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Old 02-17-2005, 01:32 AM   #16
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generations reffer to body changes in a model

first gen eclipse:


second gen eclipse:


third gen eclipse
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Old 02-17-2005, 01:52 AM   #17
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I thought there wasnt a third gen eclipse.

And in honda engines, there are generations too... b16a2 is the second generation and b18c5 is the fifth gneration right??
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DSMer was just saying there aren't third gen eclipses because he thinks (as do many) that the third gen isn't worthy of the eclipse name.
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Old 02-17-2005, 07:30 AM   #19
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I thought there wasnt a third gen eclipse.

And in honda engines, there are generations too... b16a2 is the second generation and b18c5 is the fifth gneration right??

Engine don't have generations. They are assigned model numbers an phsyical characteristics. Mains, bolts, heads, etc...

A new generation is simply a change in overall body style of a car. The level of the change is dependant upon what the automakers choose to do. But generally small things like headlights won't differentiate a generation. The engine could stay the same but the body style has to change in order for it to be considered a new generation.

There is no 3rd generation eclipse .
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Old 02-17-2005, 01:36 PM   #20
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I'd say..

there is a third generation Eclipse.... but no 3rd generation DSM... since the vehicle went away from its roots completely. However it is still a Mitsubishi made machine, and they still claim it is an Eclipse, and there are similarities to the older generations. However I agree with DSMer to say that the Eclipse of these days is nothing short of pitiful as I don't like the body, they went to a 6 cylinder engine, and have in many other ways destroyed the DSM namesake. A crying shame.
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Old 02-17-2005, 08:21 PM   #21
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yeah, the 3rd gen really changed. Now Mitsu's trying to incorporate the 2nd gen look into the 4th gen Eclipse ... Since they moved it to the Gallant platform, everything has been downhill. I really wished that they brought back the turbo AWD ... and im trying to look for a GSX.
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Old 02-19-2005, 12:41 AM   #22
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Does DSM mean mitsubishi cars? or engines?
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Old 02-19-2005, 03:15 AM   #23
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Does DSM mean mitsubishi cars? or engines?

It means Diamond Star Motorsports. It was a combination of Mitsubishi and Chrysler back in 1989. I'm not as sure to the affiliation of Mitsubishi and Chrysler at this time, but I beleive they have disbanded.
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I'm not as sure to the affiliation of Mitsubishi and Chrysler at
this time, but I beleive they have disbanded.

Which is why the eclipse went downhill...

I think the closest thing to DSM in mitsus lineup now is the Evo; all wheel drive, turbo charged 4g63.
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I think the closest thing to DSM in mitsus lineup now is the Evo; all wheel drive, turbo charged 4g63.

Oh yea!! Those are sweeeeeeeet!
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Which is why the eclipse went downhill...

I think the closest thing to DSM in mitsus lineup now is the Evo; all wheel drive, turbo charged 4g63.

That does'nt make much sense. The Evo, while created arround the time of the of the DSM era was never affiliated with Chrysler. It was always soley created by the Mitsubishi Racing corperation of Mitsubishi. An Evo is far from a DSM. The only thing between them are the engines. The AWD drivetrain and transmission on the Evo and DSM are completly different.

The Evo remains under the MR company and I don't forsee the DSM ever coming back again. The original design was scrapped, the drivetrain and engine will most likley never be offered in an Eclipse again. Not that the V6 was bad, its just that Mitsubishi was'nt able to do what Nissan did with the VQ platform.

The 4G63T is a great engine but just like the SR20 and RB25/26 all good things must come to an end for a better engine to take its place.
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Yea, I know that the EVO isn't DSM, im saying its the CLOSEST thing to DSM out there right now.
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The EVO is a pretty sweet car though. I compared the EVO specs with other sports cars and found that the EVO is pretty good for a 4 banger. I heard there was a 700+HP EVO
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The EVO is a pretty sweet car though. I compared the EVO specs with other sports cars and found that the EVO is pretty good for a 4 banger. I heard there was a 700+HP EVO

EvoBoy owns a 1200HP Evo. Google him you'll see his 8 second beast.
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u should get a 2g 95 awd dsm... if u need tips to make it fast around 10 seconds ask me.. im not the smartest but i do kno 2g eclipses
2g 95 eclipse/talon awd tsi (the 95 edition is the closest to the 1g u jus might need to change the throttle body and a few parts..)
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