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Old 12-14-2004, 10:55 PM   #1
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Supra TT vs STi

im just curious...stock supra tt vs sti....hmmm
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Old 12-15-2004, 12:15 AM   #2
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I gotta go with an STi, but once again this thread is just pure opinions. I cant even find any HP quotes for a Supra TT, so I guess this could show that there are more fans for a STi, but some Supras have some bite!
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Old 12-15-2004, 08:11 AM   #3
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Gen 3 Supra TT:
0-60 in 4.9secs
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Old 12-15-2004, 10:50 AM   #4
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It's a (not so) little thing called Google. Try it out sometime.

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Toyota Supra Twin Turbo

General Information
Price: $40,000
Miles Per Gallon: 18/23 mpg
Curb Weight: 3515 lbs
Layout: Front-Engine/RWD
Transmission: 6-Speed Manual

Engine
Type: Twin-Turbo Inline-6
Displacement: 2997 cc
Horsepower: 320 bhp @ 5600 rpm
Torque: 315 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
Redline: 6800 rpm

Performance
0-60 mph: 4.9 sec
0-100 mph: 11.8 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.6 sec @ 106 mph
Skidpad: .94g
Top Speed: 155 mph



Subaru Impreza WRX STi

General Information
Price: $30,995
Miles Per Gallon: --/-- mpg
Curb Weight: 3263 lbs
Layout: Front-Engine/AWD
Transmission: 6-Speed Manual

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Type: Turbocharged Flat-4
Displacement: 2457 cc
Horsepower: 300 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 300 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
Redline: 7000 rpm

Performance
0-60 mph: 4.8 sec
0-100 mph: 12.9 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.2 sec @ 104 mph
Skidpad: .--g
Top Speed: --- mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 111 ft
Slalom Speed: 69.1 mph
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Old 12-16-2004, 06:10 AM   #5
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Only reason STi wins the quarter is because it grips earlier. TT Supra would beat it in a freeway race flat out. 2JZGTTE's tranny is geared for top speed, while the EJ20T's is geared for flat acceleration and lighting shifts - rally style baby.
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Old 12-16-2004, 06:13 AM   #6
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Only reason STi wins the quarter is because it grips earlier. TT Supra would beat it in a freeway race flat out. 2JZGTTE's tranny is geared for top speed, while the EJ20T's is geared for flat excelleration and lighting shifts - rally style baby.

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Old 12-16-2004, 09:06 AM   #7
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Only reason STi wins the quarter is because it grips earlier. TT Supra would beat it in a freeway race flat out. 2JZGTTE's tranny is geared for top speed, while the EJ20T's is geared for flat excelleration and lighting shifts - rally style baby.

Is that so? Well the only reason a Supra would beat an STi on a flat drive fowards is "because" its a RWD platform.

Its not BECAUSE, its "The STi beats the Supra in the quarter mile". BECAUSE the STi is the better car, not just BECAUSE it can grip. Toyota was given equal oppurtunity to create a car, but BECAUSE they did'nt they have a very heavy, mal efficient drag car now don't they?

I don't understand whats up with you people and listing defeats in a performancea particular class as if they were unfair. No ifs, ands, buts, or because's. The Impreza WRX STi will dominate over the Supra in a realistic world. BECAUSE not everyone "races" on highways for long straights. BECAUSE some people drive their cars to work and back. BECAUSE some people need more than just a car that can go 155mph. BECAUSE the Impreza WRX STi is more realistic with passenger space, cargo room, comfortable interior, saftey, handling, and performance. BECAUSE these two are'nt even in the same class of car, they should'nt be compared. You want something fair to compare throw a 350Z at a Supra.

Its not because, it just IS.
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Old 12-16-2004, 10:32 AM   #8
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Is that so? Well the only reason a Supra would beat an STi on a flat drive fowards is "because" its a RWD platform.

Its not BECAUSE, its "The STi beats the Supra in the quarter mile". BECAUSE the STi is the better car, not just BECAUSE it can grip. Toyota was given equal oppurtunity to create a car, but BECAUSE they did'nt they have a very heavy, mal efficient drag car now don't they?

I don't understand whats up with you people and listing defeats in a performancea particular class as if they were unfair. No ifs, ands, buts, or because's. The Impreza WRX STi will dominate over the Supra in a realistic world. BECAUSE not everyone "races" on highways for long straights. BECAUSE some people drive their cars to work and back. BECAUSE some people need more than just a car that can go 155mph. BECAUSE the Impreza WRX STi is more realistic with passenger space, cargo room, comfortable interior, saftey, handling, and performance. BECAUSE these two are'nt even in the same class of car, they should'nt be compared. You want something fair to compare throw a 350Z at a Supra.

