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Old 01-26-2006, 03:13 PM   #1
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Angry Hillary...

How does Hillary Rodham Clinton have any credibility with anyone at all?
This article was an inset to an article about Bush’s visit to the NSA in my paper today, it's headline was-
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Sen. Clinton criticizes domestic eavsdropping
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WASHINGTON-Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton called President Bush's explanations for eavesdropping on domestic conversations without warrants "strange" and "far-fetched" Wednesday in blistering criticism ahead of the president's State of the Union address.
"Obviously, I support tracking down terrorists. I think that's our obligation. But I think it can be done in a lawful way," the New York Democrat said. Clinton, a potential 2008 presidential candidate, told reporters she did not yet know whether the administration's eavesdropping without warrants broke any laws. But the senator said she did not buy the White House's main justification for the tactic.
Well here’s what I say about it.
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Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton called President Bush's explanations for eavesdropping on domestic conversations without warrants "strange" and "far-fetched"
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After a tour of the National Security Agency, Bush said employees there who are secretly monitoring phone calls and Internet traffic are learning what terrorists are plotting.
So, it sounds like the NSA is eavesdropping on people in the country to find out what terrorists are up to. What’s so strange and far-fetched about that Senator Clinton? I thought you said we’re obligated to track the terrorists down. Wait, you did. OK, I know you said we’re obligated to.

Moving along now…

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Clinton, a potential 2008 presidential candidate, told reporters she did not yet know whether the administration's eavesdropping without warrants broke any laws.
Please, Senator, even I know that! They do not. Why? Even if there is some law that prohibits the government from eavesdropping on phone calls in the United States, this is war. There are no laws. We can kill people in war can’t we? We can break things that don’t belong to us in war can’t we? Your problem is that you still haven’t realized that this is war, we don’t have to follow our laws! They don’t apply! How can you be so naive??

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But the senator said she did not buy the White House's main justification for the tactic.
Yeah, cause Bush just wants to know who’s house you’re going to for that party Friday night so he can come crash it.

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Old 01-26-2006, 05:05 PM   #2
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Kind of like Kerry, flip-flopping...sadly, I'd still probably vote for her (supposing I could vote), due to the first female president stuff
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Old 01-26-2006, 05:34 PM   #3
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Kind of like Kerry, flip-flopping...sadly, I'd still probably vote for her (supposing I could vote), due to the first female president stuff
...it's like saying the Honda Insight is your favorite car because it was the first mass-market hybird in the US
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Old 01-26-2006, 05:47 PM   #4
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...it's like saying the Honda Insight is your favorite car because it was the first mass-market hybird in the US
That's why I don't vote...and because I can't, but it would be interesting, and probably better than the competition lol...
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Old 01-26-2006, 05:50 PM   #5
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sorry democrats. you're pretty much the largest mass of stupid people i've ever seen in my life. what's your motto? to hell with laws, unless it effects us. THENOMG, WENEEDLAWS. know what senator? i think you're afraid the nsa might just overhear a convo about how you're rigging the election or maybe even about those mysterious deaths in the white house during your term.
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Old 01-26-2006, 06:03 PM   #6
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sorry democrats. you're pretty much the largest mass of stupid people i've ever seen in my life. what's your motto? to hell with laws, unless it effects us. THENOMG, WENEEDLAWS. know what senator? i think you're afraid the nsa might just overhear a convo about how you're rigging the election or maybe even about those mysterious deaths in the white house during your term.
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Old 01-26-2006, 07:40 PM   #7
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I agree with Sen. Clinton on the domestic eavesdropping. She's not saying she disagrees with using this method to track down terrorists, it seems like she just doens't want to give the gov't a carte blanche to monitor whoever they want in whatever way they see fit, or set a precedent of using this type of monitoring without restraint. Use the technology if we got it b/c tracking terrorists is a huge priority, but do it in a way that safeguards the privacy and freedom of average citizens. Succesful monitoring and protecting privacy are NOT mutually exclusive.
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Old 01-26-2006, 07:52 PM   #8
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It's easy to pass judgement when you aren't the one affected by it. Would you still feel the same way about the government if they had singled you out and thought you were a terrorist, simply because of your decent, your religeon, your skin color? Would you have felt the same way if they arrested you and questioned you for hours simply because they tapped into your phone conversations and you said something that they took to be a threat against the government (whether it be true or taken out of context)? I find it funny that they were so quick to impeach President Clinton, but President Bush has pretty much gotten away with murder and not a thing has been done. It was an immoral and corrupt way of going about it. They could have gotten permission, but chose not to because "I'm the president, I rule all, I govern all, I own all." It's time to stand up and tell your government this country was built on freedom. Freedom of speech, freedom of religeon and freedom to live any damn way I choose to live without fear of reprimand. One day you will understand we ALL have rights in this country and the government chose to violate those rights.
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Old 01-27-2006, 12:11 AM   #9
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Kind of like Kerry, flip-flopping...sadly, I'd still probably vote for her (supposing I could vote), due to the first female president stuff

Thats got to be the most ignorant thing I have ever heard you say.
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Great, Bush supporters here. Guess what, everything he does isnt right.

This whole phone tapping thing sounds familiar... "watergate" comes to mind for some odd reason. Of course that was when people actually cared about their civil rights.
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Great, Bush supporters here. Guess what, everything he does isnt right.

This whole phone tapping thing sounds familiar... "watergate" comes to mind for some odd reason. Of course that was when people actually cared about their civil rights.


first, i am not a bush supporter, and second, ive been saying that the whole time! if they want something done, see what the people think about changing the rights, if people dont want it done, then dont friggen do it
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Great, Bush supporters here. Guess what, everything he does isnt right.

This whole phone tapping thing sounds familiar... "watergate" comes to mind for some odd reason. Of course that was when people actually cared about their civil rights.
I know everyhitng he does isn't right, I already said that he's an idiot when it comes to immigration.

Watergate is completely different. It's like comparing an apple to a computer desk. That was the Republican party tapping the phone lines of Dem. party leaders to spy on them, not the CIA tapping a phone line to prevent another attack.
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I know everyhitng he does isn't right, I already said that he's an idiot when it comes to immigration.

Watergate is completely different. It's like comparing an apple to a computer desk. That was the Republican party tapping the phone lines of Dem. party leaders to spy on them, not the CIA tapping a phone line to prevent another attack.

Exactly.
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I know everyhitng he does isn't right, I already said that he's an idiot when it comes to immigration.

Watergate is completely different. It's like comparing an apple to a computer desk. That was the Republican party tapping the phone lines of Dem. party leaders to spy on them, not the CIA tapping a phone line to prevent another attack.

You have to understand liberals sometimes like to interpret the constitution loosely to fit their agenda (see abortion, apparently a baby inside the womb is part of the womans body and her "Right" to have an abortion is protected by the right to privacy amendment...) and sometimes in this case strictly to fit their agenda (apparently the government is NEVER EVER allowed to get a little more info than they were before even if it's for a good cause like preventing terrorist attacks), both extremists on both sides do this. Very eloquently sometimes too.
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Great, Bush supporters here. Guess what, everything he does isnt right.

This whole phone tapping thing sounds familiar... "watergate" comes to mind for some odd reason. Of course that was when people actually cared about their civil rights.

Except those were for different reasons. Such as to gain an advantage over another party where as here we are trying to prevent terrorism. Great analogy there. No shit everything he does isn't right but so far I have agreed more so with what he has done, than haven't.
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