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Old 07-19-2004, 05:24 AM   #1
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Who says there is'nt an American import killer?

I just felt like bringing this car up because I think its so damn cool. That kick ass car would have to be the Cadillac CTS-V.

5.7L LS6 V8 400 HP engine...Tremec T-56 6-Speed manual...Brembo Brakes w/14-in. rotors. But at a $50,000 price tag, this bad boy aint for amatuers. Made to compete with all M series and AMG's alike. The CTS-V is one bad mother... well you know where I was getting to with that one. I did'nt pick of my monthly copy of Car&Driver. So I'm a little hazy on the stats of the car.(i.e. 0-60, 1/4, skidpad, slalom, braking distance, etc..) So yeah, post up some feedback.



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Old 07-19-2004, 02:52 PM   #2
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not my cup of tea. i never have been a fan of caddilac's arts&science theme, this car only strenghtens my disposition.

The engine seems to be the same as the one in the C6
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Old 07-19-2004, 03:36 PM   #3
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I wouldn't call this car an import killer. It doesn't out-perform any of it's competition.

Cadillac CTS-V
Horsepower: 400 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 395 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm
0-60 mph: 5.2 sec
0-100 mph: 12.2 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.7 sec @ 107 mph
Skidpad: .90g
Braking, 60-0 mph: 118 ft
Slalom Speed: 66.1 mph

COMPETITION

Mercedes-Benz E 55 AMG
Horsepower: 469 bhp @ 6100 rpm
Torque: 516 lb-ft @ 2650-4500 rpm
0-60 mph: 4.3 sec
0-100 mph: 9.9 sec
Quarter Mile: 12.5 sec @ 116 mph
Skidpad: .83g
Braking, 60-0 mph: 123 ft
Slalom Speed: 63.7 mph

Audi RS6
Horsepower: 450 bhp @ 5700 rpm
Torque: 415 lb-ft @ 1950 rpm
0-60 mph: 4.4 sec
0-100 mph: 10.7 sec
Quarter Mile: 12.8 sec @ 108 mph
Skidpad: .88g
Braking, 60-0 mph: 118 ft
Slalom Speed: 66.5 mph

2005 BMW M5
Type: V10
Displacement: 5000 cc
Horsepower: 507 bhp @ 7750 rpm
Torque: 383 lb-ft @ 6100 rpm
Redline: 8250 rpm
0-60: ?
?
?

The Cadillac CTS-V out-handles it's current competition, but BMW is expected to out-handle and out-accelerate everything in it's class with the introduction of the next generation M5.

As you can see, the Z06 engine that is powering the CTS-V isn't strong enough to make the Cadillac quicker than it's competition.

In it's current state, the CTS-V is no "import killer". But Cadillac is supposedly planning to upgrade the car so that it can better compete in it's class.

There is hope...
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Old 07-19-2004, 04:16 PM   #4
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i honestly started reading, and i was expecting to see comparisons from a lower class, like SRT-4's vs RSX and something like that.

guess not :P

still, those M5's are monsters. they should bother bringing back the M6 and all the other dead M's
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Old 07-19-2004, 05:13 PM   #5
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What, those are not the cars that this vehicle is competing with. Try the Audi S4, Jaguar S-Type R, MB C32 AMG, Volvo S60R, BMW M3, etc.
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Old 07-19-2004, 06:28 PM   #6
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What, those are not the cars that this vehicle is competing with. Try the Audi S4, Jaguar S-Type R, MB C32 AMG, Volvo S60R, BMW M3, etc.

That's what I used to say when I first heard of the CTS-V, but Cadillac insist that the CTS-V be compared to the mid-size high-performance luxury sedans such as the M5 and E55 AMG. If you don't believe me, you can check all of the car magazine reviews, and notice how they call it an "M5 Fighter" and they compare it to the E class, RS6 and M5. Maybe this was done because the STS wasn't yet produced.

But anyway, this is what magazines had to say about the CTS-V when comparing it to it's competition:

Motor Trend:
"America's bargain-priced M5"
" Like the BMW M5, the CTS-V's ride quality is good..."
"The CTS-V most wants to be like the M5.."

Car and Driver
"The CTS-V promises to challenge super-sedans such as the BMW M5."

Road and Track
"GM's Performance Division has indeed transformed this Cadillac into an American M5 fighter"
"you're getting BMW M5 performance at a savings of about 30 grand."

That's why I compared the CTS-V to the E 55 AMG and M5.
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Old 07-19-2004, 09:07 PM   #7
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I was reading a comparison in a magazine of a CTS-V, M3, and an M5, and it seemed to compete better with the M3. And I always thought the CTS was aimed toward the 3-Series, A4, etc...
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Old 07-20-2004, 01:20 AM   #8
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That's why I compared the CTS-V to the E 55 AMG and M5.

That explains it. I suppose caddy did aim too high. Hopefully the STS has what it takes to challenge the next gen M5.
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Old 04-14-2005, 03:55 AM   #9
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I wouldn't call this car an import killer. It doesn't out-perform any of it's competition.

