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Old 06-18-2004, 03:24 PM   #16
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Well the warenty denial isnt new, In the 70's people used buy/hire shelby mustangs and take them racing and ford wondered why they got so many sent back for about 6 months until they found that they could find 25% of the cars at a meet every weekend!

There's a serious difference between denying all coverage of all the car (including features that couldn't be affected by performance driving) for AUTOCROSSING use (for even ENTERING an event) and denying warranty coverage on a broken part after racing on a road race track, wheel to wheel, at high speeds.

Sorry, autocrossing is a low speed event (usually under 60 mph) one car at a time against the clock. Generally little more stress is put on the car than performance street driving will. Which is why most manufacturers not only don't have a problem with it, but many actually SPONSOR it. Dodge, Porsche, GM, BMW, VW, Ford, Mazda, etc, all have cars that are specifically designed to do well out there, and have no problem warrantying their cars.

If Mitsu feels their ultimate supercar is so weak that autocross use is "abuse" that will break every part of the car, then they seriously need to get out of the performance car business.

And giving away an SCCA membershipo, and then denying any warranty claim to the people who take them up on the offer is just sad. Shame on Subaru for it.
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Old 06-18-2004, 03:56 PM   #17
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There's a serious difference between denying all coverage of all the car (including features that couldn't be affected by performance driving) for AUTOCROSSING use (for even ENTERING an event) and denying warranty coverage on a broken part after racing on a road race track, wheel to wheel, at high speeds.

Sorry, autocrossing is a low speed event (usually under 60 mph) one car at a time against the clock. Generally little more stress is put on the car than performance street driving will. Which is why most manufacturers not only don't have a problem with it, but many actually SPONSOR it. Dodge, Porsche, GM, BMW, VW, Ford, Mazda, etc, all have cars that are specifically designed to do well out there, and have no problem warrantying their cars.

If Mitsu feels their ultimate supercar is so weak that autocross use is "abuse" that will break every part of the car, then they seriously need to get out of the performance car business.

And giving away an SCCA membershipo, and then denying any warranty claim to the people who take them up on the offer is just sad. Shame on Subaru for it.


So how could they pick and chose, i dont agree with it but its dificult to implement a discriminatroy stratergy.
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Old 06-18-2004, 05:40 PM   #18
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So how could they pick and chose, i dont agree with it but its dificult to implement a discriminatroy stratergy.


Easy, just like any other company does it: if the damage was actually CAUSED by the event, then deny the claim. Even then, many don't care. I have yet to see Dodge (who is a business partner of mitsubishi, for crying out loud!) deny warranty work for stock SRT-4s and Neon ACRs that are autocrossed. But saying "we won't cover your power window regulator because you were entered in an SCCA autocross" is retarded.

If your clutch burned out doing cluch dump type launches repeatedly, no warranty coverage. If your coolant temp sender goes out, they really need to prove that doing 40 mph around a few cones is what killed it. And if it IS what killed it, people ought to know that their performance car breaks rather easily if you use any of the supposed performance.
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Old 06-22-2004, 08:29 PM   #19
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Yes we have as a matter of fact cause I started that thread I do believe. As a matter or response to everything that has been said to this point, I agree with Chris. The GTO was about putting power into a modest looking car. There was nothing "new" aobut it back in th 60s so the fact that there is nothing "new" aobut them now doesn't seem to make sense. "but I just dont think that it really lives up to the GTO name" i just don't understand this comment Steveo
Gregg, mostly I asked cuz I dont really know much about Domestics past wat I learn in magazines because I never post in this board... just wanted to see wat those that really like domestics think of this newcomer. Sorry if I made anyone mad or anything, but I was just asking.
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Old 07-02-2004, 05:25 AM   #20
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GM finally delivered to the US a product enthusiasts have been asking for for a while: a cleanly styled (not overly coated with cladding) coupe, with room for 4 adults, well built and styled interior, a powerful engine, and sorted, good handling RWD chassis with IRS, for less money than the European coupes of similar power outputs. And now kids complain that it isn't a stickered up Judge with huge hood scoops.
I don't think we were asking for it to wear the legendary GTO badge. If Pontiac or any other GM company built a Holden Monaro under a different name, it might sell a little better... although its just my opinion. The new GTO is just a little too flashy and doesn't show many muscular straight lines that are symbols of the GTO's era. All I'm saying is that Pontiac could've done better by building a brand new GTO instead of basing off of some car in Australia.
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Old 07-02-2004, 07:05 AM   #21
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didnt we already have this convo, whats the problem with importing cars, means they turn out cheaper at your local dealership becuase the R&D are spread over more units etc.

Is probibly a nice car, i wil try and get a test drive next week when i go to PA.
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Old 07-04-2004, 10:30 PM   #22
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I like the new GTO
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Old 07-05-2004, 05:49 PM   #23
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I'm assuming no one has heard of the Lingenfelter Goat. It's a modified GTO, and makes 450 hp and 395 ft/lbs of torque. It costs $50,000.

I was going to say the exact same thing. And the difference between it and the Corvette aren't much. A 2004 Corvette Z06 runs 0-60 in around 4.0- 4.3 seconds at an MSRP of $52,985, which doesn't include tax, title, and freight costs. Motor Trend just did a test of the Lingenfelter GTO and clocked it at 4.3 seconds to 60. Same price, same times, and there isn't a GTO on every corner. Dare to be different, folks.
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Old 07-06-2004, 03:58 PM   #24
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I don't think we were asking for it to wear the legendary GTO badge. If Pontiac or any other GM company built a Holden Monaro under a different name, it might sell a little better... although its just my opinion. The new GTO is just a little too flashy and doesn't show many muscular straight lines that are symbols of the GTO's era. All I'm saying is that Pontiac could've done better by building a brand new GTO instead of basing off of some car in Australia.

