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Imports 0wn American muscle 16 44.44%
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Old 03-02-2004, 10:49 AM   #1
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just for fun... import Vs. American muscle

i havent seen this thread so.. here it is... and if there is one oh well... im all about imports... ive seen boosted civic blow away vettes and mustangs... but civics are in the bottom of the box.. the fact that a 4cylinder can smoke an v8 is amazing... if u know of any American muscle car that can beat a 1350hp skyline let me know??... for all i know there could be an "old school American muscle" car out there... state your opinion why you might think a 1972 z28 would b "better" than a 1998 tt supra

p.s. My friend claims his 72 Z28 camaro put out 350hp because the name of the engine is the 350 or somethin like that... im pretty sure the 72 z28 puts out ~225bhp.. am i right or wrong (stats on the V8 and the V6 would b nice)... and just to add.. 1972 Z28 vs. 300zx Twin Turbo

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i havent seen this thread so.. here it is... and if there is one oh well... im all about imports... ive seen boosted civic blow away vettes and mustangs... but civics are in the bottom of the box.. the fact that a 4cylinder can smoke an v8 is amazing... if u know of any American muscle car that can beat a 1350hp skyline let me know??... for all i know there could be an "old school American muscle" car out there... state your opinion why a 72'z28 would b "better" than a 1998 tt supra
You are right in saying that most Jap imports can smoke V8 American Muscle cars and there's numerous reasons for this the main one being power-weight ratio, most Japanese high perfomance cars, infact most cars in general are alot lighter than American Muscle cars mainly due to what's under the bonnet on the US cars..ie; a V8 is gonna be heavier than a 4 Cylinder motor, another reason is out 'an out power, you're talking about 1350bhp on these Jap cars, most US cars aint tuned at all let alone be that tuned! So the bottom line here is that you could evenly match two cars side by side (Jap and Muscle) with the same output and the Jap car would win hands down. Also, think about the driven wheels, all Muscle cars are RWD so an AWD Skyline with 1350bhp is gonna easily smoke the Muscle car lol..So I voted that Imports own the Muscle cars

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Old 03-02-2004, 02:26 PM   #3
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i havent seen this thread so.. here it is... and if there is one oh well...

Import / Muscle Wars

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if u know of any American muscle car that can beat a 1350hp skyline let me know??...


I already did.
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i seriously thought this war ended a few years ago... maybe that was just in my town
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I don't Know about a 72 camaro,but I've blown away rice mobiles in my 88 ford station wagon. I'm not a chevy fan but a 350 is a damn good engine. I feel that If a car is japanese, Its an oversized Go-Kart.
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Old 03-02-2004, 03:32 PM   #6
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I had to go with the Imports beating the American muscle. I mean everyone has mustangs and corvettes but truly there not as fast as a skyline or many other imports out there. I had to go with the Imports.
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Old 03-02-2004, 04:07 PM   #7
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I vote American muscle because I'd love me some 1969 Camaros! Also I would love my dad's old 1972 Nova SS. 396 V8 MWAHAHAHA!
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i havent seen this thread so.. here it is... and if there is one oh well... im all about imports... ive seen boosted civic blow away vettes and mustangs... but civics are in the bottom of the box.. the fact that a 4cylinder can smoke an v8 is amazing... if u know of any American muscle car that can beat a 1350hp skyline let me know??... for all i know there could be an "old school American muscle" car out there... state your opinion why you might think a 1972 z28 would b "better" than a 1998 tt supra

p.s. My friend claims his 72 Z28 camaro put out 350hp because the name of the engine is the 350 or somethin like that... im pretty sure the 72 z28 puts out ~225bhp.. am i right or wrong (stats on the V8 and the V6 would b nice)... and just to add.. 1972 Z28 vs. 300zx Twin Turbo

Not to mention, if you think total HP is the deciding factor for a car, you're an idiot. Do you have any times for this 1350-hp Skyline? Or are you just getting this out of Gran Turismo 3?
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Gentlemen, let me explain what us Japanese tuners are all about. It is not about the dollar to horsepower ratio. It is about getting a lot from a little. It is about being smarter then the engine and not accepting “there is no replacement for cubic displacement”.

We strive to get 250+ hp per slug. To do so we use technology, and technology, unfortunately, is never cheap. We embrace power adders such as turbochargers, nitrous oxide, and massive intercoolers. We strive to squeeze out every possible horsepower.

For me (just like you VWHOBO, with the bug) it is about the weight of the vehicle. Americans cars with their big blocks need big chassis, this makes for a heavy vehicle. The more mass you have the harder it is to accelerate, decelerate, and turn. A true performance car needs to do far more then just go fast in a straight line.

