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Old 01-15-2004, 03:26 AM   #31
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to tell you the truth, Mr. Horespower, I think it is you, but whatever. i still have yet to really like the new viper - i preferred the good old days.
he he, SJ, your 16, what good old days do you mean? :P

I don't think Vipers came out before 1990 so he was 3 or 4 then.
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to tell you the truth, Mr. Horespower, I think it is you, but whatever. i still have yet to really like the new viper - i preferred the good old days.
he he, SJ, your 16, what good old days do you mean? :P

I don't think Vipers came out before 1990 so he was 3 or 4 then.

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to tell you the truth, Mr. Horespower, I think it is you, but whatever. i still have yet to really like the new viper - i preferred the good old days.
he he, SJ, your 16, what good old days do you mean? :P

I don't think Vipers came out before 1990 so he was 3 or 4 then.

Some little kids 2,3,4 can have a hellava memory

Dude, we have the same post count! well, mine's 100 posts more.
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to tell you the truth, Mr. Horespower, I think it is you, but whatever. i still have yet to really like the new viper - i preferred the good old days.
he he, SJ, your 16, what good old days do you mean? :P

I don't think Vipers came out before 1990 so he was 3 or 4 then.

Some little kids 2,3,4 can have a hellava memory

Dude, we have the same post count! well, mine's 100 posts more.

Ha, I really don't pay attention to that. I'm on this site for fun and try to retain some of the good shit thrown out
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now THATS the right attitude

and i mean the good old days as in the older design....and i will never forget my ride in my dads friend's RT/10....amazing. 8O
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*sigh*
i guess i gotta do it...

see that?
know what it is? an early '60s Cobra
know who originally created it?
Carroll Shelby

see that?
know who was the mastermind behind it?
Carroll Shelby

i'll spare us all the pic of the last one in this series
know what it was modeled after?
here's a hint, see the first two pics in this series
know who had a strong influence in it's designing?
Carroll Shelby

besides, it's like hobo said, there's only so much you can do with a two seater, especially one that is modelled after something that came out 30 years before the Viper
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Satty101 - and as for them post-poning the unveiling of the concept for "a few months"
no, i doubt they could have, unless they could convince all the various auto shows that it was going to be shown at to re-schedule, and much as i like Ford, i don't think they have that much power
did you ever wonder why you always see new cars at this time of the year?
Ummm, no. That's not exactly how it happened. Carrol Shelby may have influenced the design of the Viper by building the Cobra 30 years earlier, but he was in no way the mastermind behind it.

And yes I'm fully aware of the RT/10 CS model. That was built to commemerate the fact that he drove a Viper pace car for the 1991 Indy 500.
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*sigh*
i guess i gotta do it...

see that?
know what it is? an early '60s Cobra
know who originally created it?
Carroll Shelby

see that?
know who was the mastermind behind it?
Carroll Shelby

i'll spare us all the pic of the last one in this series
know what it was modeled after?
here's a hint, see the first two pics in this series
know who had a strong influence in it's designing?
Carroll Shelby

besides, it's like hobo said, there's only so much you can do with a two seater, especially one that is modelled after something that came out 30 years before the Viper
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Satty101 - and as for them post-poning the unveiling of the concept for "a few months"
no, i doubt they could have, unless they could convince all the various auto shows that it was going to be shown at to re-schedule, and much as i like Ford, i don't think they have that much power
did you ever wonder why you always see new cars at this time of the year?
Ummm, no. That's not exactly how it happened. Carrol Shelby may have influenced the design of the Viper by building the Cobra 30 years earlier, but he was in no way the mastermind behind it.

And yes I'm fully aware of the RT/10 CS model. That was built to commemerate the fact that he drove a Viper pace car for the 1991 Indy 500.

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Ummm, no. That's not exactly how it happened. Carrol Shelby may have influenced the design of the Viper by building the Cobra 30 years earlier, but he was in no way the mastermind behind it.

And yes I'm fully aware of the RT/10 CS model. That was built to commemerate the fact that he drove a Viper pace car for the 1991 Indy 500.

?!?!?!?!?

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1987 - Shelby envisions and begins prototype work on a Dodge sports car which later becomes the "Viper."

April 1988 - Shelby sues Ford for using GT350 for its '84 Anniversary Mustang.

1989 - Shelby produces the Cobra 427 S/C Completion Cars. Shelby builds the first Viper chassis prototype.

January 1989 - The Viper is first shown at the
Detroit Automobile Show. Shelby is there

from Shelby's own site

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Ummm, no. That's not exactly how it happened. Carrol Shelby may have influenced the design of the Viper by building the Cobra 30 years earlier, but he was in no way the mastermind behind it.

And yes I'm fully aware of the RT/10 CS model. That was built to commemerate the fact that he drove a Viper pace car for the 1991 Indy 500.

?!?!?!?!?

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1987 - Shelby envisions and begins prototype work on a Dodge sports car which later becomes the "Viper."

April 1988 - Shelby sues Ford for using GT350 for its '84 Anniversary Mustang.

1989 - Shelby produces the Cobra 427 S/C Completion Cars. Shelby builds the first Viper chassis prototype.

January 1989 - The Viper is first shown at the
Detroit Automobile Show. Shelby is there

from Shelby's own site

??
Okay, perhaps I'm guilty of minimizing his part but has certainly not the mastermind. The "Dodge sports car" that he built was closer to an old Cobra than a Viper (it had a 360 and a live rear axle). It was that car however that made Dodge say that's a cool idea, but the Viper was designed completely in house.

Shelby American was in fact commisioned to build the first prototype chassis but it was a Dodge design, and I honestly don't think Ol' Shel got his hands dirty on it. So my only real beef is with the word "mastermind".

On the subject of going to "Shelby's own site", was it not you a day or two ago that showed just how unreliable that can be for getting information? Think about semi-forged pistons.
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ok, i edited mastermind

what i was trying to show was that going to a random site that popped up on google and had the info i wanted and saying "look, the manufacturer did this" and calling it fact

maybe what i did was read between the lines that weren't there? oh well, we're all guilty of it at one time or another
if i read the correct info, wasn't one of the prototypes a V8 though?

but you'll agree that my original point still stands, right? the Cobra concept wasn't built to look like the Viper, the Cobra concept was built to look like the Cobra
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ok, i edited mastermind

what i was trying to show was that going to a random site that popped up on google and had the info i wanted and saying "look, the manufacturer did this" and calling it fact

maybe what i did was read between the lines that weren't there? oh well, we're all guilty of it at one time or another
if i read the correct info, wasn't one of the prototypes a V8 though?

but you'll agree that my original point still stands, right? the Cobra concept wasn't built to look like the Viper, the Cobra concept was built to look like the Cobra

Yeah, everything is built to look like a Cobra. I mean look at it, it just says bad ass.

Yes the prototype was a V8 as I previously stated.
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no, i meant one of Dodge's prototypes, not Shelby's
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no, i meant one of Dodge's prototypes, not Shelby's
Yes, there was at least one prototype with 360 and also at least one with an iron block V-10. I don't think any had (or needed) fart cannons or underbody neon.
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