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So I will admit, I am a big Lance fan. Have been for many years. Love the guy and can't think of a better role model for athletes othe than the best endurance athlete of our time, Lance Armstrong. (by the way the is not subjective, it is factual. There is no debating that one.)

Was planning on going to Europe for the first time in my life this summer. Was also planning on spending 3 weeks traveling w/ the tour. Unfortunately the Euro is kicking the dollar's ass so I can't afford to go this year, too expensive.

As for the new book by some lame ass French author, L.A. Confidential: The Secrets of Lance Armstrong , is a shame. The man is drug tested more than any other person in the world (also fact). I mean even the authors say the evidence is circumstantial. I just think the French can't deal with his success but I could fill a whole thread about that.

Anyways just checking to see if anyone was a Lance fan around here as well.

~ Gregg

posted by  Voda48

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I'm not a Lance fan but enjoy watching the races when I find them on.

My sister and brother-in-law moved to Germany 2 years ago. My brother-in-law is a huge cycling fan! He's been on cloud 9 the past couple of years following the tour around meeting and chatting with some of the riders. He sends us a monthly "What's new..." report and I hear about all this cycling stuff. I don't understand most of it, but it's cool hearing the enthusiasm in the writing.

Anyway...yup, the dollar is taking a dump in Europe.
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posted by  BavarianWheels

I dont know much about lance dont really hear about him. in england people are far more into moutain bikes and people like steve peat etc...

http://www.cnnsi.com/cycling/news/2001/02/13/armstrong_form/t1_armstrong_al l.jpg

Lance armstrong the american champ

posted by  Lukaz

he truly is amazing for all the feats that he has accomplished and everything he had to overcome to get this far.

posted by  importluva

One Million People crowded into a 15.5km stage which consists 21 hairpin turns and 1110m in elevation.... this is L’Alpe d’Huez. Today I now know that the god of the bicycle is none other than a man who has survived testicular cancer and gone on to win the tour 5 times in row. He is now on his way to setting a record 6th tour victory. Today I have seen one of the most impressive races of my life and when you think that this very same man was given less than a 50% chance to survive cancer it only makes one's mind wonder where such men come from. Surely there can not be another.......GO LANCE

posted by  Voda48

im not a big fan of Lance as i dont follow up on these cycling events like this, but still, even the simplest of fools can recognize a person with true valor. i think i have every right to respectfully, and rightfully, say that Mr Armstrong is a hero to many.

its quite inspiring to see a person that has gone through so much, and is still go through alot and still doesnt give up. even if it costs him his life, he still keeps cycling with everything he has. Hell, hes out there competeing against a bunch of healthy bastards and he still wins. thats one huge feat in itself. its like watching Magic Johnson playing basketball even with AIDS, and then the 2 times (i think) that he played with the dream team at a point where his condition had gotten serious. even though Magic Johnson had quit, and his case was differently (to be honest, he did get wat was coming to him), he still did give it his efforts. any other player would have just given up.

Dale Eanhardt, even though he was reaching his old age and had problems, he kept racing. true that he did reach his last few breaths while in a race, but damn, first place in the very last turn. it showed just how great of a driver he was, and its nice that his son didnt quite after that.

its people like these that should be looked up to by everyone. even in their worst of times, they will keep fighting and give it all they have, sometimes even go above their own limits. while we just lie in bed whenever we get a cold or our head hurts a bit, these guys went out there to do wat they loved. sure, i know that many people say, "oh, my grandmother can drive a car in circles all day long", but its just really ignorant people that dont fully understand the whole point of it, nor how damn hard it is to sit in that car driving 160+ mph for 300-600 laps, nor cycling for a really nice long way while your own life is at risk. im sure i could get a top of the line bike and get Mr Armstrong to give me a 5 minute head start, and he would still beat me without even trying even though im quite healthy (besides my stupid sugar problem).

indeed, these guys do deserve to be called outstanding human beings, though i dont think Magic Johnson aint as great, but u get the point of his case. but the rest, those are just people that will never trully be forgotten.

posted by  Inygknok

Amén... :)

posted by  karburator

I'm absolutely gobsmacked by his achievements: truly awe-inspiring.

However, I got into an interesting conversation the other day: is his achievement more impressive than Steve Redgrave's 5 consecutive gold medals for rowing in the Olympics? I would say that the Tour de France is a tougher event, but there's a four-year gap between olympics! That means Steve Redgrave has been at the top of his game for 16 years! That's pretty impressive, particularly as his training is hampered by the fact he's diabetic.