Its not because, it just IS.

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Old 12-16-2004, 03:22 PM   #9
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im just curious...stock supra tt vs sti....hmmm

Well lets see.... An sti gets what, 255whp with its single turbo...is a four door....but is all wheel drive.

I'm sure a TWINTURBO supra with two doors (less weight) would certainly overpower an STi. The only thing the sube has over the supra is drivetrain. Awd has a tendency to just yank on the road, and not break traction nearly as much...
Also, are we talking about a road coarse? Or a drag strip? Either way, I think the supra would win.
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Old 12-16-2004, 03:27 PM   #10
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I have bad habit of not reading the whole thread. But oh well I was right either way.
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Old 12-16-2004, 05:08 PM   #11
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Is that so? Well the only reason a Supra would beat an STi on a flat drive fowards is "because" its a RWD platform.

Its not BECAUSE, its "The STi beats the Supra in the quarter mile". BECAUSE the STi is the better car, not just BECAUSE it can grip. Toyota was given equal oppurtunity to create a car, but BECAUSE they did'nt they have a very heavy, mal efficient drag car now don't they?

I don't understand whats up with you people and listing defeats in a performancea particular class as if they were unfair. No ifs, ands, buts, or because's. The Impreza WRX STi will dominate over the Supra in a realistic world. BECAUSE not everyone "races" on highways for long straights. BECAUSE some people drive their cars to work and back. BECAUSE some people need more than just a car that can go 155mph. BECAUSE the Impreza WRX STi is more realistic with passenger space, cargo room, comfortable interior, saftey, handling, and performance. BECAUSE these two are'nt even in the same class of car, they should'nt be compared. You want something fair to compare throw a 350Z at a Supra.

Its not because, it just IS.

Um ..... yeah, it's like you said .... they are different types of cars. What I stated was completely true. They are GEARED at different types of racing. I'm not the one who compared them in the first place. Don't get all uppity. The guy asked Stock Supra vs STi ..... now most people took this as pure power, wich I responded to. If it came down to it, I'd take an STi because I'd rather do autocross than drag. Lot more fun. So congradulations on being a dick for no damn reason. They AREN'T in the same class, and I didn't portray them as such.
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I'm sure a TWINTURBO supra

That leads to more turbo lag. STi: 4 cylinders, 2.5 liters to spool one turbo. Supra: 6 cylinders, 3 liters to spool two turbos. I would rather have a single turbo Supra. It may have less power, but it would spool up faster.
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That may not be a good idea, he cant even spell Acceleration (excelleration) correctly.

to you buddy .... I had just gotten out of bed when I made that post .... and you're gonna quibble about spelling? I still know my shit. But whatever you want to believe.
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Um ..... yeah, it's like you said .... they are different types of cars. What I stated was completely true. They are GEARED at different types of racing. I'm not the one who compared them in the first place. Don't get all uppity. The guy asked Stock Supra vs STi ..... now most people took this as pure power, wich I responded to. If it came down to it, I'd take an STi because I'd rather do autocross than drag. Lot more fun. So congradulations on being a dick for no damn reason. They AREN'T in the same class, and I didn't portray them as such.

While you believe that you may "know your [stuff]", you fail to forget one simple objective within your original statements. Sure we both know they are'nt in the same class, there is no need to state that. What you have forgotten is that you gave a reasoning for why the STi can accelerate faster than a Supra. Well no shit, because they are two completly different car classes. No shit that AWD has better acceleration than RWD cars. If we were'nt aware of that then there would be some serious implications on our own minds now would'nt there. However, simply listing the fact that one car has an advantage over the other "because" of something puts them in a general genre. Otherwise categorizing them as the same genre. I'll give you an example that should be easy to follow, even for the likes of you.

Music group A is better than music group B because they have a better lead singer. While Group A could be rock and group B could be country, specifying that one is better because of something esle puts them in a general category. Now if somone who had no idea or the likes of either STi or Supra read that post. They would only be lead to assume that the two cars are in the same class, simply because you gave an excuse for one being greater than the other. In cars of different classes, excuses are'nt needed, they are allready warrented by the allready specified class.

No shit an AWD Rally car will accelerate faster than a RWD sports car. That is a given, but specifying otherwise could only mean that you are attempting to group the two together. Point being, it was non essential information and could have easily lead a newbie car person into believing the two were in the same class. Thus spread general ignorance and stupidity. Now just because somones been feeding you the shit end of the stick does'nt mean you have to return the favor now does it?
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