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Old 05-09-2004, 10:56 AM   #46
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there not that unreliable actually, its more they had a run of bad parts with a run of sheer incompatance in relation to cooling system.

The reason why we have so many K series, is easy, go back to 1990 and you find me a stock 1.4 engine that gives you 110+bhp. Even look for an all alloy engine? its not going to happen the only one around is the k series. For all of you who dont understand or dont like efi then jump ship now. But if i have a little sports car like a elise for example and i want to take it to the shops ocationally i dont want peaky high revs with mid range torque loss. If im going to a track day then its another matter. So you take your laptop along to the track day and plug it in, takes 5 mins to load the new map and your sorted. when youwant to drive home same process in reverse. just like want to do a hill climb then you can chnge it again.

Cooling systems.
well lets look at what these thing mainlyover heat in, bearing in mind all engines if stood still long enough will. well we have the freelander, how oftern do you see them stuck in traffic and when was the last time you 1 off road.

then we have the mg, same old problems, mid engined cooling systems are the bane of many a engineers life.

Now the rover range, it has problem, and im not just talking about the engines in this case. how do you get the power and the cooling? well its expensive and not just that its difficult to do for typical M6 or M25 driving, stop start stationary. second gear is the holy grail. Who needs a gym when you got a Z28 with a manual box in traffic, this is the point where i wish i hadnt removed the power steering its like driving a 1950's dumper truck with a 10" steering wheel.

tale for another day.

I personally like the K series, it isnt the top of the tree now, but it served us in motorsport well for 10 years. now there are other engines around, the duratec for example looks like a intersting propsition, especially as it will mate to a MT75/ type 9 gearbox.

there is also the toyota and honda engines which are promising but rear wheel drive looks challenging to achive with out stripping one sports car to create another.

If in 1998 you can find me an engine that i can cheeply mate to a cheap RWD Gearbox, and get 100bhp/ litre with less than £1000, and offers all this at under 45kg/ 100 horses then please do. But K series anyday of the week.

Zetec i here you cry well you try geting a 1.8 or 2litre Zetec to thosepower levels and you will be in the 4-6k mark.

BTW, if you fit a race spec gasket it will be 3 times the price but last the life of the car, and when you are talking £250 labour then whats £80.






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Yes, that's very true. Here's a prime example, Rover's K-Series engine, all of them, from 1.4litre - 2.0litre were probably the most unreliable engine ever. The really strange thing is, that these engines were one of the most comonly used units, I mean, they were used in all Rover branded cars from the early '90's through to the present day. They were used in the Rover 200 - 800 series and all new models for exampl, the Rover 25 - 75, Land Rover Freelander, Lotus Elise (Euro spec only), Lotus or Caterham7's and some Aerial Atom's..oh, and Westfields too. There were probably loads more, I just cant think right now. Anyway, my point is, that these engines are sooo unreliable, It has been known to suffer head gasket problems from as early on as 10,000 miles and over heating is also a big issue (often the reason, but not always, for head gasket failer). So, that's Rovers for ya (and also why I hate them lol). TVR are also very unreliable cars
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Old 05-09-2004, 11:06 AM   #47
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When did ur Mrs last check the coolant levels in her car???
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Old 06-08-2004, 08:39 PM   #48
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Thanks for all of that cinqyg atleast you know what you are talking about and dont want to bitch all the time unlike other people
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Old 06-23-2004, 12:48 AM   #49
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List of German Car Makers

OK, as I am from Germany, I will try now to put a list of German Car Builders together! If I miss one please shout out loud, so that I will hear it here in Germany!

There we go:

Audi
Volkswagen
Opel
Mercedes-Benz
BMW
Porsche
Wiesmann
Karmann (remember the Karmann-Ghia)
Maybach
Isdera
Smart
AS


Truck and Bus makers:

Mercedes-Benz
MAN
Neoplan
Kaesbohrer


Then there are also a lot of famous Tuners such as:

Alpina
Irmscher
Startech
Brabus
AMG
RUF
AC Schnitzer
ABT
Mantzel
Zender
Zakspeed
Kamei
Oettinger
Steffan
Wolf
Carlssson
Lorinser
(surely there are a lot more)

The same with German firms known for making Car parts:

Bosch
Ate
INA-Kugelfischer
VDO
Blaupunkt
Bielstein
Koni
Continental
Eberspächer
Webasto
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Old 06-23-2004, 09:30 PM   #50
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OK, as I am from Germany, I will try now to put a list of German Car Builders together! If I miss one please shout out loud, so that I will hear it here in Germany!

There we go:

Audi
Volkswagen
Opel
Mercedes-Benz
BMW
Porsche
Wiesmann
Karmann (remember the Karmann-Ghia)
Maybach
Isdera
Smart
AS


Truck and Bus makers:

Mercedes-Benz
MAN
Neoplan
Kaesbohrer


Then there are also a lot of famous Tuners such as:

Alpina
Irmscher
Startech
Brabus
AMG
RUF
AC Schnitzer
ABT
Mantzel
Zender
Zakspeed
Kamei
Oettinger
Steffan
Wolf
Carlssson
Lorinser
(surely there are a lot more)

The same with German firms known for making Car parts:

Bosch
Ate
INA-Kugelfischer
VDO
Blaupunkt
Bielstein
Koni
Continental
Eberspächer
Webasto
.
.
.


