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Old 08-01-2007, 06:58 PM   #1
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Alright I'm currently driving a 2000 Ford ZX2 I got right before my senior year in HS. Its got about 75,000 miles on it, and I'm looking to get rid of it.I don't race or anything like that, and use the car basically for everyday purposes. Im considering the following.

2004 Infiniti G35 Sedan 27,500 miles $24,000
2006 Pontiac GTO 15,700 Miles $25,000
2007 Ford Mustang GT 10,000 Miles $26,000
2007 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT 15,700 Miles $22,000


2007 Ford Mustang V6 17,000 Miles $17,000

Obviously the first 4 are a step above the last one, But is the difference between them really worth $8,000? Any additional help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Old 08-08-2007, 10:22 PM   #2
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i'd go with the mustang or the GTO..


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Old 08-08-2007, 11:38 PM   #3
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If you're not into racing or anything, I don't see why you're looking at these particular cars. You're paying a higher price on the car, higher insurance, and paying more for gas when it doesn't seem like you'll be using the performance. Me, I'd go for a GTO, even though that price seems high seeing as dealerships around here are asking 28K for brand-spanking-new ones.
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:42 PM   #4
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gotta love the new GTO. 2006 is best year too
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Old 08-14-2007, 10:06 PM   #5
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I agree with what giant016 says.. as in if you just need a box thats going to get you from point A to point B... you should just get a corola or something... good gas milige... cheap insurance.. low theft rate.. and cops don't pull you over as often..

but looking at the cars that you have chosen looks like you dont care about the price that much and you want a sporty car for its looks... I would say go for the G35..

GTO might be cool looking and a bit faster.. but after all it's a GM which means its a gas eating unreliable monster.. which is going to start falling appart once you have around 60+k miles on it.
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:00 AM   #6
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GTO might be cool looking and a bit faster.. but after all it's a GM which means its a gas eating unreliable monster.. which is going to start falling appart once you have around 60+k miles on it.
Hmm...LS1 F-bodies can get 30mpg. Show me an import that gets that mileage, has a back seat and 350hp stock that can touch that. There won't be many, and they probably won't be nearly as cheap. The LS2 GTO has 400hp, and is 28K. How much is a new stock import going to cost with that much hp? I can't think of any for under 50K. So unless you manage to rack up 22K more in repair bills, it seems like you're coming out ahead.

You need to stop blindly following stereotypes. The LS engines are some of the most reliable performance engines around. You can easily make 500hp without a turbo or supercharger, and the block and internals will probably still be fine. Put 500hp into a Civic engine and we'll see if Honda reliability holds true.
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:31 AM   #7
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Hmm...LS1 F-bodies can get 30mpg. Show me an import that gets that mileage, has a back seat and 350hp stock that can touch that. There won't be many, and they probably won't be nearly as cheap. The LS2 GTO has 400hp, and is 28K. How much is a new stock import going to cost with that much hp? I can't think of any for under 50K. So unless you manage to rack up 22K more in repair bills, it seems like you're coming out ahead.

first of all 2006 GTO doesn't get 30 mpg
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2006/pon...543/specs.html

Curb Weight: 3725 lbs.
Manual: 17 mpg / 25 mpg Automatic: : 16 mpg / 21 mpg

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You need to stop blindly following stereotypes. The LS engines are some of the most reliable performance engines around. You can easily make 500hp without a turbo or supercharger, and the block and internals will probably still be fine. Put 500hp into a Civic engine and we'll see if Honda reliability holds true.

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I am not exactly sure what do you base your opinion on when you say that LS engines are some of most reliable performance engines

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the car is not only about engine.. there is transmission and other parts besides powertrain.. also if the pontiac wasn't that heavy it wouldn't need 350HP to move it.. also when buying a car you need to think about its resale value

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Old 08-15-2007, 04:24 AM   #8
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Mine is a DD. This tank of gas = 18.9 mpg City. I average over 25 on the hwy. It all depends on the driver to be honest, the same can be said with most any car.

As far as the price of the goat, you should be able to get a little better price than that, but good luck
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Old 08-15-2007, 04:39 AM   #9
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first of all 2006 GTO doesn't get 30 mpg
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2006/pon...543/specs.html

Curb Weight: 3725 lbs.
Manual: 17 mpg / 25 mpg Automatic: : 16 mpg / 21 mpg


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I am not exactly sure what do you base your opinion on when you say that LS engines are some of most reliable performance engines

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the car is not only about engine.. there is transmission and other parts besides powertrain.. also if the pontiac wasn't that heavy it wouldn't need 350HP to move it.. also when buying a car you need to think about its resale value

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Re-read my post. LS1s can get 30mpg. LS2s cannot. 17/25 is still impressive to me seeing as it's a roomy car with 400hp.

