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View Poll Results: Respect - Who deserves it?
Everyone, regardless of whether they have earned it or not 8 24.24%
Only those who have earned it. 21 63.64%
Indifferent/Other(please comment as to why) 4 12.12%
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Old 10-30-2005, 08:53 PM   #31
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I think everyone should be respected. Not necessarily because of who they are, but because of who the giver of respect is. Consider this example: a man talks down or disrespectfully to a woman because she has done something that to him means she no longer deserves his respect. In my books, his action reflects more on him as a person and his upbringing for him to speak to her that way. We are all "allowed" our moments of insanity, but I don't necessarily believe we should let the way people behave dictate who we are as a person.

PS: I take it the question really should be, should we *show* respect to everyone, because by now I'm pretty sure the original poster was not asking about how highly we regard said person in our minds.



whoa there Janei. please tell me that your little "example" can work both ways, otherwise i'm going to have to play the sexist card on you.

and you mean to tell me that if you for example; go out and sleep with the guys three best friends, then thats okay and he has no reason to talk down to you in any manner?

thats pure crap. sorry, but thats just crap in my opinion.

PS - Don't even START to tell me what I'm asking. I NEVER wanted to know what you thought about "said" person - I specifically asked about respect, and NOT for any particular person.
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Old 10-30-2005, 09:40 PM   #32
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uh... I wasn't implying that you were referring to anyone in particular, if that's what you mean. Sorry if you have trouble understanding my parlance.

In that particular situation that you mentioned, I still would not advocate talking bad about her. If she was good enough to be with at some point, she's a part of the person's history and who he is as a person. I would rather treasure the good parts of the past and just let the rest go. I still think the way he speaks of her after the fact will depend largely on how his Mama raised him.
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Old 10-30-2005, 11:54 PM   #33
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uh... I wasn't implying that you were referring to anyone in particular, if that's what you mean. Sorry if you have trouble understanding my parlance.

In that particular situation that you mentioned, I still would not advocate talking bad about her. If she was good enough to be with at some point, she's a part of the person's history and who he is as a person. I would rather treasure the good parts of the past and just let the rest go. I still think the way he speaks of her after the fact will depend largely on how his Mama raised him.


Errr, parlance my ass. You said, and I quote:

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PS: I take it the question really should be, should we *show* respect to everyone, because by now I'm pretty sure the original poster was not asking about how highly we regard said person in our minds.

I am the original poster, and I posed the question correctly, respect everyone or only respect those who earn it(or don't lose it). I never talked about what you thought about someone in your minds.

And that's still crap, honestly.... if you really are that way, why aren't you a nun?....I don't see how that can be considered human in todays age, respecting someone who totally screwed you over...
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Old 10-31-2005, 12:14 AM   #34
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Are you high? Why would you take the time to ask a question when you know full and well that you'd start bitching because you do not like an answer? You surely baffle me.

The difference between the two aspects of respect I was asking about were:

1) How you regard someone in your mind. Do you *think* highly of them, or do you think they are a complete fool and a waste of oxygen.

2) The difference here is how do you treat people. How do you express your thoughts and feelings towards them; how do you choose to communicate with them. If you do not like said person, are you still kind and "respectful", or do you address them in disrespectful ways because of the way you feel about them.

Basically there's a difference between what you really think about the person and how you act towards them. Both have to do with respect on some level. My response was made to the latter.
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Old 10-31-2005, 02:49 AM   #35
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respect should be earned. when i was in highschool i had numerous teachers treat me like crap even though i wasn't in the bad crowd, i always showed respect for teachers who gave it back seeing that i tried hard and got good grades and went to school everyday, then i had this one bitch of a teacher which my fault i was a bit late for her class one morning so she tried to throw me out and i back talked her asking..."WHY" and that she better give me a better reason to throw me out of her class, she flipped out and demanded i "show her respect" i asked why? she said cuz im your teacher and older than you. to that i said you better show me respect too, she disagreed so i told her to go fornicate herself with a large metal rod, you cant just demand respect if you havent done shit to earn it. treat me like a human and i will do the same for you
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Old 10-31-2005, 06:27 AM   #36
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Me too. Unfortunately, some people get put in positions of authority and then think they somehow deserve respect. You know, like people who get to be a mod for no apparent reason and go around mindlessly closing, censoring or editing posts like they live in a socialist country. Do you know anybody like that?
Hey guys...I recon the Hobo has a grudge against me....oh dear, I better do as he says....or maybe I should just be a man and ignor his childish behaviour....say Hobo, why aren't you a Mod anymore?

