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Old 03-19-2005, 06:28 AM   #76
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Modifieds? Here are the current best from each car's most respected builder (all numbers from Nov '04 Car&Driver SuperCar ShootOut):

2004 Lingenfelter 427 Twin Turbo C5 Corvette $149,187
800hp 427 Twin Turbo V8
0-60: 4.2
1/4: 11.6 @ 136 mph
150-0: 682 ft.

2004 Hennessey Venom Twin Turbo SRT-10 $162,054
800hp Twin Turbo V10
0-60: 3.7
1/4: 11.1 @ 141 mph
150-0: 705 ft.

April C/D, with 2 pages on the Lingenfelter 402 C6 Corvette. pg 132

$85,781 as tested (base price of $61,149)
510bhp @ 6000rpm
500 lb-ft @ 4600
0-60 3.7
0-100 8.5
1/4 mile 11.9 @ 122 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph 163ft
Foadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad 1.00g

I know of someone who drives his Viper once every now and then, usually on weekends, but never in the winter because of the bad weather. I don't think it's too unusual, like ChrisV said, it's a high performance car and not quite practical for everyday use.

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Old 03-19-2005, 07:14 AM   #77
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Good catch. I knew Lingenfelter was coming out with a new C6 car, but couldn't find the issue I had read it in...
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Old 03-19-2005, 08:27 PM   #78
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Lingenfelter owns the crown in mass-modified on some pages, and hennessy owns the crown on others;

(Lingenfelter)
Lingenfelter 1
Lingenfelter 2
Lingenfelter 3

(hennessy)
Viper 1
Viper 2

What would you take, if I gave it to you for free? A 427 corvette TT or a Venom 1000TT?
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Old 03-20-2005, 02:28 PM   #79
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What would you take, if I gave it to you for free? A 427 corvette TT or a Venom 1000TT?
I'd rather a Venom 1000TT.

I'm not a fan of the 2003-Present Vipers. They look bland compared to the old Vipers. If I had $85,000, I'd place an order for the 2006 Z06. The upcoming Z06 is the only Corvette that I truly prefer over the 2002 Viper GTS.
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Old 03-20-2005, 06:43 PM   #80
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The upcoming Z06 is the only Corvette that I truly prefer over the 2002 Viper GTS.

then, you would prefer some other car over a GTS?

I do agree that they look kinda bland, but I'm more for performance than looks.



Still, dodge could do so much more with the viper, rather than just stick a stupidly-huge, pushrod 20 valve truck engine in a sports car chassis.



It also pains me how much the side panels on the C6 and the srt-10 look alike.

To answer my own question, it's hennessy, because it turns so many heads, and with the right radials, can hit 0-60 in the 1 second range.
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Old 03-21-2005, 12:12 AM   #81
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then, you would prefer some other car over a GTS?

Some other car that isn't a Corvette? Yes, there are many cars that I prefer over a GTS; none in its price range though.


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I do agree that they look kinda bland, but I'm more for performance than looks.
I understand your point of view, but to me, the 2002 Viper GTS isn't a car that I'm afraid to give a performance upgrade. But I would be afraid to visually upgrade any Viper, so if I purchased a newer Viper, I'd be stuck with the looks. But besides, the 2002 Viper GTS performs well enough for me even if it was left stock.
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Old 03-21-2005, 04:15 PM   #82
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Still, dodge could do so much more with the viper, rather than just stick a stupidly-huge, pushrod 20 valve truck engine in a sports car chassis.


I love how kids simply just don't get it. The POINT of the Viper was a "stupidly huge, pushrod engine in a sports car chassis." Just like the original Cobra and Cad Allards. Bob Lutz was driving his AC Cobra replica one day and was commenting on how it's sad that car makers don't make raw beasts like that anymore. That everything has to be refined, safe, and frankly, boring. So when they were going to introduce the then-new Ram V10, he commissioned an all aluminum one built and put it into a Cobra-like show car. And people went nuts over it.

If you think that putting a pushrod V10 of 8 liters in a sports car chassis is a bad idea, then you aren't the target market, because you simply don't understand, nor will. Ever.
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If you think that putting a pushrod V10 of 8 liters in a sports car chassis is a bad idea, then you aren't the target market, because you simply don't understand, nor will. Ever.


I'm no tthe target market, yes, but never did I say it was a bad idea, I just said that dodge can make such a better car, rather than just put an oversized truck engine in a sports car chassis. They could compete with the Ford GT and any other high performance car.

Why don't they make a better/faster car? Just that they only want to target one demographic?
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I'm no tthe target market, yes, but never did I say it was a bad idea, I just said that dodge can make such a better car, rather than just put an oversized truck engine in a sports car chassis. They could compete with the Ford GT and any other high performance car.

Why don't they make a better/faster car? Just that they only want to target one demographic?

Apparently, as Mercedes killed teh ME412 project (the guy that was teh head of that project went to VW and revived teh Bugatti project).

Simply put, the Viper is the only new vehicle like it. That makes it different instead of just another copycat supercar. And the fact that it's different is why it was built in the first place. In fact, a lot of us were disappointed when the SRT-10 version came out, as it was too refined for the concept. It's no longer a modern Cobra, but just a S2000/Corvette with a bigger engine.
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Old 04-10-2005, 12:16 AM   #85
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the viper would beat not kill the z06 in a line and on the track. i have both a 2002 z06 and 2004 viper the viper is definitely more powerful and is cooler and more exclusive. the z06 runs 0-60 in 4 sec. and i have seen the viper run 0-60 in 3.8 and 3.9. The 1/4 mile of the z06 is 12.1 and the vipers is 11.77. the viper also brakes faster. viper 60-0 in 97 ft. and z06 60-0 in 104 ft. the viper is the 1st car to do 60-0 in under 100 ft. in a recent r&t mag the vette nipped the viper by .3 sec in a lap. they admitted though they made a mistake twice with the viper. they can't drive it motortrend can. the vipers interior is nicer with the great speakers and suade seats. the top speed is also 195. i know you think 190 but my friend got 195 on a drag. besides doesn;t it make sense. 110 ibs. less than gts, 50 more hp and 35+ torque. get a viper
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the viper would beat not kill the z06 in a line and on the track. i have both a 2002 z06 and 2004 viper the viper is definitely more powerful and is cooler and more exclusive. the z06 runs 0-60 in 4 sec. and i have seen the viper run 0-60 in 3.8 and 3.9. The 1/4 mile of the z06 is 12.1 and the vipers is 11.77. the viper also brakes faster. viper 60-0 in 97 ft. and z06 60-0 in 104 ft. the viper is the 1st car to do 60-0 in under 100 ft. in a recent r&t mag the vette nipped the viper by .3 sec in a lap. they admitted though they made a mistake twice with the viper. they can't drive it motortrend can. the vipers interior is nicer with the great speakers and suade seats. the top speed is also 195. i know you think 190 but my friend got 195 on a drag. besides doesn;t it make sense. 110 ibs. less than gts, 50 more hp and 35+ torque. get a viper


annnndddd.... keep on reading. They had just as much practice, if not more with the viper as they did with the corvette. The hairpin part you're talking about requires practice, and I'm sure that the corvette will still beat the viper with as much practice. Besides, they competed with the base C6, not the Z06. Imagine that car with an extra 100 horsepower and foot pounds. It would kill the viper around the track, and arguably in the straight line. it would all depend on the driver.

C6 Z06>Viper>C6.

I'm calling your bluff, by the way, you don't own a viper or a corvette. sorry
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