Need to set timing 98 escort 2.0L zetek engine

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Hi, thanks in advance for any help you can give. My daughter's car is a 98 ford escort, 2.0L Zetek engine, manual transmission. About a year and a half ago she went through a low water crossing and blew the original engine (sucked water into it). I put in a used engine (about 37K miles) and its been running fine until last weekend when the timing belt broke. I bought a new timing belt and put it on, but the timing is off. There is no distributor to easily adjust the timing, all computer controlled. Unfortunately, both camshafts shifted out of position when the belt broke. The Haynes manual that I have does not give specific enough information to reset the cams to the correct position. I have put the engine at TDC and tried various positions for both cams, but just cannot get them exactly right. What I am looking for is guidance/picture of how both cams need to be set when the crankshaft is at TDC. I talked to a couple of Ford dealers, but I will be damned if I'm going to pay $119 just to "tell me what's wrong with it" when I can get another used engine for $500. (one aside, why don't dealers believe you when you tell them you know what is wrong and what you're doing?)

Any help that will avoid me having to put another engine in this car when the current one just needs to be set up properly woud be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Mich

posted by  mich

you didn't run the engine after you did all this did you?

posted by  BanffAutoSpa_ap

I tried to start the engine. It turns over, but won't start. I have good spark (checked with meter), and fuel pressure. I took off the negative battery cable to allow the computer to reset, same thing. My reliable knowledge base for repairs (neighbor who used to run an auto repair shop) says the crankshafts aren't set right, he had one a couple of years ago and it took him a week of minute adjustments to set them correctly. Unfortunately, he had a stroke and although the knowledge is still there, he can't physically come look and adjust.
thanks.
mich

posted by  mich

well i'll try to look it up but if thats an interferance engine(meaning the valves will interfere with the piston if timing is not perfect) so ya could be looking for a new engine already but i'll look it up first

posted by  BanffAutoSpa_ap

thanks. I don't think there's any interference, the engine turn over smoothly, no chunks, clanks, or grinding, just no ignition.

posted by  mich

Chances are your valves are bent. Need new heads or motor (if you don't want to change the heads) most likely.

You didn't set the timing when you put the belt on?

You have to take off the belt housing (again) and set the timing. That's the only way to set the timing.

posted by  88GrandPrixSE

yes he knows but he needs the diagram, and i dunno if it is an interferance engine for sure so don't go buyin heads or a motot yet

posted by  BanffAutoSpa_ap

Shouldn't need a diagrahm to set timing, just take off the belt and line the marks up on the cam and crank.

posted by  88GrandPrixSE

unfortunately, there's no easy way that I know of to set the timing. there are no marks on the camshafts to set an alignment (wonderful design, thank you ford). the haynes manual I have only says to put the camshaft tool around the shafts before removing the timing belt. since the belt broke, the alignment of the shafts is already off. yes, there could be damage, but it doesn't sound like it when the engine turns over. if i can get the shafts aligned properly and it still won't start, then i'll just drop another engine into it, trying to avoid that, daughter's car is 150 miles away with no easy place to work on it.
thanks,
mich

posted by  mich

youd be hooped doing a chrysler 3.0L in a caravan if the belt broke, or getting a motor from a wreker with the belt already off.it sucks sometimes

posted by  BanffAutoSpa_ap

Ford's really good at making well designed cars aren't they?

I don't have a timing book at home, they're all at work so, sorry.

posted by  88GrandPrixSE

agreed. i try to avoid cars that I can't work on fairly easily. the wife wanted a van, i said no way, too much of a pain.

posted by  mich

i won't touch this with a 10 foot pole.

posted by  BanffAutoSpa_ap

What about an 11 footer? or a baseball bat? They work pretty good on ford's afterall.

posted by  88GrandPrixSE

actually, most of the ford's i've had have been fairly decent, including this one. I just can't believe they wouldn't have set alignment marks on the camshafts. There's one for the crank, but not the cams, wtf?? anyway, I'm not going to be able to get down to the car until Sat or Sun, so if it takes a day or two, i'm still ok. Daughter just made me grandpa last thursday, so she's not really worried about driving her car around much, her husband can drive them where they need to go, but i'd like to get her car going as soon as I can.

btw, wife thought a van would be good for camping as we have three boxers to haul around. i bought an older suburban (much easier to work on) and she is more than pleased.

thanks again,
mich

posted by  mich

Congrats on becoming a grandfather! :thumbs:

and good choice, GM's rock, soccer mom vehicle. :thumbs:

Good luck with your car

posted by  88GrandPrixSE

Ford does not provide camshaft gear timing marks, or information to perform timing belt service without the special tools
this is why the dealer wouldn't give you the alignment procedure, cuz you do need the special tool you also need a camshaft alignment tool which stupidly enough looks like just a piece of steel .. lol i highly reccomend you take it to the dealer cuz it isnt as easy as it may seem

posted by  BanffAutoSpa_ap

although not the answer i was looking for, you gave me enough info to decide i'll probably just drop another engine into the @!$*&!~ thing. Mostly because I refuse to give money to ford to "fix" something that they designed in a manner that a backyard mechanic can't. might cost me a little bit more, but i'll feel better.

thanks again for all the posts and help.

posted by  mich

Okay, just wanted to post a solution in case someone else needs it. What the Haynes manual refers to as a camshaft tool actually doubles as an alignment tool. It slips into the right side of the camshafts and there is only one possible way for it to fit. Once you have the shafts set to where the tool will go in with the crankshaft set at TDC, the timing is set. No other adjustments needed. Actually, pretty slick. The only thing that ticked me off is that my local Ford dealership told me $60 for the tool and 2 to 3 weeks to get it, refused to lend the one they had, even though I assured them I'd take it Sat afternoon and have it back Monday when they opened. After some research on the net, I found it for $6.88 from OTC, but they wouldn't sell it to an individual, only to a "certified automotive shop." I finally ended up buying it from EToolMart.com for $18. Turns out the "tool" is nothing more than a flat piece of bar metal, had I known I could have used a file or something instead.
Anyway, the daughter's car is up and running. Of course, I have to add that my granddaughter is the sweetest, smartest, and loudest little bundle of joy that I have ever seen.
Thanks for all your help and suggestions.
Mich

posted by  mich

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