And to think, the above quote was written before your last outburst...you REALLY must have something against me

And thanx, aerith...you hit the nail on the head
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Old 10-31-2005, 08:02 AM   #37
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You're taking it a bit personally aren't you Cliffy? Mate I reckon if you and I were lined up with our backs to the wall and VWHobo & ChrisV had a bucket of bricks to hurl at us, you would come out fresher than an after dinner mint.
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Old 10-31-2005, 02:30 PM   #38
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Hey guys...I recon the Hobo has a grudge against me....oh dear, I better do as he says....or maybe I should just be a man and ignor his childish behaviour....say Hobo, why aren't you a Mod anymore?

And to think, the above quote was written before your last outburst...you REALLY must have something against me

And thanx, aerith...you hit the nail on the head
Gee Cliffy, I couldn't possibly give you an honest answer because you'd be a big man and close the thread... After you got in the last word. You are a perfect example of why so many people have no respects for their bosses, elected officials, school administrators, teachers, etc. You are right, at least in your own mind, not because you have facts and logic to support your actions but because you have power over others as in this forum where you have the power to edit or close threads for no good reason, Even worse is when somebody else closes a thread and you re-open it to add some of your ignorant bullsh*t and then re-close it.

Why aren't I a mod anymore Cliffy? Do ya really want to know? There are a couple of reasons but this was the primary one. When we were kicking around the list of names for who to add as new mods, your name was unfortunately on the list. Others were neutral but I was vehemently opposed to you being nominated. I foresaw exactly how you would abuse your powers and made it very clear that I wanted nothing to do with a power hungry, candyassed and essentially worthless piece of sh*t like you and wanted in no way to be associated with your type. You couldn't and still can't even run your own POS forum and you're not doing this one any favors either. The bottom line is that there was a vote taken and I lost. Great, democracy works. But as I tell so many dumbasses like you on this forum, I could chose to continue to participate and be part of the problem or I could seperate myself from the situation and not. I chose not.

So Cliffy, the short answer is that I'm not a mod anymore because for some people in this world principle is still more important than position. I'm one of those people and because of that nobody on this forum can put my name in the same basket as a jerkoff like you. Normally at this point I would say have a nice day but for you... Just f*ck off and die Cliffy.

Oh yeah, almost forgot. Make sure you follow your pattern by making some stupid comments to get in the last word and then close the thread as usual.
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Old 10-31-2005, 08:26 PM   #39
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I'm sorry but that was a little too harsh for just a simple question, you didn't need to come off like that to Cliff
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Old 10-31-2005, 09:00 PM   #40
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voted only those who have earned it. those who dont deserve respect dont get it for obvious reasons. why should a guilty man be set free unless he has redeemed himself and paid the price?
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Old 10-31-2005, 09:16 PM   #41
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I voted other cause I think that everyone deserves to be treated with respect untill they show they don't deserve it. Also, people should be able to earn more respect if they can show they deserve it.
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Old 11-01-2005, 01:08 AM   #42
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I voted other cause I think that everyone deserves to be treated with respect untill they show they don't deserve it. Also, people should be able to earn more respect if they can show they deserve it.


did you read the entire thread - i furthered clarified the "earn the respect" option as also being they have respect until its lost...there just isnt that much bloody room in the poll boxes lol but thanks for responding
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Old 11-01-2005, 01:21 AM   #43
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I voted other because I think all people deserve respect, until there is a reason they shouldn't. Think of it like this, you start a class at 100% and your grade is raised or lowered by your performance. So, everyone starts off with my respect, until they do something that takes it away.
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Old 11-01-2005, 03:31 AM   #44
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I voted other because I think all people deserve respect, until there is a reason they shouldn't. Think of it like this, you start a class at 100% and your grade is raised or lowered by your performance. So, everyone starts off with my respect, until they do something that takes it away.
Did they change school that much since I graduated high school? Every school I've ever attended (primary, secondary, college, university and technical) you started with zero points and had to earn them through participation, test scores, attendance or some other criteria. Using your theory, I could take the class of my choice and as long as I didn't do anything to lose points, like crap on the instructors desk for example, at the end of the semester I'd still have a perfect score. Or to make this a little less broad, when the teacher handed me a test, as long as I didn't mark any wrong answers by leaving everything blank, I'd ace the test. Somehow this doesn't wash.

Oh yeah, almost forgot. If my grade starts at 100%, how can I raise it by superior performance? I don't know either.
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Did they change school that much since I graduated high school? Every school I've ever attended (primary, secondary, college, university and technical) you started with zero points and had to earn them through participation, test scores, attendance or some other criteria. Using your theory, I could take the class of my choice and as long as I didn't do anything to lose points, like crap on the instructors desk for example, at the end of the semester I'd still have a perfect score. Or to make this a little less broad, when the teacher handed me a test, as long as I didn't mark any wrong answers by leaving everything blank, I'd ace the test. Somehow this doesn't wash.

Oh yeah, almost forgot. If my grade starts at 100%, how can I raise it by superior performance? I don't know either.

I was just using it as an example hobo. I'm saying everyone in my book starts off with my respect and they can do things to lose it and also gain it back.
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