Car Forums  

Go Back   Car Forums > Vehicle Specific > Domestic Cars
FAQ Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 06-28-2006, 12:00 PM   #16
Pythias
CF Extraordinaire
 
Pythias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Ohio, U.S.
Posts: 1,831
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodger65
for that price, that stang better be pretty pimpin'... the kelley blue book only lists it for 1480 loaded in excellent condition...

Kelley Blue Book is about as off as you can get. There is one on Ebay right now with about 3 mods, pretty clean, 68k original miles, went for like 6 something, and actually never met the reserve. Nice Fox Bodies are worth some money. If you don't believe me I can link you to as many ads as you wish.
__________________
"Though I drive through the valley of rice,I shall fear no turbo for torque art with me. Thy rod and piston, they comfort me."

"It is not the strong who will win, but the winner who is strong." -ROTK7
"You wrote "The World Doesn't Need A Savior" but everyday I hear people crying for one."
Pythias is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2006, 05:57 PM   #17
PontiacFan27
CF Extraordinaire
 
PontiacFan27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Grove City, PA
Posts: 1,332
People can try to sell cars for whatever they want. KBB doesn't account for mods, history, or anything important like that. All it really looks at is the simple facts. Age, Condition, Country of Origin.

If KBB went far back enough, they would probably say my car is worth $50 or some bullshit amount like that.
__________________
PontiacFan27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2006, 09:21 PM   #18
Pythias
CF Extraordinaire
 
Pythias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Ohio, U.S.
Posts: 1,831
Quote:
Originally Posted by PontiacFan27
People can try to sell cars for whatever they want. KBB doesn't account for mods, history, or anything important like that. All it really looks at is the simple facts. Age, Condition, Country of Origin.

If KBB went far back enough, they would probably say my car is worth $50 or some bullshit amount like that.

Lolz yes they would.
__________________
"Though I drive through the valley of rice,I shall fear no turbo for torque art with me. Thy rod and piston, they comfort me."

"It is not the strong who will win, but the winner who is strong." -ROTK7
"You wrote "The World Doesn't Need A Savior" but everyday I hear people crying for one."
Pythias is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2006, 11:08 PM   #19
dodger65
I know more than Wally...
 
dodger65's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: U.S. - Midwest
Posts: 2,117
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pythias
Kelley Blue Book is about as off as you can get. There is one on Ebay right now with about 3 mods, pretty clean, 68k original miles, went for like 6 something, and actually never met the reserve. Nice Fox Bodies are worth some money. If you don't believe me I can link you to as many ads as you wish.

hold on. i'm about to create an ad for a $15,000 escort, so you'll think they're really valuable too... for older cars up to a point kbb is useless, but for some, it can provide a good baseline. i'm not saying fox bodies aren't worth anything, i'm just saying that $4000 seems a bit pricey for an 87 hatchback unless it's pretty special...
__________________
"Everyone is someone else's weirdo"

dodger65 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2006, 01:57 AM   #20
Pythias
CF Extraordinaire
 
Pythias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Ohio, U.S.
Posts: 1,831
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodger65
hold on. i'm about to create an ad for a $15,000 escort, so you'll think they're really valuable too... for older cars up to a point kbb is useless, but for some, it can provide a good baseline. i'm not saying fox bodies aren't worth anything, i'm just saying that $4000 seems a bit pricey for an 87 hatchback unless it's pretty special...

Yeah but your escort wouldn't sell, a foxbody for 4k, 9times out of10 will sell very quickly. It may seem pricey to you, but I suggest you take a closer look at autotrader.com, and corral.net/forums go down to the cars for sale forums and check out the 87-93 prices. Believe me I haven't been looking at the prices of foxbodies for over a year to not know what they are and are not worth.
__________________
"Though I drive through the valley of rice,I shall fear no turbo for torque art with me. Thy rod and piston, they comfort me."

"It is not the strong who will win, but the winner who is strong." -ROTK7
"You wrote "The World Doesn't Need A Savior" but everyday I hear people crying for one."
Pythias is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2006, 03:16 AM   #21
dodger65
I know more than Wally...
 
dodger65's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: U.S. - Midwest
Posts: 2,117
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pythias
Yeah but your escort wouldn't sell, a foxbody for 4k, 9times out of10 will sell very quickly. It may seem pricey to you, but I suggest you take a closer look at autotrader.com, and corral.net/forums go down to the cars for sale forums and check out the 87-93 prices. Believe me I haven't been looking at the prices of foxbodies for over a year to not know what they are and are not worth.

it still seems like the ones i've seen (yes, at autotrader) for 4000 need much less work than the one what just bought.
__________________
"Everyone is someone else's weirdo"

dodger65 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2006, 04:31 AM   #22
What
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Costa Nocha
Posts: 652
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodger65
it still seems like the ones i've seen (yes, at autotrader) for 4000 need much less work than the one what just bought.
They probably do. They just won't tell you until you've travelled 1600 miles to f*ckin California to buy it.

