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Old 03-29-2005, 03:26 AM   #1
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Haha okay i have a really stupid question but i'm just curious to know, what all would you have to do to lets say a 1995 Honda Civic in order to make it a rear wheel drive with a small block V8? Lol. Would it cost alot even if you knew what you were doing and could do everything yourself and make your own brackets and what not that you needed. Can it even be done? I'm not saying anyone would really do it and i really dont think it'd be worth it but i'm just wondering what it'd take to do, and also wouldnt it surprise you if you went to race someone in one and its actually the back wheels that spin lol. Sorry if the question is too stupid to be answered. It'd still be kinda cool to own one, it'd be a definate ONE-OF-A-KIND i would think. LOL.
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Old 03-29-2005, 07:51 AM   #2
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Haha okay i have a really stupid question but i'm just curious to know, what all would you have to do to lets say a 1995 Honda Civic in order to make it a rear wheel drive with a small block V8? Lol. Would it cost alot even if you knew what you were doing and could do everything yourself and make your own brackets and what not that you needed. Can it even be done? I'm not saying anyone would really do it and i really dont think it'd be worth it but i'm just wondering what it'd take to do, and also wouldnt it surprise you if you went to race someone in one and its actually the back wheels that spin lol. Sorry if the question is too stupid to be answered. It'd still be kinda cool to own one, it'd be a definate ONE-OF-A-KIND i would think. LOL.


Well, first off, you'd need no life. Second, you'd need an entirely new engine compartement because I doubt that motor would fit in there. Third, new frame. Fourth, you'd have strip out all of the interior and make a tunnel for the drive-shaft, then figure out what to do with the exhaust. Fifth, you'd need a new rear-end. Sixth, you'd need an entirely new steering assembly since they won't be getting any power anymore. seventh, you have to solve all the other minute problems that are involved with a project like that.

Would cost you hardly anything if you knew everything that you were doing, probably only about 2 grand if you get it all from a wrecker, but if it's possible? Doubt it. And the work involved would be astonishing.

And when all's said and done, you have a 2500lb paper weight.
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Old 03-29-2005, 03:01 PM   #3
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......And when all's said and done, you have a 2500lb paper weight.

I on the other hand love to encourage these kinds of projects.

Sure it can be done. Damn near anything can be done if you have the dedication to stick with it. I think 88GrandPrixSE may be pretty close on the price though assuming you don't have to rebuild the motor or trans. They are also right on all the work that needs to be done. It is not going to be a simple project by any means.

But hey, if they can take a Metro and turn it into this.... (taken from the GM Heritage center) then you can do the same with your Civi.
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I on the other hand love to encourage these kinds of projects.

Sure it can be done. Damn near anything can be done if you have the dedication to stick with it. I think 88GrandPrixSE may be pretty close on the price though assuming you don't have to rebuild the motor or trans. They are also right on all the work that needs to be done. It is not going to be a simple project by any means.

But hey, if they can take a Metro and turn it into this.... (taken from the GM Heritage center) then you can do the same with your Civi.

I agree. projects like this are what hot rodding is all about.

i wanted to take a '93-94 Civic Coupe and drop in a 9000 rpm Chevy DZ302 V8 driving the rear wheels, just for fun. Love the body shape, and think that getting a pushrod engine that turns higher rpm than the little stock VTEC 4 cyls would be fun to torment ricers with. It could definitely be done cheaply. Street rodders buit new floors in rusted out '20's and '30s cars all the time.

Hell, my buddy built a mid engine Civic in his garage...