Interesting. You're the first one on ANY car board I've been on that says the new GTO is "too flashy." Everywhere else, people call it too plain and not flashy enought to be a GTO.

And the '68-up GTOs used curved lines. the '72-73's were slow, big cars based on the Grand Le Mans, and the '74 GTOs were a sticker package on the Pontac Ventura. And by saying "basing it of of some car in Australia" you obviously know little of the modern car manufacturing world or of the reality of the Holdan and Ford offereings in Australia. Aussies have the muscleccars that the US did away with, and basing a new US musclecar off of the true ancestors of old US musclecars is an absolutely SMART business move. It gives us the kinds of cars we've been asking for (cleanly styled, high quality, V8 powered RWD coupes) very quickly and economically, and cars that, unlike the last 3 versions of the GTO, are finally NOT embarassments ot the name. The new ones are better performers in every category: speed, handling, braking, quality, ergonomics, emissions, crash safety.

That is exactly what we (the automotive community) have been asking for for YEARS.

Now if Ford would get off their ass and bring us the Aussie Falcon, we'd have a great musclecar era again (to go with the GTO and the Chrysler Hemi cars...)
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I just wanted to know the opinion(s) of those that are really into Domestic Cars on the new GTO. I personally think that GM just ripped off Holden, but I want to know what other people think about it.
Now I will admit that it is a beast. (V8 and all) And it has so pretty "interesting" styling, but I just dont think that it really lives up to the GTO name.
Tell me wat yall think! Thanks!

I think GM is trying to put itself out of business with the way it's treating it's line of cars. The GTO to me is a big joke by GM. It's not a muscle car. It's not even an American car (the car is a Holden Monaro with a changed gas tank). The GTO is slow and heavy. The only thing they have going with it is the interior (which is probably helped out alot by the Australian influence and NOT by GM) and the handling (which again is attributed to the Aussie platform and not GM). GM stuffs the 350hp Ls1 in there like they've had in the C5 for 7 years and its slow due to it's 3700lb curb weight. High 13s with the 6spd manual and low 14s with the automatic. Let's see here. For $33k I can get a four door Evo MR which runs high 12s, handles as good if not better than a Z06 and is obviously much cheaper on insurance. Also the Evo is an exclusive car. The new GTO is just an Australian Clone. Nope, don't like it.
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Me likey!

I have sat in and seen the GTO several times, and my boyfriend drove one this weekend saying it was incredible. Wicked fast and very fun to drive. Possibly a next car for us!
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Now if Ford would get off their ass and bring us the Aussie Falcon, we'd have a great musclecar era again (to go with the GTO and the Chrysler Hemi cars...)



I STRONGLY agree with you there. The Ford Falcon FPV F6 XR-6T Typhoon is an absolute beast, and only has a 4 liter engine.
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I STRONGLY agree with you there. The Ford Falcon FPV F6 XR-6T Typhoon is an absolute beast, and only has a 4 liter engine.

I don't think the XR6 and XR8 would sell good over here. While they are kick ass cars. They cost too much to compete. USD on a XR6 last I read was in the upper part of $30k and XR8 was well into the $40k region. Sorry, but who would buy a $45k Ford?
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Old 07-07-2004, 03:38 PM   #29
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I think GM is trying to put itself out of business with the way it's treating it's line of cars. The GTO to me is a big joke by GM. It's not a muscle car. It's not even an American car (the car is a Holden Monaro with a changed gas tank). The GTO is slow and heavy. The only thing they have going with it is the interior (which is probably helped out alot by the Australian influence and NOT by GM) and the handling (which again is attributed to the Aussie platform and not GM). GM stuffs the 350hp Ls1 in there like they've had in the C5 for 7 years and its slow due to it's 3700lb curb weight. High 13s with the 6spd manual and low 14s with the automatic. Let's see here. For $33k I can get a four door Evo MR which runs high 12s, handles as good if not better than a Z06 and is obviously much cheaper on insurance. Also the Evo is an exclusive car. The new GTO is just an Australian Clone. Nope, don't like it.

The 4 door Evo has a boy racer image, a crappy warranty if you ever try to use it as a performance car, has low quality build, and is not a comfortable cruiser. The GTO is all of those things, and is faster than any GTO ever made. it outperforms every PREVIOUS GTO in accelleration, top speed, handling, comfort, fuel mileage, emissions, and build quality.

The GTO at 3700 lbs weighs about what a late '60s musclecar did. But doesn't have to be stripped down, noisy, and rattly to do it.

It just shows how little you know of musclecars if you think a 13 second quarter mile is slow. it used to take a big block with suspension designed for straight line accelleration to do that. Now a supposedly low power small block is doing it in a car that handles much better.

BTW, a Holden IS a GM product. It isn't some separate comapny that GM is partnering with, so saying that it's interior doesn't have GM influence is silly. That said, Australia is the home for the modern musclecar. When GM and Ford had to quit making them in the US for insurance reasons, they kept making them in Australia. thay are as much musclecars as any domestic version running around the US in the '60s.

But way to be closed minded. Gotta love it whne supposed automotive enthuisiasts find reasons to put down cars specifically built for automotive enthusiasts.
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I don't think the XR6 and XR8 would sell good over here. While they are kick ass cars. They cost too much to compete. USD on a XR6 last I read was in the upper part of $30k and XR8 was well into the $40k region. Sorry, but who would buy a $45k Ford?


If I had the money, I would buy the XR-6T Typhoon in a heartbeat. I'm not sure how much Skyline GST V-Spec (or whatever it is) costs, but I'm sure it's well over $30,000 as well.
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