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Old 05-23-2004, 03:22 PM   #16
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yeah yeah, spool your turbos up all you want, but you won't be pulling wheel stands in a fwd or awd 4-cyl turbo

lol. ill leave the wheelies to the bikes. and you gotta love the sound of the spooling turbo, its music to my ears.
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Old 05-23-2004, 06:48 PM   #17
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what do you think about dumpvalves?
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Old 05-23-2004, 06:51 PM   #18
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Very early Skylines had four cylinder engines....I think. Anyway, I used to chose the turbo'd imports over Muscle, but now I'd chose a classic '60's Mustang over any import!
Yeah, they had 4 cylinders in them... And one model of the 90's skylines did too..

Bav, this topic will continue no-matter how many times it is repeated because there will always be a way to ask the question in a slightly diffrent way and people will continue to do just that.. How come if you've been here for 3 months does your sig say you've been here for 9?

IMO muscle is better because turbos put greater pressure on engines and cause them to fail and the n/a engines give a smoother powerband and don't run the risk of spooling up on a corner and spinning you into the hedge backwards...!
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Old 05-23-2004, 07:07 PM   #19
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yeah but most of them are connected to auto gearboxes which gives ou the same effect.

with musclue im not sure if they are much smother, if you think about it most V8's run out of breath at 4500rpm so you still end up shifting, the other issues that arise is weight, I am not currently aware of to many modern mass produced alloy v8's. Most have alloy heads but the blocks are nearly all Iron.
Theres the good old rover/buick 215, but thats far from modern not even OHC. There is the cyclone that i showed you all, but thats just 2 bike engines. What we need is a mapped 5-8 litre DOHC all alloy throughbolt design with the capability of running turbo's.

DOHC seems to be something relativley rare in the states and thats were most of the V8's are. Even BMW uses the old scrap iron.

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Yeah, they had 4 cylinders in them... And one model of the 90's skylines did too..

Bav, this topic will continue no-matter how many times it is repeated because there will always be a way to ask the question in a slightly diffrent way and people will continue to do just that.. How come if you've been here for 3 months does your sig say you've been here for 9?

IMO muscle is better because turbos put greater pressure on engines and cause them to fail and the n/a engines give a smoother powerband and don't run the risk of spooling up on a corner and spinning you into the hedge backwards...!
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Old 05-24-2004, 02:27 AM   #20
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true, but then we wont be cournering like a hover craft either

You do realize that, everything else being equal, on pavement a rear wheel drive car handles better than a front wheel drive car right?

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yeah but most of them are connected to auto gearboxes which gives ou the same effect.

with musclue im not sure if they are much smother, if you think about it most V8's run out of breath at 4500rpm so you still end up shifting, the other issues that arise is weight, I am not currently aware of to many modern mass produced alloy v8's.

The 99 and 01 Mustang Cobra's had aluminum alloy blocks. While the 4.6 is a relatively small engine, it has a fairly long stroke. The engine produces its max horsepower at 6,000 RPM thanks to 32 valve cylinder heads and dual overhead cams. For the 2003 Cobra Ford switched to a cast iron block because they wanted something that could take the extra cylinder pressures of a supercharged engine, but it still loves to rev.

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Most have alloy heads but the blocks are nearly all Iron.
Theres the good old rover/buick 215, but thats far from modern not even OHC. There is the cyclone that i showed you all, but thats just 2 bike engines. What we need is a mapped 5-8 litre DOHC all alloy throughbolt design with the capability of running turbo's.

Turbo Driven Concepts makes turbo kits for 4.6L SOHC GT Engine, 4.6L DOHC Cobra Engine, and 5.0L pre 1996 GT engine. A Mustang engine bay can accomidate the 5.4L DOHC Navigator engine and even the 6.8L DOHC V10.

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DOHC seems to be something relativley rare in the states and thats were most of the V8's are. Even BMW uses the old scrap iron.

Maybe Chevy and Dodge have a hard-on for pushrods, but not Ford. Ford has DOHC engines (V8 and V10) available in its lines of trucks, SUV's, and cars.
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Old 05-24-2004, 03:56 AM   #21
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I think you've been drinkin too much of that Jose Cuervo...lol. A 5.4DOHC engine does fit but it's so damn tall you need a 10" cowl induction hood....and the 6.8L...lol...not unless you stretch the front frame rails a good 14" and reposition the k-member, rack/pinion, and you'd probably need to use a custom wire harness that doesn't even exist unless you make it yourself....stock mustang engine bay with no mods at all will not accomodate a 6.8L.

Who says pushrod motors can't rev???

cast iron block/head-LSC 5.0L....6250rpm

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Old 05-24-2004, 04:07 AM   #22
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I think you've been drinkin too much of that Jose Cuervo...lol. A 5.4DOHC engine does fit but it's so damn tall you need a 10" cowl induction hood
The 5.4 is very tall, and you have to fabricate an intake for it, but it will fit. (Albeit under a cowl induction hood.)

