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I have to confess that I’ve never done a burnout or even seen one in the flesh so to speak. What I was wondering is, are they just done in first gear with the revs balanced or can people work their way up through the gears once they get going for a faster burnout?
Am I right in thinking that the handbrake in a RWD is linked to the front wheels and in a FWD it’s linked to the back wheels? Is the handbrake normally linked to the back wheels in a 4WD?

posted by  snoopewite

The handbrake, commonly called the "emergency brake" via people that don't know the intended use, is always linked to the rear wheels no matter the drivetrain configuration of the vehicle. At least I have never seen it linked to the front in ANY vehilcle. With regards to vehicles that have drum rear brakes, the handbrake is always cable actuated and is a secondary systems that activates the shoes to apply constant and set pressure to the drum surface. If the vehicle has rear disk brakes, you will commonly find that the rear rotors have a drum inside of them on the back surface and you have a set of shoes that are never essentially worn down due to them only being set when the parking brake is applied and the wheels are not in motion. This is the same principle as vehicles with rear drum brakes, the only difference is that the primary rear braking system for when the vehicle is in motion is a rotor with disk brake actuation.

Most newer vehicle fall into two types:

Front Disk / Rear Drum : Fluid driven callipers on the front, fluid driven wheel cylinders on the back with cable parking brake actuation of the main braking system on the rear.

Front Disk / Rear Disk : Fluid driven callipers on the front, fluid driven callipers on the back with cable parking brake actuation of the secondary brake drum braking system on the rear.

Hope that helps :-)

posted by  cmeseadoin

I forgot to address your burnout question:

Burnouts are multifactorial. That is the simple answer. They are a collaboration of tires, engine horsepower, type and capabilities of the transmission such as automatic or manual, whether or not the vehicle is equipped with anti-slip traction control systems, drivetrain configuration such as front wheel drive, rear wheel drive, all wheel drive or four wheel drive as well.

Most of the time in a rear wheel drive / automatic transmission vehicle in the absence of traction control and in the presense of enough power, you can go through the gears no problem. The car does not know you are burning rubber and not accelerating from a traffic light, so naturally when the valve body and solenoids and such sence that it is time to upshift, you're gonna upshift. In a manual you can do it yourself and continue to mash the gas in each gear......with enough power, you'll smoke the tires no matter what gear you are in. Just think logically......it all makes sense.

posted by  cmeseadoin

First of all some cars, although I respect you may not have seen them as you are probably from the US, Do indeed have the handbrake cable linked to the front discs, for example and infact probably the only manufacturer who I know does this is Citroen with most of their larger cars ie; Xantia and BX (I understand if you've never heard of them but they are common in the Europe). In my opinion this is a setup that should never have been attempted as for starters you can only handbrake turn in reverse lol and secondly when you have been using the brakes on say a long jouney the discs expand as 75% of all braking is done on the front hence they get bloody hot lol...and yes you guessed it, when they resume their normal size the handbrake isn't on as tight as it was when you left it!

As for the burnouts! FWD cars are easier than RWD cars to get multiple gearchanges out of as the front end lifts of the road as you are accelerating meaning the whole car is a lot lighter and if you were in a RWD you can imagine that the back end dips meaning more weight is ditributed to the road meaning too much traction, as for AWD....I wouldn't even bother lol. And IMHO It's a hell of a lot easier in a manual as you have complete control over the gearing that way!

Hope this helped!

posted by  Cliffy

Are you trying to do a burn out in a manual or automatic car if your doing a manual what i do is just hit the gas and release the clutch as fast as i can with an automatic just hold the break and press the gas then release the break and then punch the gas down even more

OR if your in a RWD automatic car just through it in reverse and hit the gas hard that is almost garentead (SP) to give you a burn out

If you dont have a strong transmision (SP) i dont recomend doing many burnouts

posted by  Car Guy

So you push the gas in an auto in Drive lol....I hope not cause one of two things would happen...if your brakes are crap you will just move off with the brakes binding on or if the brakes are powerfull the revs just wont climb and you'll eventually damage the transmission...Infact the only way I'd recoment burning out in an auto is to simply hit the throttle as everything else is playing with fire IMO!

posted by  Cliffy

There's nothing like a reverse "burn out."

Just how many burn outs would you recommend is safe with a strong transmission vs. a not-so-strong transmission?

posted by  BavarianWheels

Hey Cliffy,

As for the front wheel emergency brake vehicle, that is why I put in that disclaimer: "At least I have never seen it linked to the front in ANY vehilcle." :clap: There are many vehicles I have not seen or looked at. With regards to the burnouts, the "multifactorial" takes care of you arguement on weight distribution. Obviously FWD pulls the car hence less weight on the wheels and then with RWD you are pushing, IE) more weight on the wheels. I agree! :thumbs:

posted by  cmeseadoin

Sorry, I wasn't having a dig at you, I know that you know all about cars lol :thumbs:

posted by  Cliffy

Hey Cliffy,

No problem! What part of the UK are you in and how old are you?? I am 26 and live in Richmond, Virginia. My father is from London so I recognized your dialect from the "bloody hot" comment, LOL. Kudos to your thoughts about parking brakes working a mechanism on the front wheels. That is not the smartest thing a vehicle manufacture could do I don't think!! Enjoy!! :clap:

posted by  cmeseadoin

Hey, nice to meet ya..I'm from Surrey about 30-40 miles away from London and I'm 21 :thumbs: oh yeah and I love the word 'Bloody' I think all or most people from England do...and Australians too...must be the slang accent, same goes for 'Mate' I've never heard an American say it lol..Anyway I'm baffling on, take it eazzzzy :thumbs:

posted by  Cliffy

G'day Mate :mrgreen:

