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Old 07-25-2006, 06:22 PM   #1
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Angry What does look like to you Israel's assaults to the Lebanon?

In my opinion, Israel this one killing civil many people in the Lebanon.

It is not possible to compare the Islamic terrorism, with a nation so powerful as Israel.

For what USA not act? And for this. The Zionist power is so big in the World.

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Old 07-25-2006, 06:23 PM   #2
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Israel is destroying a threat to its citizen's safety. That's how I see, nothing else if you ask me. I think it's great what they're doing and that we (USA) could learn a lesson.
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Old 07-25-2006, 06:28 PM   #3
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Israel is destroying a threat to its citizen's safety. That's how I see, nothing else if you ask me. I think it's great what they're doing and that we (USA) could learn a lesson.

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Old 07-25-2006, 06:32 PM   #4
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Were Iraq, Vietnam also threats?
North Korea, is not it now a threat?

Let's not forget that the Jews occupied a few areas that were not his.

Unfortunately, the Zionist power is very strong in the Government of Bush.

I want the peace.
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Were Iraq, Vietnam also threats?
North Korea, is not it now a threat?

Let's not forget that the Jews occupied a few areas that were not his.

Unfortunately, the Zionist power is very strong in the Government of Bush.

I want the peace.

I think you don't know much about the history of the area. that area was ORIGINALLY Jewish, before Muslims existed, thousands of years ago. But more importantly, that area was under the control of the Turks and the Ottoman Empire for hundreds of years. When the Turkish empire was defeated, the area was then owned by teh French and British. Before WWI, NONE Of the nations of the Middle East east of the Suez existed. NONE. They were all part of the Ottoman Empire. The league of nations (in the 1920) divided up the area of the Turkish Empire known as Palestine into a French controlled area Known as Syria) and a British controlled area (known as Palestine). The area called palestine then was mostly swamp.

The British altered that mandate in 1923, to create a Palestinian nation and a Jewish nation. The Palestinian nation was Transjordan, the Jewish nation was Palestine. After WWII the UN partitioned the land again. It was partitioned to match population concentrations, and to make as few people move from one place to the other as possible. Additionally, Jerusalem was an international city, available to all worshipers.

The day Israel, in full accord with the UN partition, declared its independence, it was attacked by all the surrounding Arab countries. It damn near lost and got wiped off the map. But it didn't. However, Jordan took over Jerusalem. From 1948 to 1967, Jews were not allowed to visit their most holy sites. They were not allowed into the city. Ancient Jewish grave stones were used by the Jordanian Army to build latrines along the Wailing Wall.


You're completely misinformed if you think that history started in '67 when Israel took BACK Gaza. . When Moshe Dayan entered Jerusalem one of the first things he did was order the control of the al Aqsa (sp?) Mosque returned to the Imams. From that time on Muslims were allowed in. Further, many Palestinians within Israel proper are Israeli citizens. In '73, the Arabs attacked again, once more intent upon the utter destruction of the Jewish State. They failed. Israel took the Sinai peninsula and both sides of the Canal. A few years later, when Egypt entered into a real peace treaty, it gave it back. If Hamas and Hezbollah put their guns down tommorow, the fighting would stop. If Israel put down their guns tommorow, there would be more rockets hitting Haifa. It's really that simple.

You see this as aggression by Israel and some Zionist force in charge of the Bush administration, merely for reserving the right to self defense! Hell, you seem to be applauding the idea of stripping from Israel, and only Israel, that right.

There were no Arab nations there before Israel was created, no Arab lands were taken to create Israel, and most of teh palestinians that are in the area descended from arabs/turks brought in during that time to have jobs reclaiming the land (much of it was swampy), and would not have been in the area had not the nation of Israel been created there.

Israel has been defending itself against attacks since it was created, even though, as a nation, it NEVER was the cause of the problem, nor did Israel as a nation take anything from anyone until AFTER it was attacked in '48.

And EVERY time it has backed off and done exactly what the UN asks of it, it gets attacked AGAIN.

Israel basically did exactly what had been demanded of them for so long, when they pulled out of Gaza. And what did this act of appeasement do? It emboldened the terrorists, and not much else. It made them figure that Israel was weak, and it caused them to act even more aggressively. Of course, a whole hell of a lot of us have been pointing out how blindingly obvious the results of "negotiating" and "peace talks" are when one side is blindly bent on annihilating the other, and is obviously not an honest broker.