They're both inspirational, though.

posted by  heebee

<-----agrees wholeheartedly with what Inygknok said :thumbs:

posted by  SuperJew

"its people like these that should be looked up to by everyone. even in their worst of times, they will keep fighting and give it all they have, sometimes even go above their own limits. while we just lie in bed whenever we get a cold or our head hurts a bit, these guys went out there to do wat they loved. sure, i know that many people say, "oh, my grandmother can drive a car in circles all day long", but its just really ignorant people that dont fully understand the whole point of it, nor how damn hard it is to sit in that car driving 160+ mph for 300-600 laps, nor cycling for a really nice long way while your own life is at risk. im sure i could get a top of the line bike and get Mr Armstrong to give me a 5 minute head start, and he would still beat me without even trying even though im quite healthy (besides my stupid sugar problem)."

I feel the same way. I get a little pain and I think I am dying and these people who have been diagnosed with serious problems continue to strive. It is people like Lance, Dale and my grandmother who remind me that life is worth living. While you are alive...Live...Be Happy...And Keep Moving. Don't stop living life because you have been dealt a bad hand. I am not much of a cycling fan but since I heard about Lance a few years ago, I follow his achievements so I can remember that my pain is just that a pain. It should not stop me. My Hats off to Lance and the many other people like him who are true role-models.

posted by  vniles100

Hey Karb,

Long time no see. Have you gotten a chance to see any of the tour?? Any of the Pyrennes stages??? You bummed that Mayo pulled out??? Those Basck (sp?) fans are insane :mrgreen:

posted by  Voda48

That was what I was thinking from reading the first post. regardless of who actually is the "greatest" they are both amazing athletes in their own right!
And both have to be a little bit :screwy:

I would need to be more informed on both steve and lance, but iether way I wouldn't like to pick!

I think both of them are possitive arguements for genetic engineering, cos I want that gene that makes them both soo damn amazing!

This is for you guys :clap: :clap: :clap:

posted by  Unlicensed

Ive watched Lance on tv ocasionally and i saw some special on ESPN last night. They said that before he was racing on the US Postal Service team, He raced for the Motorola team, and they basically said that he used stereroid and convinced his other teammates to use them as well.
But after several drug tests he never tested positive for the drug.
Then he joined US Postal and next thing i know he has cancer and only has one...well you know what :laughing:

posted by  Eclipse_2004

Lance Armstrong = Doping

I applaud Lance Armstrong for taking full advantage of the chemicals available on this Earth. If I was Lance, I'd do it to. Why not? Most of the bikers are probably taking drugs too. But Lance is fully taking advantage of the drugs. Does anyone know what drugs he's taking? I want some of those. I want the ability to ride a bike for hours...

posted by  What

What,

You are so childish. You actualy try to step on toes to look for a fight, I wish you would grow up. I won't give you that satifaction today however because I disregard your comment as pure bullshit coming from some kid looking to engage in a fight. Lance Armstrong has been the most drug tested person in the world for the last 4 years, that is fact. While David Miller has recently admited to doping, there is no reason to think that anyone else in cycling would. Your childish demeanor combined with your ignorance creates quite a lethal combination of stupidity. If you were to leave this forum I can honestly say that my mind would never wonder where you went. Get a clue

Eclipse_2004,

your comment:


Well ya. The French have been accusing him for years of dopping. Duh!!! They are jealous. He is an American that is dominating a european sport, they are throw out every excuse that they have namly beacuse he is so good and also because they are French. Please don't be as ignorant as "What", just understand that when you are at the top there are going to be people that try to bring you down.

posted by  Voda48

I'm not really into that sport, but man, I'll give those guys props. I can barely ride my bike 16 miles (now that I have my car) anymore. :oops: :doh:

posted by  Satty101

Hi!

mmmh Pyrinees are a little far from I live. I did only watch the stage we are talking about on this thread. Well, in fact I didn't watch to it, but hear it on the radio. I was working as towing truck marshal at Valencia's Circuit, and my companion wanted to listen to the tour. I'm not just a fan of cyling, even thuogh I like riding my MTB.

Well, Basques are... conflictive... a little brute. Not all of them, of course.

posted by  karburator

I'm not looking for a fight. I don't recall me asking anyone to respond or comment to my opinion. Did you?