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Although I'm not into the "scene" too much, I run across a lot of heavily modded cars. I have never heard of an LS1 owner having problems with the stock internals at 500-600hp. Import guys are constantly complaining about breaking stuff, especially DSM guys.

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Engine and powertrain stuff are #1 priority to me. I'll take a window motor breaking on me if it means getting a fast car cheap. I'm not going to argue that the GTO isn't heavy, but if it were a 2seater it wouldn't be a GTO. It's a fast car that is practical. If anything I'll bet a new GTO will have better resale than a G35. Normal American cars tend to have crappy resale. Usually not true for American performance.
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Old 08-16-2007, 04:45 PM   #10
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GTO might be cool looking and a bit faster.. but after all it's a GM which means its a gas eating unreliable monster.. which is going to start falling appart once you have around 60+k miles on it.

Thats very misguided, ignorant, and rude. Not all GM's are unreliable, actually the majority aren't. The LS engine is one of the best engines out there right now. They make some of the most fuel efficent vehicles for the power produced. 400hp and 25mpg is phenomenal. The G35 is getting maybe 1 or 2 points better on the highway, but has 100hp less and probably 150lbft less of torque. Having owned both imports and domestics, I appreciate both, but to say a modern GM is going to fall apart by 60k, consume and be unreliable, is extremely biased and only showcases your misunderstanding of the modern automobile.

To respond to the original question though. I would skip on the Mustang 26k for a car you can get new for 25k is kind of steep. The GTO is a good year and probably a pretty good deal. The eclipse is FWD and in my opinion not a contender. I would consider seriously the G35 though as well as the GTO. I don't like the lines of the G35 sedan, I like the coupe, and they will only go down in price now that the G37's are coming out. Maybe a BMW or a Lexus might be a consideration too?
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Old 08-16-2007, 05:37 PM   #11
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Thats very misguided, ignorant, and rude. Not all GM's are unreliable, actually the majority aren't. The LS engine is one of the best engines out there right now. They make some of the most fuel efficent vehicles for the power produced. 400hp and 25mpg is phenomenal. The G35 is getting maybe 1 or 2 points better on the highway, but has 100hp less and probably 150lbft less of torque. Having owned both imports and domestics, I appreciate both, but to say a modern GM is going to fall apart by 60k, consume and be unreliable, is extremely biased and only showcases your misunderstanding of the modern automobile.

what do you base your statement that it is one of the best engines out there? do you really think that 66.7 HP per litre is impressive? it makes 400 HP but out of 6 litre engine that does not impress me much. as to it's reliability I AM VERY skeptical about it.
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Old 08-16-2007, 06:19 PM   #12
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Damn Giant don't you know it I got a boost leak right now and I need to replace my thermostat. Your also right on the being pulled over part. My gsx runs no muffler and I have cops constantly tailgate me through my neighborhood just waiting for the slightest mishap for me to do. I even got pulled over last night for a busted headlight yet I see cops pass by drivers at night with no headlights and they drive away with no pullover whatsoever.
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Damn Giant don't you know it I got a boost leak right now and I need to replace my thermostat. Your also right on the being pulled over part. My gsx runs no muffler and I have cops constantly tailgate me through my neighborhood just waiting for the slightest mishap for me to do. I even got pulled over last night for a busted headlight yet I see cops pass by drivers at night with no headlights and they drive away with no pullover whatsoever.

hey it's not the worst that can happen.. I have been pulled over for driving to carefully. I was doing 35 on a 45 ZONE.
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what do you base your statement that it is one of the best engines out there? do you really think that 66.7 HP per litre is impressive? it makes 400 HP but out of 6 litre engine that does not impress me much. as to it's reliability I AM VERY skeptical about it.

I don't give a flying f*ck about hp/liter. That is ricer math. Useless. I don't think GM even tries to make cars that have a high hp/liter ratio. Horsepower per dollar is a lot more important to me.

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hey it's not the worst that can happen.. I have been pulled over for driving to carefully. I was doing 35 on a 45 ZONE.
That's understandable as it is pretty suspicious.
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Old 08-16-2007, 10:32 PM   #15
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I don't give a flying f*ck about hp/liter. That is ricer math. Useless. I don't think GM even tries to make cars that have a high hp/liter ratio. Horsepower per dollar is a lot more important to me.

GM doesn't make high Hp/litre engines because they can't afford to raise the compression that much it will blow the motor to pieces. and hp/litre tells you about efficiency.. and by the way Horsepower per dollar is a redneck talk. also you don't need 400 horses if your car isn't 4000 lbs.. unless you are drag racing.. and drag racing is stupid anyhow...


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That's understandable as it is pretty suspicious.

suspicious or not I was doing nothing wrong...
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