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Old 08-12-2005, 05:09 AM   #1
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Why is this so?

I was racing my friend. Here are the cars.

Me: 1998 Dodge Neon Sport 4-door 2.0L DOHC Inline 4, 150 horsepower 133 pounds of torque 3-speed automatic

Him: 1994 Chevrolet Cavalier RS 2-door 2.2L Inline 4, 120 horsepower, 140 pounds of torque 3-speed automatic

Here is the problem. THE WHOLE TIME WE WERE GOING SIDE BY SIDE AND NOT AN INCH AHEAD OF EACH OTHER AT FULL THROTTLE.

Only tihng i can think of is that my car weighs a lot more and the power to weight ratio on mine and his is the same. That or my car is in a really bad tune. What can i do to fix this I feel dumb being beaten by that car.

and yes i raced on an auto i just wanted to see how my car stacks up to others
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Old 08-12-2005, 05:35 AM   #2
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The reason hes staying with you is because he has the torque that your car doesnt, even if he doesnt have as much horsepower. Plus, the weight is also a factor.

I would put on a cold air intake, and a header and then see what happens.
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Old 08-12-2005, 04:18 PM   #3
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The reason hes staying with you is because he has the torque that your car doesnt, even if he doesnt have as much horsepower. Plus, the weight is also a factor.

I would put on a cold air intake, and a header and then see what happens.

no mods for me
it was in a small lot and i only got up to like 5000 RPM when the car floorshifts ar 6500
so that might be a factor
id get him in the longrun i think
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Old 08-12-2005, 11:25 PM   #4
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I was racing my friend. Here are the cars.

Me: 1998 Dodge Neon Sport 4-door 2.0L DOHC Inline 4, 150 horsepower 133 pounds of torque 3-speed automatic

Him: 1994 Chevrolet Cavalier RS 2-door 2.2L Inline 4, 120 horsepower, 140 pounds of torque 3-speed automatic

Here is the problem. THE WHOLE TIME WE WERE GOING SIDE BY SIDE AND NOT AN INCH AHEAD OF EACH OTHER AT FULL THROTTLE.

Only tihng i can think of is that my car weighs a lot more and the power to weight ratio on mine and his is the same. That or my car is in a really bad tune. What can i do to fix this I feel dumb being beaten by that car.

and yes i raced on an auto i just wanted to see how my car stacks up to others

could be a number of reasons, displacement difference, torque difference, weight difference, gearbox and engine difference, anything could be the reason for it. It could also be because you car might need a tune up or something?

if i was you i'd get an intake and a header and see how ya go.
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Old 08-13-2005, 12:38 AM   #5
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I was racing my friend. Here are the cars.

Me: 1998 Dodge Neon Sport 4-door 2.0L DOHC Inline 4, 150 horsepower 133 pounds of torque 3-speed automatic

Him: 1994 Chevrolet Cavalier RS 2-door 2.2L Inline 4, 120 horsepower, 140 pounds of torque 3-speed automatic

Here is the problem. THE WHOLE TIME WE WERE GOING SIDE BY SIDE AND NOT AN INCH AHEAD OF EACH OTHER AT FULL THROTTLE.

Only tihng i can think of is that my car weighs a lot more and the power to weight ratio on mine and his is the same. That or my car is in a really bad tune. What can i do to fix this I feel dumb being beaten by that car.

and yes i raced on an auto i just wanted to see how my car stacks up to others


Power to weight and gear ratios. Driver skill too maybe?

Torque schmork, how do you know what the torque curve is guys? It could have a very flat curve peaking at 100 ftlbs and still waste a car peaking 150ftlbs.
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Old 08-14-2005, 03:41 AM   #6
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Power to weight and gear ratios. Driver skill too maybe?

Torque schmork, how do you know what the torque curve is guys? It could have a very flat curve peaking at 100 ftlbs and still waste a car peaking 150ftlbs.

what skill
its an automatic
you floor the pedal and just go
i have 133 torque but it doesnt kick in fast
only at like 4000-4500RPM
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what skill
its an automatic
you floor the pedal and just go
i have 133 torque but it doesnt kick in fast
only at like 4000-4500RPM

**** mate, your torque band is TINY!, mines like 2000rpm long, lol.... AND THATS AN EXCEL! ****, i think something could be wrong there?
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Old 08-14-2005, 03:56 AM   #8
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**** mate, your torque band is TINY!, mines like 2000rpm long, lol.... AND THATS AN EXCEL! ****, i think something could be wrong there?

na look it up
its the 2.0L DOHC engine
its supposed to be that way
my thing is
can i increase the torque for really cheap?
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Old 08-14-2005, 09:41 AM   #9
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na look it up
its the 2.0L DOHC engine
its supposed to be that way
my thing is
can i increase the torque for really cheap?

higher compression with better intake... suggestion: CAI, Larger Throttle Body, Larger Fuel Pump, Thicker Head Gaskit and a 2" Borla Exhaust with a Borla Header

that could increase the torque... for fairly cheap...
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what skill
its an automatic
you floor the pedal and just go
i have 133 torque but it doesnt kick in fast
only at like 4000-4500RPM

Well then maybe you should look at your stally too. I'd size it for you, but Oomba and the second smartest guy on the board should be able to do that in a snap for your.
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SHUT THE HELL UP YOU HORNY ASS GOTH SMOKER WEED EATER

thats awesome where do you come up with this stuff? you even got the smilies to flick me off. I think we should start a fan club for Ford Taurus
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