I also agree that a bug makes for an awesome performance car. It is lightweight, air cooled so there’s no water or radiator to add weight, the flat four is strong easy to work on and has a low center of gravity, and the RWD makes it sweet. All around it can easily become a sports car.

Now the reason you hear so much about the Skyline is because, to us, it is the ultimate car. Sure, it’s heavy, but it only weighs a little over 100 lbs. more then a Vette. And yes, it only has 280 stock horsepower. What is it? The Skyline is an AWD, four wheel steering, car that has nothing less then monstrous potential. A 2.6-liter engine that can produce close to 800 HP w/o internal mods. It's also a car that comes stock with a rear diffuser (first production car to do so). If you would like I could list all of the incredible feature this car has, but this thread is getting long enough. So let me know if you even care, and if so, I will start a new thread.

Remember this; before you guys bash the Civics (a vehicle I could really care less about) remember the bug was the same thing in its day.
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I agree with, understand and support everything you say except;

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Remember this; before you guys bash the Civics (a vehicle I could really care less about) remember the bug was the same thing in its day.

The Bug was, is and will continue to be rather unique. Extremely high tech and well built for it's time and in some ways still high tech. For instance, how many Jap cars, or any other cars for that matter, have a magnesium engine case/block? Not any that I can think of.

A Civic, as good of a car as it is, is not substantially different from a Sentra, Corolla, Mirage, etc. All decent cars but all basically the same. And I for one have never bashed a Civic, only the meatheads who come on here and say things like 'I just bought a Civic and boy is it fast, it's got neon and a fart cannon'. You get the idea.
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And I for one have never bashed a Civic, only the meatheads who come on here and say things like 'I just bought a Civic and boy is it fast, it's got neon and a fart cannon'.


ohh cmon VW, you keep on forgeting all the stickers and the NAWZ! Not to mention the big ass wings on the FWD cars! Man, I really seem to have a hard time letting go of those.
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Oh please!! How the hell could you both forget about the huge wings for the FWD car.
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Gentlemen, let me explain what us Japanese tuners are all about. It is not about the dollar to horsepower ratio. It is about getting a lot from a little. It is about being smarter then the engine and not accepting “there is no replacement for cubic displacement”.

We strive to get 250+ hp per slug. To do so we use technology, and technology, unfortunately, is never cheap. We embrace power adders such as turbochargers, nitrous oxide, and massive intercoolers. We strive to squeeze out every possible horsepower.

For me (just like you VWHOBO, with the bug) it is about the weight of the vehicle. Americans cars with their big blocks need big chassis, this makes for a heavy vehicle. The more mass you have the harder it is to accelerate, decelerate, and turn. A true performance car needs to do far more then just go fast in a straight line.

I also agree that a bug makes for an awesome performance car. It is lightweight, air cooled so there’s no water or radiator to add weight, the flat four is strong easy to work on and has a low center of gravity, and the RWD makes it sweet. All around it can easily become a sports car.

Now the reason you hear so much about the Skyline is because, to us, it is the ultimate car. Sure, it’s heavy, but it only weighs a little over 100 lbs. more then a Vette. And yes, it only has 280 stock horsepower. What is it? The Skyline is an AWD, four wheel steering, car that has nothing less then monstrous potential. A 2.6-liter engine that can produce close to 800 HP w/o internal mods. It's also a car that comes stock with a rear diffuser (first production car to do so). If you would like I could list all of the incredible feature this car has, but this thread is getting long enough. So let me know if you even care, and if so, I will start a new thread.

Remember this; before you guys bash the Civics (a vehicle I could really care less about) remember the bug was the same thing in its day.

So, the Skyline only has 287-hp, eh? Do some more research and get back to me. You think that an AWD car makes a difference? You do realize that AWD doesn't help anywhere but coming out of a corner or on the launch, and even the launch times aren't that much better.

I guess you have failed to realize that the RB26DETT is as big, if not bigger, than your typical LT1 or LS1. Or did you just not care because the Skyline is Japanese?

Another thing, this "technology" you are referring to was out in America LONG before it was ever used in Japan. Remember one thing, the Ford Pinto was beating your average Honda when the Pinto was coming off the line.
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American muscle owns imports. No contest
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Old 03-10-2004, 06:28 AM   #15
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American muscle owns imports. No contest
Newbies . Ok Mr.CFnewbie, You mind backing up your little comment. Try to come up with your own words, dont quote what someone else hase already said.
btw, Do you have a car?
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