Thanks for writting back. That is cool that you are 21 and live in Surry. Your a young thing! 8-) I am more than sure I have been there in my trips to the London area. Being as my father is from there, I have been over that way numerous times, mainly earlier in my life. I have not been there in about, gosh, 15 years now. I was in Australia though in 1994 as well as New Zealand. I LOVED it. Beautiful places and yes, I love the dialect...yeah, that's bloody right! ;-) I work here in the states and am a Network Engineer for Bank of America. I am sure you have heard of that company perhaps.

So do you have cars? I currently have three. One is my mint condition 1995 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4x4 with the 4.0 Litre engine coupled with a 5-speed manual transmission. I have accessorized it a little and added a dual exhaust system as well as a few other tricks. I also have a 1976 Buick Electra 225 Limited with a GM big block 455 V-8 that I am fixing up and tanking around in. She's huge, 20 feet long and nearly 7.5-8 feet wide weighing in at 6000 pounds nearly. I have done quite a bit of work to it, but the body and engine and everything is in GREAT shape for it's age of 28 years. I just had a true dual exhaust system done all the way from each manifold back to the bumper with no catalytic converter and a set of flowmaster 40's done racing style where they are mounted side by side and low to the ground beside the rear differential. You should hear it. There is nothing like the sound of a big block. I then have one other car and that is a 1996 Pontiac Grand AM. It's been a great car for driving everyday and it seems to be relatively trouble free. For the low amount of money I have in it, it's a great deal and FUN to drive. The 2.4L twin overhead cam engine that it has is a quick little thing coupled with the 4 speed automatic trans. with lock up T/converter.

Anyways, thought I would chat to you and say hello to see what was going on in Surry :clap: Have a great day, hope to hear back from you. I will try and post some pics of my vehicles. :thumbs: L8r Cliffy :-)

posted by  cmeseadoin

Hi, yes I have a car, nothing special though, It's a '93 Ford Escort Turbo Diesel Estate (wagon?). It's quite quick for a diesel though lol :thumbs:

Getting back to the subject..slightly..I have just thought of another handbrake setup! Landrover used a mechanism on the Rangerover similar to that of the 'Park' setting on an auto gearbox whereby the box is locked when engaged..I believe they done this on the manual version.

posted by  Cliffy

Yep, and sometimes on the bigger trucks and whatnot, they use a bandclamp type parking brake that locks onto a big circular wheel made onto the driveshaft to the rear wheels. I have seen a rotary one and also a brake rotor looking devise that is used. This works too for the larger vehicles. :thumbs:

posted by  cmeseadoin

This has been overdue.

I asked about handbrakes because I though that people usually put the handbrake on before doing burnouts. I know that it's common with FWDs but then you made it clear how burnouts are done in RWDs in your second post.

Now I know that you just have to rely on power as the main factor for a burnout with a RWD like you said.

It's strange that you should mention that because when I was in a 7.5 tone lorry for the first time the other day, I noticed how the handbrake was either flipped up or down at a right angle with no clicking sounds from teeth when it was pulled up like with car handbrakes.

I've learnt much more than I've quoted in this thread e.g. what Cliffy said about Citroens. Not only am I grateful for the help but it's good to have people in here who make contributions that result in threads like this in these forums.

I've just got some short questions before I finish this post.
cmeseadoin, are you aware that you quote people the opposite way round to everyone else? Does it just look more right to you the way that you do it? Does your screen name mean anything? By the way, you didn't need to ask Cliffy where in England he was from because it says under his screen name :wink2:
Cliffy, what kind of security work do you do? Between us, we represent the English part of this community quite well don't you think? I'm glad to have another English member like you in here :cool2:

Thanks for the replies everyone, especially cmeseadoin and Cliffy :thumbs: :thumbs:

posted by  snoopewite

Firstly, I was gonna ask him the first part myself, I always think he's quoting something else at the bottom of the screen, it then becomes apparent that he's not :mrgreen: Still nevermind, each to their own I guess :wink2:

As for the second part, (in order) I guard office blocks mainly hence why I'm here all the time, although I'm breaking the rules being here lol. Yes I think we do represent the Engish side of things well and it's always nice to have more than one member from our neck of the woods in these places as most of the time the web is dominated by people from the US (No offence guys, you're all really nice people! :wink2: ) so, I'm also glad to have a fellow Engishman here, together we can explain all thing's 'Rover' and 'Vauxhall' to people lol! It's nice to feel wanted so, thanx. And lastly, you're welcome, I'm always glad to help when I can!

posted by  Cliffy

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