Need to set timing 98 escort 2.0L zetek engine
Hi, thanks in advance for any help you can give. My daughter's car is a 98
ford escort, 2.0L Zetek engine, manual transmission. About a year and a
half ago she went through a low water crossing and blew the original engine
(sucked water into it). I put in a used engine (about 37K miles) and its
been running fine until last weekend when the timing belt broke. I bought
a new timing belt and put it on, but the timing is off. There is no
distributor to easily adjust the timing, all computer controlled.
Unfortunately, both camshafts shifted out of position when the belt broke.
The Haynes manual that I have does not give specific enough information to
reset the cams to the correct position. I have put the engine at TDC and
tried various positions for both cams, but just cannot get them exactly
right. What I am looking for is guidance/picture of how both cams need to
be set when the crankshaft is at TDC. I talked to a couple of Ford
dealers, but I will be damned if I'm going to pay $119 just to "tell me
what's wrong with it" when I can get another used engine for $500. (one
aside, why don't dealers believe you when you tell them you know what is
wrong and what you're doing?)
Any help that will avoid me having to put another engine in this car when the current one just needs to be set up properly woud be greatly appreciated.
you didn't run the engine after you did all this did you?
I tried to start the engine. It turns over, but won't start. I have good
spark (checked with meter), and fuel pressure. I took off the negative
battery cable to allow the computer to reset, same thing. My reliable
knowledge base for repairs (neighbor who used to run an auto repair shop)
says the crankshafts aren't set right, he had one a couple of years ago and
it took him a week of minute adjustments to set them correctly.
Unfortunately, he had a stroke and although the knowledge is still there,
he can't physically come look and adjust.
well i'll try to look it up but if thats an interferance engine(meaning the valves will interfere with the piston if timing is not perfect) so ya could be looking for a new engine already but i'll look it up first
thanks. I don't think there's any interference, the engine turn over smoothly, no chunks, clanks, or grinding, just no ignition.
Chances are your valves are bent. Need new heads or motor (if you don't
want to change the heads) most likely.
You didn't set the timing when you put the belt on?
You have to take off the belt housing (again) and set the timing. That's the only way to set the timing.
yes he knows but he needs the diagram, and i dunno if it is an interferance engine for sure so don't go buyin heads or a motot yet
Shouldn't need a diagrahm to set timing, just take off the belt and line the marks up on the cam and crank.
unfortunately, there's no easy way that I know of to set the timing. there
are no marks on the camshafts to set an alignment (wonderful design, thank
you ford). the haynes manual I have only says to put the camshaft tool
around the shafts before removing the timing belt. since the belt broke,
the alignment of the shafts is already off. yes, there could be damage,
but it doesn't sound like it when the engine turns over. if i can get the
shafts aligned properly and it still won't start, then i'll just drop
another engine into it, trying to avoid that, daughter's car is 150 miles
away with no easy place to work on it.
youd be hooped doing a chrysler 3.0L in a caravan if the belt broke, or getting a motor from a wreker with the belt already off.it sucks sometimes
Ford's really good at making well designed cars aren't they?
I don't have a timing book at home, they're all at work so, sorry.
agreed. i try to avoid cars that I can't work on fairly easily. the wife wanted a van, i said no way, too much of a pain.
i won't touch this with a 10 foot pole.
What about an 11 footer? or a baseball bat? They work pretty good on ford's afterall.
actually, most of the ford's i've had have been fairly decent, including
this one. I just can't believe they wouldn't have set alignment marks on
the camshafts. There's one for the crank, but not the cams, wtf?? anyway,
I'm not going to be able to get down to the car until Sat or Sun, so if it
takes a day or two, i'm still ok. Daughter just made me grandpa last
thursday, so she's not really worried about driving her car around much,
her husband can drive them where they need to go, but i'd like to get her
car going as soon as I can.
btw, wife thought a van would be good for camping as we have three boxers to haul around. i bought an older suburban (much easier to work on) and she is more than pleased.
Congrats on becoming a grandfather! :thumbs:
and good choice, GM's rock, soccer mom vehicle. :thumbs:
Good luck with your car
Ford does not provide camshaft gear timing marks, or information to perform
timing belt service without the special tools
this is why the dealer wouldn't give you the alignment procedure, cuz you do need the special tool you also need a camshaft alignment tool which stupidly enough looks like just a piece of steel .. lol i highly reccomend you take it to the dealer cuz it isnt as easy as it may seem
although not the answer i was looking for, you gave me enough info to
decide i'll probably just drop another engine into the @!$*&!~ thing.
Mostly because I refuse to give money to ford to "fix" something that they
designed in a manner that a backyard mechanic can't. might cost me a
little bit more, but i'll feel better.
thanks again for all the posts and help.
Okay, just wanted to post a solution in case someone else needs it. What
the Haynes manual refers to as a camshaft tool actually doubles as an
alignment tool. It slips into the right side of the camshafts and there is
only one possible way for it to fit. Once you have the shafts set to where
the tool will go in with the crankshaft set at TDC, the timing is set. No
other adjustments needed. Actually, pretty slick. The only thing that
ticked me off is that my local Ford dealership told me $60 for the tool and
2 to 3 weeks to get it, refused to lend the one they had, even though I
assured them I'd take it Sat afternoon and have it back Monday when they
opened. After some research on the net, I found it for $6.88 from OTC, but
they wouldn't sell it to an individual, only to a "certified automotive
shop." I finally ended up buying it from EToolMart.com for $18. Turns out
the "tool" is nothing more than a flat piece of bar metal, had I known I
could have used a file or something instead.
Anyway, the daughter's car is up and running. Of course, I have to add that my granddaughter is the sweetest, smartest, and loudest little bundle of joy that I have ever seen.
Thanks for all your help and suggestions.