pics thats like WOW thats awesome. Also Silver cars usually look great against a green back ground.

If the 2nd car was in the green grass and the blue car was in the dead grass I think theyd be much mroe interesting.

posted by  Enthusiast

Agreed. If I had it my way I would have moved them, but I am usuallly faced with situations where I cant move the car or ask the owner

posted by  newyorker

The first pic all I can focus on is the reflection of the people standing nearby.

posted by  97Talonchik

Yea thats when a polarizer comes in handy...unfortunately I still havent ordered one cause im waiting for a sale (no way am i paying 65 dollars for what is basically 58mm of tinted glass)

posted by  newyorker

thats what that is, I was just seeing the guy's white shirt and thought it was a gap in the trees, but it's still anoying.

posted by  dvdrose18

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