The world is finally beginning to wake up and are no longer acting with instant anti-Israeli sentiment every time they look at the conflict. They're finally realizing - as if there weren't enough historical lessons to make it obvious - that APPEASEMENT DOESN'T WORK, and all it does is postpone the military conflict and usually makes it worse than it would've been otherwise. And they're finally waking up to the fact that the Palestinians may not be the poor anguished victims of Western civilization they've fantasized all along.

Israel is NOT the problem!
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Old 07-25-2006, 07:36 PM   #6
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If the Hezbolla didn't put it's military operations in Civilian centers, if they didn't use civilians as a sheild, there would be far fewer civilan casualties. Israel COULD just carpet bomb them, but they are specifically attacking Hezbolla and Hamas military personnel. At the very least the IDF is attempting to minimize civilian casualties as opposed to Hezbolla and Hamas with their unguided rocket and mortar attacks.
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Old 07-25-2006, 07:39 PM   #7
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If the Hezbolla didn't put it's military operations in Civilian centers, if they didn't use civilians as a sheild, there would be far fewer civilan casualties. Israel COULD just carpet bomb them, but they are specifically attacking Hezbolla and Hamas military personnel. At the very least the IDF is attempting to minimize civilian casualties as opposed to Hezbolla and Hamas with their unguided rocket and mortar attacks.
Wait a minute buddy. You're dealing in facts. We can't have that in this thread. Are you part of the Zionist power?
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In my opinion, Israel this one killing civil many people in the Lebanon.

It is not possible to compare the Islamic terrorism, with a nation so powerful as Israel.

For what USA not act? And for this. The Zionist power is so big in the World.

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1. You seem, like many liberals and non-Jewish middle easterners, to be overlooking a few facts. Who is is for years that has been dropping bombs across the border into Isreal while breaking UN sanctions to do so? Who is it who has gone across the border into Isreal to kidnap military AND civlian personell? Who is it that has made it very clear that their objective is to wipe Ireal ans all Jews off the map? If you answered Lebanon and more specifically Hezbollah, you would be correct.

2. Let's look quickly at another assertion of yours. There are approximately 1.3 billion Islamists in the world, yet there are only 14 million Judaists. How do you propose that "the Zionist power is so big"? The numbers just don't add up.

3. Why is it that the "government of Bush" is to blame? Why is it the job of the USA to make everything right... As long as in doing so you get what you want?
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Old 07-27-2006, 02:33 PM   #9
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Israel has taken crap for so many years, they are pretty much entitled to castrate every islamic male, and kill every woman. How can you say that its not fair, when they were the ones terrorized for so long
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Old 07-27-2006, 02:48 PM   #10
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Israel has taken crap for so many years, they are pretty much entitled to castrate every islamic male, and kill every woman. How can you say that its not fair, when they were the ones terrorized for so long

sorry, i couldn't get ur point
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Old 07-27-2006, 02:54 PM   #11
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Lebanon Two Weeks On

*Three airports bombed
*62 bridges destroyed
*Three dams and ports hit
*5,000 homes damaged

source:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5219360.stmv

Summary of the main Lebanese infrastructure damaged by Israeli bombing in the two weeks since the conflict began on 12 July, according to the Lebanese Ministry of Social Affairs.
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Old 07-27-2006, 02:59 PM   #12
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How UN Lebanon post was bombed

The report says there was fierce fighting in the area for about six hours before the post was hit, during which time UN personnel contacted the Israel military 10 times, urging them to stop firing.

Our correspondent says the UN claims that after each call, it was assured the firing would stop.

source:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5216230.stm
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Old 07-28-2006, 04:38 AM   #13
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Yeah, it's war. Do you know what the point of war is? To kill enemies and break their things. That's exactly what's happening. (It's unfortunate that innocent people are harmed, but it's an unavoidable thing) If you have a problem with it you're-
A. Pacifist
B. Stupid
C. Biased

Take your pick...But I think we all already know which one it is.
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Old 07-28-2006, 04:56 AM   #14
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And israel should damage another 3 times that for what they had to endure for years and years...even hundreds of years ago.
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:21 AM   #15
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And israel should damage another 3 times that for what they had to endure for years and years...even hundreds of years ago.


Man, you are ****ing retarded. That's exactly how wars are started in the first place, and it only gets worse and worse.

And if you feel that way, then maybe the Native Americans should rise up, and start killing White Americans, and driving them from their homes.
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