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....and the 6.8L...lol...not unless you stretch the front frame rails a good 14" and reposition the k-member, rack/pinion, and you'd probably need to use a custom wire harness that doesn't even exist unless you make it yourself....stock mustang engine bay with no mods at all will not accomodate a 6.8L.

I never said that it was easy...

http://www.bv10motors.com/


That's acutally a 6.9 Liter.

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cast iron block/head-LSC 5.0L....6250rpm


I agree
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Old 05-24-2004, 08:24 AM   #23
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I think you've been drinkin too much of that Jose Cuervo...lol. A 5.4DOHC engine does fit but it's so damn tall you need a 10" cowl induction hood....and the 6.8L...lol...not unless you stretch the front frame rails a good 14" and reposition the k-member, rack/pinion, and you'd probably need to use a custom wire harness that doesn't even exist unless you make it yourself....stock mustang engine bay with no mods at all will not accomodate a 6.8L.

Who says pushrod motors can't rev???

cast iron block/head-LSC 5.0L....6250rpm

show me a push rod engine that doesnt run out of breath and ill show u twin plug multi spark, 40valve, VVT, DOHC what doesnt run out of breath till 18000 rpm 455 bhp out of 3 litre V8, they cant rev i say so. Weighs 80kg.

The point is we have all seen a pushrod after its been over reved and its not a pretty sight. you also have the probelms of themal expantion and mechanical shock to worry about. You get pinking, preignition and the timing goes all cock eyed.

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The 99 and 01 Mustang Cobra's had aluminum alloy blocks. While the 4.6 is a relatively small engine, it has a fairly long stroke. The engine produces its max horsepower at 6,000 RPM thanks to 32 valve cylinder heads and dual overhead cams. For the 2003 Cobra Ford switched to a cast iron block because they wanted something that could take the extra cylinder pressures of a supercharged engine, but it still loves to rev.

To extract power out short stroke, over square engine.

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true, but then we wont be cournering like a hover craft either


You do realize that, everything else being equal, on pavement a rear wheel drive car handles better than a front wheel drive car right?

Good job i have been to the states, pavement being tarmac i asume or you will be mowing down grannies. Our pavement is your sidewalk. True RWD does
handle better than FWD i think you will find that this acutaly refers to AWD which i was talking about ealier. It is also better to have engine in the middle, but people wanting places to put lugage and kids kinda stop this most of the time.

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yeah yeah, spool your turbos up all you want, but you won't be pulling wheel stands in a fwd or awd 4-cyl turbo
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Old 05-27-2004, 04:14 AM   #24
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My daily drives have generally been V8s (that's bent 8 if you want to bignote), but I have had a nissan turbo engined six. I liked all of them, but I have to say the LS1 in my current car has been very good.

Currently I am building a little 1 litre engine with an RHF5 hanging off it and fuel injection conversion and hoping for a reliable 80kW, which I would not get without a charger.
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Old 05-29-2004, 06:21 AM   #25
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Good grief...will these childish "this vs. this...which is better" game ever end?
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Old 05-29-2004, 07:16 AM   #26
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Old 06-01-2004, 02:43 AM   #27
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that little comment about RWD handling better than FWD automaticly is BULLSHIT, the car has to be setup to handle good, To handle good. Put an 80's FWD saab 900 turbo up against a 80's foxbody mustang, and i bet you that the saab will outhandle it. Under pristine conditions with cars Designed to do so, Yes RWD is best. But the streets of new york city or eugene oregon arent paved with pristine track.
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Old 06-01-2004, 03:18 PM   #28
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i would take muscle with a supercharger
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Old 06-01-2004, 03:54 PM   #29
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Show me an 18k rpm DOHC V8 and I will point out how expensive it is, how unstreetable it is, and how totally unuseable it is in anything other than a formula car.

Oh, and have you ever seen one of those blow up? Ain't pretty, either.

As for STREET engines that mnake useable STREET horsepower and torque, 9k rpm seems to be the limit for modern DOHC engines, as is seen in the S2000.

My RX7's rotary twisted to 7500, and the ported 12A in my RX3 went to 9250. My 5.0 pushrod Ford that replaced the 13B in the RX7 also went to 7500, due to being detuned from drag race use (it HAD been a 9k rpm engine).. But I have built streetable, daily driver, Chevy pushrod engines that turned to 9k rpm regularly. It's pretty easy and cheap to do (the factory had been getting them to 8k rpm in stock form back in the late '60s...). Don't seee too many modern DOHC factory engines that match that achievement... (at least not in engines that have any sort of power for automotive use...motorcycle engines do, but they don't have to move 3000 lbs worth of vehicle).
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Old 06-01-2004, 08:50 PM   #30
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RIGHT IM BACK !

i don't understand these people who start the muscle vs. turbo or in american ways domestic vs. imports...that right? any way its stupid comparing two different sorts of cars....it'l be more fun if you could start some thing like i started a while ago....the Evo 8 vs Impreza STi vs R32

car forums still rocks even after that long break...keep them coming people
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