Originally Posted by jedimario
OK Chris, calm down, if they think that a PT Cruiser is ugly, what's wrong with that? It's his opinion.
Jesus, why not actually respnd to MY questions rather than just bitch about me giving MY opinion? Hmm?
If I came on here and said "all 4 cyl cars are slow and rusty, like my old Rabbit L" and someone pointed out a drag racing VW Bug, or a turbo DSM, would I be looked upon as intelligent or worth listening to if I said, "I don't care what the facts are or who likes them, it's my opinion that they are all slow and rusty."
If I came on here and said it's my opinion, "all blacks are lazy theives who don't bathe" AND backed it up with the fact that I had a black roommate that never bathed, never held a job, and stole money, clothes, and CDs from the other roommates, would that opinion be looked on as acceptable, or even laudable? it is, after all, merely opinion. Would you say, "he's not racist, it's merely how he feels" to someone that complained about that opinion? Even if it was insulting and racist, why would anyone be offended or complain about someone on an internet message board that said that? Is it that internet message boards don't have real people on them?
Even positive opinions can make the person voicing them look stupid: "I love Skylines becasue their V8s are so powerful."
This thread was designed
to be insulting as it was specifically asked to be negative.
. It's not like saying, "what's your favorite color." or like asking, "what's your opinion on the best way to get around a corner." And the particular question is asked by someone without the experience to make an informed judgement. It has nothing to do with having a different opinion, but an INFORMED opinion. And it has nothing to do with VOICING an opinion, but everything to do with people deciding whether or not FORMING an uninformed opinion is more important that thinking about the subject and maybe learning about the subject.
Whether or not he's insulting you, that's what he thinks. If you can't stand some kid on the internet thinking your car is ugly, then you need some help. If you can stand, leave him alone, he's not doing anything to you. And about classic cars not being able to be ugly, I happen to think that Marylin Monroe and Britny Spears are two of the ugliest girl I've ever seen, why can't people think that the Kharmann Ghia and PT are?
Again, do internet message boards not have real people on them? Would you walk up to someone on the street and say, "man, your baby is ugly
? Would you walk up to a man on the street and say, "I don't like women who look like yor wife. It's my opinion that she's ugly." Are you saying they shouldn't be offended by what some random person says to them? Would YOU be offended if someone said that about your wife/girlfriend? I daresay that someone that said it to you in person would find themselves with a mouthful of fist, and rightfully so.
Also, not alot of people know about cars from companies such as Citroen(sp?) and other companies, but they can still have an opinion as to what they think is the ugliest car is. And they're mad if they think it's the PT, it doesn't look THAT bad.
Again, I asked what is their basis of reference. The point was to see if they had any actual knowledge. Are you seriously suggesting that having no knowledge means that someone SHOULD be listened to? Should we start taking mechanical advice from people who know nothing? You want to go tell Hobo that we don't need his expertise in the repairs section because forming an opinion on what might be wrong, based on no knowledge, is actually just as important as his expert advice based on training and years of experience?? Is that what you're saying? Where do you cross the line from listening to peopel who dont' know anything to actually wanting people to use their f*cking brains?
ok, here's the deal:
Opinions are learned. If people want to have their opinion valued, they need to show that they can think about them. Otherwise, why even bother POSTING it? This is a forum for yes, expressing opinions. But why is it ok for him to express HIS, but I can't express one IN RETURN? Hmm? You have never answered that. If it's ok for him to say that's how HE feels, why can't I say how I feel? It's hypocritical of you to say he can state anything he wants, but *I* can't. I don't say he CAN'T state it, I ask people to reason WHY they say things.
I have, however expressed the thought and reasoning behind MY opinion. There's more to having
an opinion than merely STATING it.
beauty is in the eye of the beholder is that beauty is a learned response. We think that even knowing the beauty of the female form is innate, not learned, but that's not true, either. Otherwise the image of beauty would not have changed over the years, or in different cultures.
And since cars are unnatural objects, we derive their beauty often from an understanding of what they do. Think about cars we consider attractive that range from say, a '34 Ford highboy to an Audi R8, from a Ferrari Dino to a BMW M3. None of them are remotely the same, yet, all are considered attractive. Why? Learned
If you can't voice your learned responses intelligently, why should I or anyone listen to the opinion you've formed BASED on that, especially when that opinion is designed from the start to be negative and insulting?