And besides, the car I've bought doesn't require that much work. He's already purchased the clutch, I just have to install it. The starter I have to buy.

Everything else is preventive maintenance. I wanted to do an engine rebuild. I was more concerned about the body condition and the general health of the engine. The engine and body is excellent, I repeat.

Most people would change the clutch and install a new starter and be happy they've bought a $4,000 + $400 Mustang.

I'm a perfectionist.

Also, Kelly Blue doesn't do so well in judging "icon" vehicles. Vehicles like the Eclipse GSX and Corvette are under valued on Kelly Blue Book. You should know this...you f*cking idiot.
What is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2006, 05:13 AM   #23
dodger65
I know more than Wally...
 
dodger65's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: U.S. - Midwest
Posts: 2,117
Quote:
Originally Posted by What
They probably do. They just won't tell you until you've travelled 1600 miles to f*ckin California to buy it.

And besides, the car I've bought doesn't require that much work. He's already purchased the clutch, I just have to install it. The starter I have to buy.

Everything else is preventive maintenance. I wanted to do an engine rebuild. I was more concerned about the body condition and the general health of the engine. The engine and body is excellent, I repeat.

Most people would change the clutch and install a new starter and be happy they've bought a $4,000 + $400 Mustang.

I'm a perfectionist.

Also, Kelly Blue doesn't do so well in judging "icon" vehicles. Vehicles like the Eclipse GSX and Corvette are under valued on Kelly Blue Book. You should know this...you f*cking idiot.

you're a perfectionist?

whatever. you saw a shiny mustang gt and said "wow! that's better than my moped!" and now you're going to keep trying to justify the price...

...and i think most people would rather pay $3500 to $4k for a mustang that they didn't have to push start for a test drive, doesn't need exhaust and a clutch for them to like it, and has under 100k miles...

so what does determine the value of an "icon vehicle"? the tool buying it that doesn't know what he's looking at? tell me, mr perfectionist, how you can justify paying extra for "modifications" that you can't describe and plan to eliminate anyway? so you just paid extra for stuff you're going to shitcan... and if the computer is modified, how come you can't tell us how. it's b/c you don't know, fine. wouldn't it behoove you to know what has been done to the computer in case the mods you plan to make have already been done? or did the owner tell you and you didn't understand, so you're just going to throw money at it b/c you have more of that than common sense? (which would only be a couple bucks )

just stop typing, b/c you seem to lose iq points every keystroke you make...

pythias, what did you pay for your stang and how much work did it need? and how many miles?
__________________
"Everyone is someone else's weirdo"

dodger65 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2006, 04:54 PM   #24
What
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Costa Nocha
Posts: 652
Pay extra for those mods? I didn't do that. Those modifications didn't impress me. And the car isn't much shiny. I like this type of Mustang and I'm looking forward to the build up. My dad has one and it'll be interesting to challenge his car.

I don't have to justify my purchasing decisions. Not trying to gloat, but $4,000 isn't much of a dent in my wallet considering I spent it on a car. Yes, there are better off 5.0's that I could've bought from somewhere else in the country...but why? I have built up a career and assets to where I have the extra money to pay for the convenience of buying from the local, smaller market.
What is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2006, 06:47 PM   #25
PontiacFan27
CF Extraordinaire
 
PontiacFan27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Grove City, PA
Posts: 1,332
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodger65

so what does determine the value of an "icon vehicle"? the tool buying it that doesn't know what he's looking at?

Yes. The market depends on the sellers and buyers. If this "tool" thinks the price is too much, then he can either try to find one for cheaper, or just not get one.
Likewise, if a person selling a car can't sell it for the price hes trying to sell it at, he can either lower the price or not sell it.

If KBB would follow the market rather than trying to set it on its own, it would be a more useful tool.
__________________
PontiacFan27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2006, 09:27 PM   #26
Pythias
CF Extraordinaire
 
Pythias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Ohio, U.S.
Posts: 1,831
Quote:
Originally Posted by dodger65
you're a perfectionist?

whatever. you saw a shiny mustang gt and said "wow! that's better than my moped!" and now you're going to keep trying to justify the price...