Well i think you need to group them into company groups to make them representative.
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Old 06-23-2004, 09:57 PM   #51
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Opel???? isnt that just english vauxhalls cars with badges on them?
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Old 06-23-2004, 10:02 PM   #52
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Opel???? isnt that just english vauxhalls cars with badges on them?

Oh dear please give this guy an education.

Right well since the existance of the eu then there has be moresegmentation within the manufacuting and asembly plant world.

In this case then none of the Vectras that currently are being sold new are asembled in the uk they are all made in a opel ( its all GM any way) factory in russelheim in germany (its near frankfurt) the astras for the entire of europe are assbled in Luton and so on and so forth.

The GM euro range is shared across all the countries within the eu and a few others most of the asian market and the austrailan cars are similar and depending on which country your from depends what badge they slap on them.

there are a number of non used brands which may be resirected some day just like MG has been for the rover group.
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Old 06-23-2004, 10:07 PM   #53
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Cheers

im not to up on vauxhalls or opels to be honest. but i learned somthing today isnt that what lifes all about?
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Old 06-24-2004, 10:40 AM   #54
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Grouped to company

Ok, so I will group them (not an easy one, but I'll try)

Daimler-Chrysler

Cars:
Mercedes-Benz (D)
Smart (D)
Chrysler (USA)
Dogde (USA)
Jeep (USA)
Maybach (D)
AMG (D)

Utility Verhicles:
Setra (D)
Mercedes-Benz (D)
Freightliner (USA)
Sterling Trucks (USA)
Western Star Trucks (USA)
FUSO (J)


Volkswagen Group

Cars:
Volkswagen (D)
Seat (Spain)
Skoda (Czech-Republic)
Bentley (GB)

Utility Vehicles:
Scania (Sweden)
Volkswagen (D)


Audi AG

Cars:
Audi (D)
Lamborghini (I)


Porsche AG


BMW AG

Cars:
BMW (D)
M GmbH (D)
Mini (GB)
Rolls-Royce (GB)

Motorcycles:
BMW (D)


Karmann AG
building mostly Convertibles for other brands, such as VW


Wiesmann
litte Company that only builts sports cars


Isdera
same as Wiesmann


AS
same as Wiesmann, they only built the Yes Roadster
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Old 07-01-2004, 09:15 PM   #55
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weve had this argument about were a nationality of a company lies, your basicaly saying becuase a compnay files for tax in german its german????

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Ok, so I will group them (not an easy one, but I'll try)

Daimler-Chrysler

Cars:
Mercedes-Benz (D)
Smart (D)
Chrysler (USA)
Dogde (USA)
Jeep (USA)
Maybach (D)
AMG (D)

Utility Verhicles:
Setra (D)
Mercedes-Benz (D)
Freightliner (USA)
Sterling Trucks (USA)
Western Star Trucks (USA)
FUSO (J)


Volkswagen Group

Cars:
Volkswagen (D)
Seat (Spain)
Skoda (Czech-Republic)
Bentley (GB)

Utility Vehicles:
Scania (Sweden)
Volkswagen (D)


Audi AG

Cars:
Audi (D)
Lamborghini (I)


Porsche AG


BMW AG

Cars:
BMW (D)
M GmbH (D)
Mini (GB)
Rolls-Royce (GB)

Motorcycles:
BMW (D)


Karmann AG
building mostly Convertibles for other brands, such as VW


Wiesmann
litte Company that only builts sports cars


Isdera
same as Wiesmann


AS
same as Wiesmann, they only built the Yes Roadster
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Old 07-01-2004, 10:28 PM   #56
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Because of that I wrote in such cases the origin behind the name.
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Because of that I wrote in such cases the origin behind the name.


yeah i noticed that.
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Old 07-04-2004, 11:58 PM   #58
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you would be unbelivably WRONG. ever hear of the Americans? it seems not. They spank all the other european companies in terms of money made. besides, what's the criteria for "most successful"? most money made? best client base? best rearview mirrors? we need specifics, and people like Car Nirvana need to stop spewing bullshit like the above post.

what is it with you??!?! why must you be an asshole to people you don't know and did NOTHING to you?

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Ok, here's how it works...you have to agree with me if I make a mistake, but I dont have to agree with you if you make a mistake..comprende?...Ok

So you think your god then

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The ones I know of:
Lotus: Owned by Ford or Chevy cant remember which... it is with Vauxhall in that
MG: the newest one I know of in the US is 20 yrs old.
MacLaren: Aint the quickest stock car anymore... not interested
Jaguar: owned by Ford
Ford GT: I could car less
Aston Martin: owned by Ford
Noble: not here
Triumph: maybe a cycle or two over here...
TVR: Not over here
Ya... not interested...
I have heard that most english cars are not reliable... is that true?

If your not interested why reply
also Jaguar and Aston Martin maybe owned by Ford but we make, design etc them

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Old 07-05-2004, 09:54 AM   #59
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Ive read in many different stats rankings that all of the most successful car companies in the world are german.

I believe the most profitable mass production car company in the world is porsche, and the second most is BMW. And in the top 5 is also the nameplate Mercecedes ( not daimler chrysler). This is profitable based on volume. Its perhaps not a strong selling point to think that the company you bought your car from made the most money off of you.... just my side comment.

Rankings change by year certainly. THis may not be updated to this year, but Im 'quoting' a recent ranking.

In terms of volume, the most successful european company is possibly volkswagen most years, but it is possibly renault which also owns nissan. Or, it is Daimlerchrysler.
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