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Old 12-22-2005, 05:17 PM   #1
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4g63

we couldn't find an accord yesterday but my dad asked about getting a new motor for my car, i want something better than the regular eclipse motor, with alot more power, how hard would the 4g63 be to install, and what all parts will i need, it is a turbocharged motor, any other suggestions though?
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Old 12-22-2005, 05:49 PM   #2
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What car (specifically) do you currently have?

If you have a '95-'99 Eclipse/Talon that is non-turbo... it's a VERY difficult swap to put a 4G63 in it. Granted, it can be done, and has been done many times. But, you will ultimately spend more doing the swap than you would selling your non-turbo vehicle and purchasing a factory turbo car.
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Old 12-22-2005, 10:19 PM   #3
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What car (specifically) do you currently have?

If you have a '95-'99 Eclipse/Talon that is non-turbo... it's a VERY difficult swap to put a 4G63 in it. Granted, it can be done, and has been done many times. But, you will ultimately spend more doing the swap than you would selling your non-turbo vehicle and purchasing a factory turbo car.
if it is a 420a motor then it will be reallyu hard to put in the 4g63 because the 420a is a USDM motor and everything is on the other side than the 4g63.

But if it is the sohc 4g67 it will not be all that hard since the 4g67 and the 4g63 are both JDM motors.
remember the 4g63's are not DSM motors DSM motors are chrysler
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Old 12-22-2005, 11:24 PM   #4
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remember the 4g63's are not DSM motors DSM motors are chrysler

Um.... yeah... about that.... that's totally wrong. But good try.
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Old 12-22-2005, 11:45 PM   #5
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Um.... yeah... about that.... that's totally wrong. But good try.
ok then you tell me what DSM stands for?
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Old 12-22-2005, 11:57 PM   #6
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Diamond Star Motors, which was a joint venture between Chrysler and Mitsubishi formed somewhere about 1987-1988 (the precise year eludes me), the first vehicle produced under this venture was the 1989 Eagle Talon which was available with a 1.8L SOHC 4G37 motor, or a 2.0L Naturally Aspirated DOHC 4G63, or a turbocharged 2.0L DOHC 4G63. The first time a 420A made its appearance in a DSM vehicle was 1995 in the non turbo Eclipse/Talon vehicles. The 420A was also used in the Dodge/Chrysler Neon, but since it was not produced at the DSM vehicle plant in Normal Illinois the Neon is in no way a DSM vehicle.

The Galant VR-4 is generally considered a DSM vehicle because of the 4G63t/AWD drivetrain, but technically they are not a DSM as they were not produced at the DSM plant in Illinois.

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Old 12-23-2005, 05:49 AM   #7
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if it is a 420a motor then it will be reallyu hard to put in the 4g63 because the 420a is a USDM motor and everything is on the other side than the 4g63.

But if it is the sohc 4g67 it will not be all that hard since the 4g67 and the 4g63 are both JDM motors.
remember the 4g63's are not DSM motors DSM motors are chrysler


This is crap. Just because the steering wheel is on the other side, doesn't mean everything on the engine is on the other side. Just because the 420a and the 4G63 motors MAY have their parts on the opposite sides does not mean all JDM and USDM counterparts have parts opposite. It doesnt freaking matter if the original motor was JDM or USDM, to each vehicle its unique. Look at the 240sx, you can easily drop a SR20 into one of them, but wait! Wasn't the original motor USDM? Doesnt that mean everything is opposite of where it should be? No.

Do you not know about joint alliances? Its not only Chrylser/Mitsubishi. Nissan/GM had a short alliance obvious in the previous generation of Quest vans and it's Mercury counterpart. Toyota/GM alliance existed before Toyota opened up their own plants in North America. Mazda/Ford before Ford bought them out.
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Old 12-23-2005, 11:03 AM   #8
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This is crap. Just because the steering wheel is on the other side, doesn't mean everything on the engine is on the other side. Just because the 420a and the 4G63 motors MAY have their parts on the opposite sides does not mean all JDM and USDM counterparts have parts opposite. It doesnt freaking matter if the original motor was JDM or USDM, to each vehicle its unique. Look at the 240sx, you can easily drop a SR20 into one of them, but wait! Wasn't the original motor USDM? Doesnt that mean everything is opposite of where it should be? No.
Um, actually, the engines do look mirrored.
420A

4G63

Notice the location of the cam gears as well as the direction of the intake manifold/throttle body/air intake.