...and i think most people would rather pay $3500 to $4k for a mustang that they didn't have to push start for a test drive, doesn't need exhaust and a clutch for them to like it, and has under 100k miles...

so what does determine the value of an "icon vehicle"? the tool buying it that doesn't know what he's looking at? tell me, mr perfectionist, how you can justify paying extra for "modifications" that you can't describe and plan to eliminate anyway? so you just paid extra for stuff you're going to shitcan... and if the computer is modified, how come you can't tell us how. it's b/c you don't know, fine. wouldn't it behoove you to know what has been done to the computer in case the mods you plan to make have already been done? or did the owner tell you and you didn't understand, so you're just going to throw money at it b/c you have more of that than common sense? (which would only be a couple bucks )

just stop typing, b/c you seem to lose iq points every keystroke you make...

pythias, what did you pay for your stang and how much work did it need? and how many miles?

I found a pretty good deal for mine, drove 3 hours to get it nonetheless. it's an 88' Mustang Gt convertible, bone stock down to the air silencer, just the way I wanted it, a "virgin". Never been raced or dragged on, don't know mileage really, though I believe it was 220k. I didn't care that much because nothing was going to be left alone in it, and it still ran pretty damn strong. The convertible top, although not new, was in decent condition. There were a few repairs I had to do such as new universal bearings on the driveshaft I believe? and a few other little things like the headlight that came out 1/2 an inch . Stupid maryland inspection, anyway inspection fixes were around 400$ and I paied 2800$ for it, so 3200$ I had a reliable car that I drive. The rest of the stuff and money I put into it were routine maintenance and stuff that just eventually went bad, such as I replaced the starter. And a few hi pressure power steering lines because somehow they rubbed against the radiator. But all in all it is a solid car and I love it. If I could go back I would buy it again and how it is running and the body is I am happy with it, and in the end I think that is all that matters.
__________________
"Though I drive through the valley of rice,I shall fear no turbo for torque art with me. Thy rod and piston, they comfort me."

"It is not the strong who will win, but the winner who is strong." -ROTK7
"You wrote "The World Doesn't Need A Savior" but everyday I hear people crying for one."
Pythias is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2006, 09:29 PM   #27
Pythias
CF Extraordinaire
 
Pythias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Ohio, U.S.
Posts: 1,831
Quote:
Originally Posted by PontiacFan27
Yes. The market depends on the sellers and buyers. If this "tool" thinks the price is too much, then he can either try to find one for cheaper, or just not get one.
Likewise, if a person selling a car can't sell it for the price hes trying to sell it at, he can either lower the price or not sell it.

If KBB would follow the market rather than trying to set it on its own, it would be a more useful tool.

Exactly, BUT I think a majority of kbb values are correct, only for certain cars like the 5.0 foxbodies and others is it different, and I'm sure ti would take much mroe time to design a system that "follows the market" which I'm sure is why they haven't.
__________________
"Though I drive through the valley of rice,I shall fear no turbo for torque art with me. Thy rod and piston, they comfort me."

"It is not the strong who will win, but the winner who is strong." -ROTK7
"You wrote "The World Doesn't Need A Savior" but everyday I hear people crying for one."
Pythias is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2006, 10:51 PM   #28
Cliffy
CF Loafer
 
Cliffy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: NE Hampshire, England, UK
Posts: 8,442
Well, I sure have learned a bit here....I'll need to read in more detail, but I kinda feel stooooopid for starting a similar topic, lol
__________________


Please click here for the rules prior to posting, and here to introduce yourself!

Artwork courtesy of Gregg, aka Voda48
Cliffy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2006, 11:34 PM   #29
dodger65
I know more than Wally...
 
dodger65's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: U.S. - Midwest
Posts: 2,117
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pythias
But all in all it is a solid car and I love it. If I could go back I would buy it again and how it is running and the body is I am happy with it, and in the end I think that is all that matters.

i'm not bagging on your car. i just couldn't remember what you bought it for. i was just wanting a cost vs. value comparison on mustangs involved in this thread...
__________________
"Everyone is someone else's weirdo"

dodger65 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-29-2006, 11:37 PM   #30
99integra
CF's Florida boy
 
99integra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Piqua, OH
Posts: 6,099
The car I learned to drive stick on was a 91 5.0 whipple charged, thing scared the hell outta me but my grammpa was like (aww she won't bite) lol, she bite hard as I spun her out around a corner lol. But he sold that thing for about 6k with 120k miles but the engine was 5 years old with 80k miles on it
__________________
Current whip: walking
99integra is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 01:39 PM.

Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2002 - 2011 Car Forums. All rights reserved.