And of course, there's the $1800 twin engine Sciroco: http://www.durocco.com

We need more people thinking outside the box like this, not fewer.
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Old 03-30-2005, 04:58 AM   #5
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Well thanx for your advice. I dont know why i thought of it, i just like custom things and thinking differently then others when it comes to certain things. I would so love to do it and have some people to help with it, i like to be different whenever possible and this is definately a way to be different. Thanx for the support and thoughts that it CAN be done and at a relatively low cost lol. It seems like the only thing of the original Honda that would be left if the body and interior and everything else would have work done to it or of been changed. It'd take a while but i think it'd be worth the time. Dont know how many people would be interested if it were to ever go up for sale tho lol.
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Well thanx for your advice. I dont know why i thought of it, i just like custom things and thinking differently then others when it comes to certain things. I would so love to do it and have some people to help with it, i like to be different whenever possible and this is definately a way to be different. Thanx for the support and thoughts that it CAN be done and at a relatively low cost lol. It seems like the only thing of the original Honda that would be left if the body and interior and everything else would have work done to it or of been changed. It'd take a while but i think it'd be worth the time. Dont know how many people would be interested if it were to ever go up for sale tho lol.

You'd need a new interior too, carpet and seats. Tunnel for the drive-shaft......
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You'd need a new interior too, carpet and seats. Tunnel for the drive-shaft......

Youy could easily re-use the seats. You could split the carpet down the tunnel and cover it with a raised center consol out of fiberglass for cheap. And the tunnel is just sheetmetal. $50 at most.

Seriously, dude. You need to see car fabrication in action by the guys that do it for cheap. it's not that hard. Did you look at how cheap that Durocco was built?
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It'd take a while but i think it'd be worth the time. Dont know how many people would be interested if it were to ever go up for sale tho lol.


Don't ever go into something like this thinking it will sell well, or make money on. Do it for fun. I mean, you might actually make money on it if you get the parts cheap enoguh, and do a quality job on fabricating (i.e. if you could build the car for under $2k, and sell it for $2500-3500, which is entirely possible) but you really can't go into it thinking of that.

Your own labor is ALWAYS free, as you're using your feww time to do it (instead of, say, watching The Simpsons. If it doesn't take you away from a paying job, then that time woudn't have made you money ANYHOW, so you can't consider it a cost, or get money back for it).
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I agree and i thought that the Durocco was pretty cool and cheap also. I wouldn't really want to do it with the intention to sell cause it would be pretty much a one and only model and after putting time and effort into it and actually having a finished product to show off then it gives you something to be proud of. One more question though, would the car look anything like stock still (with minor changes appearance wise)? I'd love to do it but i dont think i could or atleast not until i learn more about metal fabrication and maybe find someone to help and teach me. I know nothings IMPOSSIBLE as long as you have the time/money and patience to do it and stay with it. I like to be different sometimes and this would be a really good way to do it.
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I agree. projects like this are what hot rodding is all about.

i wanted to take a '93-94 Civic Coupe and drop in a 9000 rpm Chevy DZ302 V8 driving the rear wheels, just for fun. Love the body shape, and think that getting a pushrod engine that turns higher rpm than the little stock VTEC 4 cyls would be fun to torment ricers with. It could definitely be done cheaply. Street rodders buit new floors in rusted out '20's and '30s cars all the time.

Hell, my buddy built a mid engine Civic in his garage...

And of course, there's the $1800 twin engine Sciroco: http://www.durocco.com

We need more people thinking outside the box like this, not fewer.

Could'nt agree with you more ChrisV. Unthinkable projects should be encouraged upon. However, I feel that such a project as converting a Civic into a V8 should be tackled by people more experienced such as yourself. I mean this is'nt a weekend job by somone short of a degree and or several decades of experience, although anything is possible with the right motivation.

The idea is very good. Most people should start with simpler tasks such as building their own exhaust, turbo systems, intercooler piping, headers, etc... Wich is basicly where I started in a local garage welding various metals.

A V8 civic is'nt as farfetched as it may sound. I don't even think the fram would need to be rebuilt. I've seen Cavaliers with big block V8's in them. If they can be fitted with a V8 I know for sure a Civic can be fitted with a V8, somone just has'nt been willing enough to try it yet...
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..... One more question though, would the car look anything like stock still (with minor changes appearance wise)? I'd love to do it but i dont think i could or atleast not until i learn more about metal fabrication and maybe find someone to help and teach me....:

I would bet that Civi would look pretty stock. The only difference may be the front hood depending on how far down you could fit the V8. Oh, and I suppose the tunnel going down the center of the interior would be another visual clue. Otherwise, she would be pretty stock looking.
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I would bet that Civi would look pretty stock. The only difference may be the front hood depending on how far down you could fit the V8. Oh, and I suppose the tunnel going down the center of the interior would be another visual clue. Otherwise, she would be pretty stock looking.