My knowledge of cars exceeds most if not all of you on this forum. You all are too caught up in my "opinions" to be able to realise that. Go ask VWHOBO who he asks for advice when he can't figure something out..

posted by  What

Whoa! That's big talking. Honestly, I haven't read any post of you yet, but if what you are saying is true, you'll have all my respect.

posted by  karburator

OK Sinces voda doesnt seem to want to believe me about what i saw on ESPN "Outside the Lines" Heres some proof about what i was talking about

"According to 'L.A Confidential: The Secrets of Lance Armstrong', the now 33-year-old Texan used EPO during races in the late 1990s. The allegations come from Irish physiotherapist Emma O'Reilly who worked with Armstrong for three and half years until the end of the 2000 season.


The book alleges that Armstrong asked her to dispose of bags containing syringes after the 1998 Tour of Holland. And then, in May 1999 when Armstrong was at a training camp in the Pyrenees mountains, O'Reilly was asked to drive to Spain to collect drugs and bring them back into France, passing them to Armstrong in a parking lot"


I didnt say that he still uses them..or that he ever used them i was just stating what i hear on epsn and this article


Heres the entire articlewhole story (http://espnstar.com/jsp/cda/studio/aid=1081522&ecode='COL2_LP'studio_lates tcoldetail.html)


P.S. Voda..I'll be around here for awhile...Im not looking for a fight, looks like you are

posted by  Eclipse_2004

Lance armstrong in great britian is almost unheard of... Like i said most people round here are into moutain bikers or BMxers like dave mirra or mattt hoffman or whateva lol... I used to do ride dirt trials thats basically dirt jumps and racing and tricks.. I can still ride them but dont do that so much anymore. i can still ride my bike a motorbike and a car :mrgreen:. It seems that people have diffrent views about lance which is understandle but since i dont know ever so much about him i cant take sides

posted by  Lukaz

I think that hes a breat bike rider and has even over come cancer.
LIke one of the guys said in the article
"If he isnt doping, this is the greatest comeback athlete ever, But if he is doping, This is the greatest fraud.
Lets just not hope that hes doping..cause Lance is a good guy :thumbs:

posted by  Eclipse_2004

I am glad to see that Eclipse is easily influenced. I'll break it down like this for you. I can publish a book saying that Albert Pujols had has an extra testical and has a lactose intolerance problem preventing him form seeing color further than 500 ft away. Now this is merly an opinion formed after I saw he needed a bigger cup for his jock and he was throwing up after drinking nasty milk. Mere specualtion. This isn't "defamation of character" becuase he is a celebrety in the eye of the media, therefore he cannot sue. Now if you are going to believe everything you read go ahead, but even the PUBLUISHER AND AUTHOR of the book, 'L.A Confidential: The Secrets of Lance Armstrong' admit that the book was written on circumstantial evidence. The fact that Emma O'Reilly cant tell what exactly was in those bags it another point. If you read carerfully, she never said that there were actualy needles in the bags, merely she thought there were. Even if there were needles that dosen't mean jacksquat. There is no proof of anything. Even the author of the book has said this merly speculation. Authors thoughts (http://www.iht.com/articles/524790.html) "We don't actually prove anything," Walsh said." I speculate that aliens landed at Roswell, does that mean that it actualy happen??? (that is a example by the way.)

Also, since he is the most frequently tested person in the world ALL of his test dating back to when he started cycling again are stored in a wharehouse. I know this because as an athlete at the NCAA level I was tested serveral times a year, and these samples are available to me for the next 3 years. They store this shit (literaly). Hate to be the guy taking inventorey but they do keep it. So if you think that he might be doping, take his challenge, go and test all of his samples if you like. They got a couple thousand for you to test.

Unless you got anything worthwhile to say, how bout doing us a favor and keep it to yourself. :thumbs:

posted by  Voda48

i dont have anything against you..or lance armstrong. IT just happened that while i was reading this particular part of the forum i was watching this interview on esp, so i thought i would out it on here and see what everyone think..obviously you took it the wrong way :banghead:

posted by  Eclipse_2004

http://home.ripway.com/2004-3/84054/st20-podium.jpg

Champion

posted by  Voda48

Yes yes. Not surprising actually. I have concluded that he is not human.

posted by  importluva

ahahhahahaha :thumbs:

posted by  Satty101

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