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Old 05-11-2004, 09:00 AM   #196
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Well its the best we have to work with. Its a bit like a ford mondeo.

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Old 05-17-2004, 02:27 AM   #197
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guyz u gotta check out the fiero
v6 with room for a v8
import styling
and plenty of $ left for mods
but im still behind american muscle
cuz i dont give a care about JAP CRAP
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I may just be stupid, but (I did look it up on google and if it is what that brought up it looks like cr*p), or if it is not:
WHAT THE H*LL IS A FIERO?
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I may just be stupid, but (I did look it up on google and if it is what that brought up it looks like cr*p), or if it is not:
WHAT THE H*LL IS A FIERO?

a Fiero was Pontiac's attempt at making a mid-engined car. it was a POS because their engines would catch on fire until the later models, but only about one year of the good models were produced until they discontinued the line. here's a pic.

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a Fiero was Pontiac's attempt at making a mid-engined car. it was a POS because their engines would catch on fire until the later models, but only about one year of the good models were produced until they discontinued the line. here's a pic.

The pic didnt come up for me... but from your description the POS pics of POS Cars off google where Fieros... Thanks!
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Old 05-20-2004, 03:27 AM   #201
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The pic didnt come up for me... but from your description the POS pics of POS Cars off google where Fieros... Thanks!

How old are you? You must've come out in the 80's...
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How old are you? You must've come out in the 80's...
Old enough to realize that car is a POS... Midengine... cant be good in a American...
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Old enough to realize that car is a POS... Midengine... cant be good in a American...

Fieros have been the basis for a number of great race cars, and of course, make excellent basis for kit cars, due to the removeable bodypanels.



There are a couple companies making V8 conversion kits for them, as well as supercharger and turbo kits for the V6. The only bad ones were the first year ('84) cars, as the transmissions were bad, the fuel system tended to rupture and cause fires, and the manufacturing had not perfected the body panels.

The cars were supposed to be sports cars, the way the opriginal project planners and engineers envisioned, but GM upper management didn't want another sports car to compete with the Corvette. So the project planners regrouped, grabbed basic parts bin stuff, and sold it to management as an economical commuter car. After they got it in production, then they could go about turniong it back into a sports car/GT. They changed the engine, transmission, suspension, and body styling. The GTs were decent cars, with a lot of potential. And the Formula versions were excellent mid engine GTs right out of the box.

But they got a bad rap from the first cars, and never were allowed to rise above that. Which makes them cheap cars to buy, and easy cars to upgrade.

The Fiero was engineered very similarly to every other inexpensive mid engine car on teh market, from teh X1/9 to the MR2: an existing FWD sedan was used to get the entire drivetrain from, moved to the back, then simple fromt suspension was used. In the case of the Fiero, the front suspension was simple struts, originally sourced from the Chevette (which was based on a European Opel). The MR2 used struts from the Corolla, and the X1/9 used bits from the Fiat 128. The Fiero got some Lotus tuning later in it's product cycle, and everything done to them could be backdated, or even better aftermarket parts could be used.

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True story. My dads friend had a fiero, loved the car, had kept it for over 10 years before the engine went. They were decent cars for their day and age.
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Take ya'lls word for it... IMO they look pretty bad....
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Take ya'lls word for it... IMO they look pretty bad....
so did almost everything in the 80s
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Take ya'lls word for it... IMO they look pretty bad....

A lot of respectable people say the same thing about WRXs.

True enthusaists aren't so shallow.
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True, true.... sorry, but this is what I am like..

True Gregg about the 80s...
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Old 05-22-2004, 03:33 AM   #209
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Not everything looked rubish in the 80's....some Japanese cars looked quite desirable...IMHO, although, at the time they obviously looked cool too...not that I remember though lol

Anyways, I've reluctantly decided to close this topic, and I'm still not sure I'm doing the right thing....It just seems to me that the point has been made, numerous times, and the stats speak for themselves in that both Muscle cars and Japanese imports are equal, both offering pros and both offering cons. This thread is also getting far too long, and lets face it, it's just going to either go 'round in circles or it's gonna become full of crap....like 25% of it already is lol. If anyone disagrees, feel free to PM me

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