Cadillac CTS-V
Horsepower: 400 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 395 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm
0-60 mph: 5.2 sec
0-100 mph: 12.2 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.7 sec @ 107 mph
Skidpad: .90g
Braking, 60-0 mph: 118 ft
Slalom Speed: 66.1 mph

COMPETITION

Mercedes-Benz E 55 AMG
Horsepower: 469 bhp @ 6100 rpm
Torque: 516 lb-ft @ 2650-4500 rpm
0-60 mph: 4.3 sec
0-100 mph: 9.9 sec
Quarter Mile: 12.5 sec @ 116 mph
Skidpad: .83g
Braking, 60-0 mph: 123 ft
Slalom Speed: 63.7 mph

Audi RS6
Horsepower: 450 bhp @ 5700 rpm
Torque: 415 lb-ft @ 1950 rpm
0-60 mph: 4.4 sec
0-100 mph: 10.7 sec
Quarter Mile: 12.8 sec @ 108 mph
Skidpad: .88g
Braking, 60-0 mph: 118 ft
Slalom Speed: 66.5 mph

2005 BMW M5
Type: V10
Displacement: 5000 cc
Horsepower: 507 bhp @ 7750 rpm
Torque: 383 lb-ft @ 6100 rpm
Redline: 8250 rpm
0-60: ?
?
?

The Cadillac CTS-V out-handles it's current competition, but BMW is expected to out-handle and out-accelerate everything in it's class with the introduction of the next generation M5.

As you can see, the Z06 engine that is powering the CTS-V isn't strong enough to make the Cadillac quicker than it's competition.

In it's current state, the CTS-V is no "import killer". But Cadillac is supposedly planning to upgrade the car so that it can better compete in it's class.

There is hope...


Couldn't have put it better myself
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Old 07-19-2004, 10:05 PM   #10
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Technically, yes, the CTS-V is in the same class as the M3. But most agree that potential CTS-V customers are also considering an M5.

But yes, "technically", the CTS-V competes with the M3. But you'll have to search hard to find a direct comparison to a car in it's class.
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Old 07-20-2004, 10:59 AM   #11
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I heard that exactly this car where designed to meet the european taste too, and definite know that this Caddy will be officially sold in Germany and other countries on the "continent" too.
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Old 07-20-2004, 02:16 PM   #12
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Super V! Spy shooters uncover dazzling, 600-hp CTS prototype

By AUTOWEEK

Even the spy shooters were dumbfounded by this dazzler from Cadillac. Many dubbed it CTS-V Plus, only to retract that information, noting the presence of a hood scoop on a car with no superchargers or turbos in its future must mean it is merely a CTS test mule. Our sources beg to differ, however.

We’re told this beast is the forerunner for the maximum General Motors Performance Division Caddy, the CTS-V Plus. Available direct from GM for about $65,000, Super V features a 600-hp engine, carbon fiber hood and fenders, and that scoop for getting more cooling air in and around the engine bay.

Once GM engineers get done running the Nürburgring, they’ll get down to the business of building just 500 limited-edition Super Vs.





This car has been testing at the Nurburgring, as well as the 700 hp STS-V Plus



This is the car GM wants to put up against the M5 and AMG.


Something interesting to contemplate, however... Bob Lutz was instrumental in getting BMW's M Division created when he was working for BMW in the '70s. Now he's in charge of gunning for the M Division at GM...
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I might be mistaken, but wasn't Bob Lutz the same man who worked for Ford (i believe in the Lincoln/Mercury division) and later in Chrysler with Iacoca (sp?) in the 80s?
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The CTS-V was aimed to be the M3 of the Cadillac team. Magazines just compare the CTS-V to the 2000 M5 for "ooh's" and "aaah's".
Do you remember when I argued with your dumbass about this in this SAME thread? But wait, your argument was different then. Remember, you were like.."the CTS-V is comparable to the M5"...and I was like..."no, the M3 is in the CTS-V's class"..and you were like..."well, blah blah blah...but the new STS-V is going to supposedly have 500-600+HP.." and I was like.."shut up bitch you don't know what you're talking about..."

You still haven't shut up, but I'm glad you realised you were wrong. By the way, the new STS-V makes 440 hp...about 67 less than the new M5. Boy oh boy, the BMW sure is something, right? That M5 is amazing..."talk about setting new standards..."

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Old 04-18-2005, 09:06 PM   #15
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Do you remember when I argued with your dumbass about this in this SAME thread? But wait, your argument was different then. Remember, you were like.."the CTS-V is comparable to the M5"...and I was like..."no, the M3 is in the CTS-V's class"..and you were like..."well, blah blah blah...but the new STS-V is going to supposedly have 500-600+HP.." and I was like.."shut up bitch you don't know what you're talking about..."

You still haven't shut up, but I'm glad you realised you were wrong. By the way, the new STS-V makes 440 hp...about 67 less than the new M5. Boy oh boy, the BMW sure is something, right? That M5 is amazing..."talk about setting new standards..."

Side-switching bitch.

Comparable: Able to be compared.

A rock is comparable to a CTS-V. Hmmm... side switching? I think not...
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