The center tunnel wouldn't be too big. I've already seen a 4 door Civic with a V6 driving the rear wheels on e-bay, and it looked pretty clean.

Basically, teh thing to do is start measuring things, finding a Civic at a salvage yeard that has teh engine removed.

If you HAVE the Civic, then go find a scrap engine of the type you want to drop in. though the Fords are small and light, the distributor being in front limits how sloped the hood can be. But, it should still fit in there at least as good as it did in my RX7. And since kits are available to bolt a 5.0 into a Focus, I'd say you probably wouldn't have much problem. In fact, in teh focus, only the forward bit of the trans tunnel has to be redone slightly for the trans bellhousing, and teh stock interior bits go back in. I'd be willing to bet you could do much the same with the Civic.





I hung the engine in the compartment and measured where the mounts needed to be, then fabbed them out of scrap metal. If you don't know how to weld, have someone who does do it for you. Not the place to learn welding.

For the Civic, the hard part will be building the rear end. A suggestion would be to find a salvage RX7 like mine, or 300 ZX, or the like, and cut out the whole rear subframe and weld it into the Civic. I know a guy who did that using a Supra subframe and metalwork and welded it under a '65 Mustang...

Another choice is the entire Miata rear end, as it hangs from it's own separate frame. Then you'd only have to make reinforcements for the mount areas. Of course, the Focus V8 conversion uses a live axle and coil springs, which is also relatively simple.

The prime requirement is to measure 3 or more times before even making the first cut or weld, and drawing up the parts with measurements on them.
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Okay well the engine i was thinking maybe a 350 small block (cause i already have one) or maybe a 5.7L (318) Chrysler engine. Which do you think would be easier to mount? Would you actually have to change the whole rear end frame? The interior part doesnt sound bad seeing as how it would be mostly stock looking. I havent gotten the car itself yet cause i wanted to see if it was even possible to do first.
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Okay well the engine i was thinking maybe a 350 small block (cause i already have one) or maybe a 5.7L (318) Chrysler engine. Which do you think would be easier to mount? Would you actually have to change the whole rear end frame? The interior part doesnt sound bad seeing as how it would be mostly stock looking. I havent gotten the car itself yet cause i wanted to see if it was even possible to do first.

Use the Chevy. It's shorter than the Chrysler (btw, the 318 isn't 5.7 liters. The 350 is 5.7 liters.). You can also buy universal street rod engine mounts for teh Chevy, as well as adapt a trans cheaper and easier. And aftermarket aluminum heads and intake are cheaper, reducing engine weight.

And about the rear, yes. In the front, there IS a fairly strong subframe engineered into the unibody. But the rer carries a rear axle that's pretty light duty, so there isn't much reinforcement. You'd have to reinforce it and make a framework thta was designed to hold a real rear differential and suspension.

Something I thought would be cool would be to set up a framework to hold the Porsche 944 rear suspension and 5 speed transaxle, and use the available adapters to hook the Chevy V8 to the 944's clutch setup and torque tube (there are already kits to put the Chevy in a 924/944). That would move the transmission weight to the back, and reduce the center tunnel size, while improving f/r weight balance. Picking up a wrecked 944 can be done for under a couple hundred bucks, and you might even be able to adapt the front suspension, giving you Porsche brakes all around...

You could end up with a pretty frickin' cool and unique car when done, without spending a whole lot of money.
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.....Something I thought would be cool would be to set up a framework to hold the Porsche 944 rear suspension and 5 speed transaxle, and use the available adapters to hook the Chevy V8 to the 944's clutch setup and torque tube (there are already kits to put the Chevy in a 924/944). That would move the transmission weight to the back, and reduce the center tunnel size, while improving f/r weight balance. Picking up a wrecked 944 can be done for under a couple hundred bucks, and you might even be able to adapt the front suspension, giving you Porsche brakes all around....

Excellent suggestion for the rear transaxle setup.
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