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Old 04-11-2005, 04:17 AM   #46
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i would hope you tossed the gears too. you would never want to put a new chain on old gears, it's better to leave the old chain on if that's the case rock-star.

The gears are fine. You don't have to replace the gears. The gears don't take as much of a beating as 2 feet of chain. Only if the gears had any wear showing on them would I replace them, which they don't.
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Old 04-11-2005, 05:18 AM   #47
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Nows when I break out the pictures of the 3.1 I'm re-building.

A) No it doesn't, refer to pictures of intake

B) First off, you remove the head to clean it off, man, I like how you claim to know so much, yet, don't realize something as simple as the head has to be removed to clean it, not to mention placing a head-gasket on the block. How would you place a head-gask on the block without removing the head?

I won't even comment on the intake gasket for you should know that they're made of a very stiff composite if you've ever taken one apart before.

C) You scrape off the intake with a razor blade before putting any silicone on it. Do you not realize that silicone won't stick to oil? Guess not.

Wow.. look at all the pins in the intake.


A) look at the HEAD.. see the little tiny holes over the middle ports and under the outboard ports? those are where the PINS go. now look at your intake gasket. see the little white things that correspond w/ amazing accuracy to the aforementioned little tiny holes? those are PINS. unless you make your own gaskets from cereal boxes or something.

B) when the hell did i say HEAD gasket? reading is fun--learn it.

as for your non-comment about intake gaskets, they are a stiff composite that gets brittle after being heated and cooled repeatedly.

C) you must have really dainty hands and a small razor if you're scraping all the old gasket material off WITH THE INTAKE STILL ON!!! oh no, i bet you have fiber optic technology and microtools. that's how you do it, right? btw, the timing ears and the chain form a matching wear pattern over time, so to avoid premature failure of the chain or gears, you SHOULD replace them at the same time (if you're doing it properly) but for a "Harry's Half-Ass Rebuilds" job, you can write that book. you're doing a fine job of it already.
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Old 04-11-2005, 05:24 AM   #48
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is it not more common for the intake gaskets to go on the 3.1's than the head gaskets anyways? so if you are doing the head gaskets you better be replacing those too.
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is it not more common for the intake gaskets to go on the 3.1's than the head gaskets anyways? so if you are doing the head gaskets you better be replacing those too.

generally, i would have to say yes. but a lot of "coolant in oil" situations are diagnosed as head gaskets, when the intake gasket is the culprit. shops using the recommended procedures will take the intake off to remove that head, so both gaskets get replaced, and if the person diagnosing it goofed, the customer is none the wiser, because now it's fixed. i've had more people come in that had a shop tell them their head gasket was bad and it was the intake gasket than you could shake an '83 Vette starter at...
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so how did you ever make out with that sunbird that isn't a v6 anyways stresstime
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so how did you ever make out with that sunbird that isn't a v6 anyways stresstime

did we ever determine whether it was a 4 cyl. or whether she just had a terminology issue?
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88 grandprix seems to be the only one with a terminology, i think it is the 4 banger (quad 4 is it? or is that pre-era?)
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88 grandprix seems to be the only one with a terminology, i think it is the 4 banger (quad 4 is it? or is that pre-era?)

not necessarily pre-era, quad 4's were around at least all thru the 90's and into the 2000's as 2.3L (earlier) and 2.4L's (newer) if the sunbird is a 4 cyl., though, it would be a 2.0 ohc. nice corvair, btw
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thanks, pretty snazzy firebird!
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thanks, pretty snazzy firebird!

thanx, the tops came off this weekend for the first time this year... yay!
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haha no kidding, i'm from new york state, you?
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haha no kidding, i'm from new york state, you?

nw indiana, out in the cornfields... i'll catch ya l8ter, gotta get up 4 work in 5 hrs. sleep well, and have wonderful dreams of gaskets & chains
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