As far as the 240SX goes, the KA20 engine is mounted vertical because of the RWD, and so is the SR20. It's hard to imagine it reversed.
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What car (specifically) do you currently have?

If you have a '95-'99 Eclipse/Talon that is non-turbo... it's a VERY difficult swap to put a 4G63 in it. Granted, it can be done, and has been done many times. But, you will ultimately spend more doing the swap than you would selling your non-turbo vehicle and purchasing a factory turbo car.

well accually the '95-'99 eclipses/talons came stock with a 4g63 engine. it came in 4 different options: the 1.8 liter and 2.0 liter both nonturbo fwd...they also had the 2.0 liter turbo available in fwd or awd.
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well accually the '95-'99 eclipses/talons came stock with a 4g63 engine. it came in 4 different options: the 1.8 liter and 2.0 liter both nonturbo fwd...they also had the 2.0 liter turbo available in fwd or awd.
not quite correct...

the non-turbo 2g eclipse/talon was a 420a engine. and i've never heard of a 1.8L in '95-'99 eclipse/talon, just in 1994 and before.
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Old 01-04-2006, 02:12 AM   #11
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not quite correct...

the non-turbo 2g eclipse/talon was a 420a engine. and i've never heard of a 1.8L in '95-'99 eclipse/talon, just in 1994 and before.

yeah they did stop making the 1.8 in 94. but it dont matter, it was a peice anyway
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Old 01-04-2006, 03:13 AM   #12
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Old 01-07-2006, 11:10 AM   #13
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Oy Vei .While most of the knowledge is somewhat true, it is by no means conclusive.

Diamond Star Motors was not dissolved in 1993. Diamond Star Motors was officially renamed to Mitsubishi Motor Manufacturing of America, Inc. on July 1, 1995. Chrysler sold the plant in Normal, Illinois to Mitsubishi in 1991. Manufacturing of Chrysler vehicles was after that by contract only. On a further note, you can trace DSM roots all the way to the 1970's. However, the company was officially started in 1985.

When referring to an engine, it is correct and of proper mechanical language to refer to it by its full name. The 4G63 and 4G63T are two completly different motors, period.

The first generation DSM's were offered with a base 92HP(N/A) 1.8L motor, a 135HP(N/A) 4G63 motor, and a 195HP 4G63T(turbo) motor.

The second generation DSM's were offerd with a base 140HP(N/A) 2.0L 420A motor, a 141HP(N/A) 4G64 (Spyder) motor, and a 210HP 4G63T(turbo) motor.

There were no others, and if anyone tells you any different feel free to drop-kick them in their eye socket because they speak lies.

The main question at hand:
Can you swap a 4G63T motor in the chassis of a DSM that previously held the 420A or 4G64? Yes, with time, money, and effort anything can be done. The chassis and engine bay, in relation to size and design structure, are virtually identical. However new mounting points will need to be constructed in order for the new motor to bolt into a safe, secure position. I would suggest sourcing a turbo transmission. Provided you have the correct knowledge, skills, and tools the swap can be done for a little over the price of a full motor with harness and some other additional parts.
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Old 01-04-2006, 03:13 AM   #14
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well accually the '95-'99 eclipses/talons came stock with a 4g63 engine. it came in 4 different options: the 1.8 liter and 2.0 liter both nonturbo fwd...they also had the 2.0 liter turbo available in fwd or awd.

Stop talking for crying out loud. The TURBO '95-'99 Eclipse/Talons came with a 4G63 (our original poster owns a N/T '95-'99... which means it's a 420A)... please read the whole thread before you jump on here and reply some incorrect crap... thanks.

The 1.8L was not available after '94. The N/T cars (GS, RS, ESI) had a 420A motor, the Turbo cars (GST, GSX, TSI) had a 4G63. Now pipe down!
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